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Super Jay Mann posted:Given Italy's already-united status, will they be given impetus to become a colonial power ala Castille, England, Portgual, etc? Or are