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Shimrra Jamaane posted:This all abruptly ended when Lucas himself jumped in and said that there is no in between and every force user is either a patron saint or Hitler. Not so coincidentally this is exactly when the EU took a nose dive in every single discernible way. And I thought of Dooku too as a perfect example. I'd characterize the Sith master/apprentice relationship as the master basically using the apprentice as a tool to stroke his own ego and gain more power. But the more powerful they become, the more reckless. Eventually they become so sure of themselves that they slip up and let their guard down. Dooku is just an example of an apprentice who didn't figure it out in time.
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Shimrra Jamaane posted:This all abruptly ended when Lucas himself jumped in and said that there is no in between and every force user is either a patron saint or Hitler. Not so coincidentally this is exactly when the EU took a nose dive in every single discernible way. So, unsurprisingly, Lucas is a sith. "Only a sith deals in absolutes" - Obi-Wan, RotS
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Aug 18, 2011 04:26
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Jigoku San posted:So, unsurprisingly, Lucas is a sith. I'm sure this is hella treaded ground...But isn't that an absolute? 
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Aug 18, 2011 04:28
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"Do or Do Not, there is No Try." Wait...
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Aug 18, 2011 05:59
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Amrosorma posted:I'm sure this is hella treaded ground...But isn't that an absolute? Only "A" Sith. The whole of the Jedi Council can follow an absolute and what he said was true. From a certain point of view... Moral of the story, ambiguity gives you a way out. (And Obi is a dirty liar who wanted Luke to be knee deep in his philosophy before introducing him to his biological father for fear Luke would listen to that guy instead)
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Aug 18, 2011 06:04
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Bombadilillo posted:Only "A" Sith. The whole of the Jedi Council can follow an absolute and what he said was true. From a certain point of view... "But from my point of view, the Jedi are evil!" Case in point, free thought and opinion = evil Makes perfect sense in Lucasworld.
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Aug 18, 2011 06:11
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ECBoots posted:"But from my point of view, the Jedi are evil!" George went to the video game school of morality, the best perks are reserved for the super good/evil. This is opposed to the D&D where you can be neutral and temperament is separate (chaotic/lawful). All kidding aside, in Georges defense the EU was getting kind of wacky with its interpretation of the force and making arbitrary rules like "you can use dark powers, you just age a bit..." So I can't fault him for wanting to put a stop to that malarkey.
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Aug 18, 2011 06:16
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Bombadilillo posted:George went to the video game school of morality, the best perks are reserved for the super good/evil. This is opposed to the D&D where you can be neutral and temperament is separate (chaotic/lawful). This is due to that loving travesty of a series, the Dark Nest. I can't think of a single good thing to come from that abomination. Besides, my Jedi exile zapped motherfuckers all day long and didn't age. 
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Aug 18, 2011 06:20
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Bombadilillo posted:Only "A" Sith. The whole of the Jedi Council can follow an absolute and what he said was true. From a certain point of view... No Homers Club. But you let in Homer Glumplich. It says no Homer"s", we're allowed to have one.
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Aug 18, 2011 06:22
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Emotions are a bit less restricted for jedis in the post-ROTJ EU though, what with Luke and Mara getting married.
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Aug 18, 2011 08:24
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Der Luftwaffle posted:Gary Jedi bullshit aside, that's pretty much what Jolee tries to teach you throughout the game. This makes me wish there was a Jedi named Gary. And I gave up on the novels around the time Han qualified for Medicaid. How old are the big three these days? It makes me think that the assassination attempt that finally gets Luke won't be a sexy Sith Assassin chick or a bunch of droids made out of the 18th lightsaber proof material. Someone's just gonna unplug his bathroom phone and take the nonslip daisies out of his space shower.
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Aug 18, 2011 08:27
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Razorwired posted:space shower. Sonic shower
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Aug 18, 2011 09:18
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l33t b4c0n posted:
Luke was pretty passionate about his friends and family and saving people and poo poo. He also hosed over over it but it was also what gave him strength and made him a better Jedi than any of those Council douches. quote:All kidding aside, in Georges defense the EU was getting kind of wacky with its interpretation of the force and making arbitrary rules like "you can use dark powers, you just age a bit..." So I can't fault him for wanting to put a stop to that malarkey. Yeah, we poo poo on Lucas a lot but he's the only one stopping the EU from turning into a complete fantasy novel series. Right now it's only mostly a fantasy novel series. I like to think of the Dark side like crack or angel dust. It's extremely destructive and there is no such thing as being a recreational crack user. Or in this case, an in-betweenie. quote:This all abruptly ended when Lucas himself jumped in and said that there is no in between and every force user is either a patron saint or Hitler. Not so coincidentally this is exactly when the EU took a nose dive in every single discernible way. And the in-between stuff just produces  stuff like the benevolent Sith business man. Without Lucas putting his foot down we probably would have gotten a novel where Luke runs into a cult of domesticated Sith who live in the suburbs who are respected doctors, business men, and lawyers.
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Aug 18, 2011 11:06
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WhyteRyce posted:And the in-between stuff just produces I'd read it. "Clear!" *unleashes lightning from finger tips*
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Aug 18, 2011 12:16
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Bombadilillo posted:All kidding aside, in Georges defense the EU was getting kind of wacky with its interpretation of the force and making arbitrary rules like "you can use dark powers, you just age a bit..." So I can't fault him for wanting to put a stop to that malarkey. Well, to be honest the OT seemed to support that a tiny bit. My favorite explanation for what the Emperor really is to this day remains "creepy old fucker who looks like he does because he uses the Dark Side so much". In that context I don't find it unreasonable to assume that, when you use the Dark Side, you start to look like him a little bit more. But I guess he's just a normal guy from Naboo who got disfigured by his own Force lightning.
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Aug 18, 2011 12:25
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BonHair posted:Sonic shower I always wondered if the people of Tatooine lived under crazy water rationing, Dune-style, but I guess this takes care of some of the daily water usage.
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Aug 18, 2011 13:42
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Razorwired posted:And I gave up on the novels around the time Han qualified for Medicaid. How old are the big three these days? It makes me think that the assassination attempt that finally gets Luke won't be a sexy Sith Assassin chick or a bunch of droids made out of the 18th lightsaber proof material. Someone's just gonna unplug his bathroom phone and take the nonslip daisies out of his space shower. I have to admit, this is one of the reasons I like the new Legacy comics so much- we don't have to keep up with Skywalker/Solo family drama, a whole new cast of characters (so I don't have to see an 80-year old Luke backflipping over Sith ninjas), but with all the Star Wars bits I know and love.
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Aug 18, 2011 13:55
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CommissarMega posted:I have to admit, this is one of the reasons I like the new Legacy comics so much- we don't have to keep up with Skywalker/Solo family drama, a whole new cast of characters (so I don't have to see an 80-year old Luke backflipping over Sith ninjas), but with all the Star Wars bits I know and love. Yoda flipped all over the place and he was like 8...00!!!!
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Aug 18, 2011 15:27
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CommissarMega posted:I have to admit, this is one of the reasons I like the new Legacy comics so much- we don't have to keep up with Skywalker/Solo family drama, a whole new cast of characters (so I don't have to see an 80-year old Luke backflipping over Sith ninjas), but with all the Star Wars bits I know and love. Instead you can have a 20-year-old Luke Skywalker clone with long hair and EDGE backflipping over Sith ninjas. I don't see the improvement. And for people attributing Lucas for "saving" the EU from whatever, reminder: Force ~*~*~*Cthulhu*~*~*~.
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Aug 18, 2011 16:32
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Legacy knew it was a comic book. It was over-the-top and occasionally dumb, but the first 30 or so issues were good. They just couldn't figure out how to end it. I really wish they hadn't canned KOTOR. The TOR tie-ins that replaced it suck. Has anyone kept up with Knight Errant?
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Aug 18, 2011 16:41
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arioch posted:Instead you can have a 20-year-old Luke Skywalker clone with long hair and EDGE backflipping over Sith ninjas. I don't see the improvement. Well theres a lot of retarded things in the EU, Can't George get props for stopping one of them? Obviously theres more to complain about.
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Aug 18, 2011 17:05
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Bombadilillo posted:Well theres a lot of retarded things in the EU, Can't George get props for stopping one of them? Obviously theres more to complain about. My point is everything that was retarded to begin with is still chugging along. And somehow got more retarded along the way.
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arioch posted:My point is everything that was retarded to begin with is still chugging along. And somehow got more retarded along the way. Yeah, I guess if went from Force Ambiguity to Force Extreme Polarity.
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Aug 18, 2011 18:11
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WhyteRyce posted:Without Lucas putting his foot down we probably would have gotten a novel where Luke runs into a cult of domesticated Sith who live in the suburbs who are respected doctors, business men, and lawyers. (Stares menacingly at dandelions growing along the back edge of the garage) "Now, witness the firepower of this fully armed and operational weed-whacker!" (Activates weed-whacker, cuts down dandelions) "POWER! UNLIMITED POWER!"
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Powered Descent posted:(Stares menacingly at dandelions growing along the back edge of the garage) "Now, witness the firepower of this fully armed and operational weed-whacker!" (Activates weed-whacker, cuts down dandelions) "POWER! UNLIMITED POWER!" The power to sculpt a lawn is insignificant next to the power of the Home Owners Association.
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Aug 18, 2011 19:09
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Darth Vader: Don't underestimate the Force. Governor Tarkin: The Neighborhood Watch are extinct, their fire has gone out of the subdivision. You, my friend, are all that's left of their religion.
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Aug 18, 2011 19:30
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Lightsaber armor guy except the lightsabers are kitchen utensils. Can prepare multiple batches of brownies for the Dark Side Academy bake sale simultaneously.
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Aug 18, 2011 19:59
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Letting your kid drive a speeder bike for the first time, secretly using the force to make sure he doesn't drive into any trees/flower arrangements.
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Big Mean Jerk posted:Legacy knew it was a comic book. It was over-the-top and occasionally dumb, but the first 30 or so issues were good. They just couldn't figure out how to end it. I finished the first story arc but didn't bother with any more. The cartoonish evil Sith lords who all think they're gods and command vast slave armies got old by the second issue.
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Admiral Goodenough posted:Letting your kid drive a speeder bike for the first time, secretly using the force to make sure he doesn't drive into any trees/flower arrangements. Shedding a single tear as he goes to the Sith Academy for his first day of training. Jedi say emotion leads to the dark side, well if crying for your son is wrong...I don't want to be right Master Yoda. I don't.
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Aug 18, 2011 20:59
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The attack by rock-throwing children on dirtbikes has left me scarred, and deformed. But I assure you, my lawn has never been greener! Therefore, this street shall be re-organized into...THE FIRST GALACTIC HOMEOWNER'S ASSOCIATION! For a safe, and secure, society!
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Holy poo poo, reading "The Courtship of Princess Leia" and getting the impression the author doesn't think much of women. Like, at all. -After going steady with Han Solo for more than a decade she dumps him for some prince guy after spending less than a day with him -Han Solo responds by KIDNAPPING HER and locking her in the Millenium Falcon's smuggling compartment -There is a race of people where the women control the men and pretend to be smarter and and and Dave Wolverton has some issues I guess? This is so terrible haha
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Haledjian posted:Holy poo poo, reading "The Courtship of Princess Leia" and getting the impression the author doesn't think much of women. Like, at all. Yeah pretty much. My junior high English teacher saw that I was reading a book by Dave Wolverton and said "oh that Dave Wolverton" so I guess she knew what was up. Even then I kind of realized there was something really wrong.
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Haledjian posted:Holy poo poo, reading "The Courtship of Princess Leia" and getting the impression the author doesn't think much of women. Like, at all. When I borrowed this book from the library in 5th grade there was a perfectly squished cockroach between two of the pages. I remember thinking what kind of nerdy slobs Star Wars fans must be. Then I wiped my cheeto-stained fingers on my cargo shorts.
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Jerk McJerkface posted:I understand what you are going for here, but still the engine is near the center of mass of the plane. Look at the tail, it's offset as well to couteract the differences of lift. Also, if you look at it you'll see the one side wing (cockpit side) is longer than the other, so the plane is still balanced around the thrust vector. Not defending the silliness of the outrider at all, the ship really is extremely lopsided and indeed uninspired as you said. To further compound the problem it's got the aerodynamics of a brick and that lovely gap between the cockpit access area and.. whatever the hell the rear one is. I'd
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Jedi Knight Luigi posted:When I borrowed this book from the library in 5th grade there was a perfectly squished cockroach between two of the pages. I remember thinking what kind of nerdy slobs Star Wars fans must be. This is us. We're all the cargo shorts fat guy.
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Aug 19, 2011 07:31
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omgLerkHat! posted:To further compound the problem it's got the aerodynamics of a brick and that lovely gap between the cockpit access area and.. whatever the hell the rear one is. I'd Not like the Millennium Falcon, which is nice and symmetrical, and has totally realistic aerodynamics.  (But I agree, the Outrider is way lopsided and ends up looking a bit silly.)
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Aug 19, 2011 07:51
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Discussing the aerodynamics of Star Wars spacecraft is pointless. If Star Destroyers can enter a planet's atmosphere and keep themselves in the air seemingly effortlessly then anything is possible. And if there is a human with sufficient power to pull one of these craft out of stable flight aqnd into the ground then you've just kicked physics in the balls hard enough to break your own foot.
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Bene Elim posted:Discussing the aerodynamics of Star Wars spacecraft is pointless. If Star Destroyers can enter a planet's atmosphere and keep themselves in the air seemingly effortlessly then anything is possible. Star Destroyers can't enter a planet's atmosphere.
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Shimrra Jamaane posted:Star Destroyers can't enter a planet's atmosphere. They could in the prequels. Of course, we've decided that the prequels aren't goon canon.
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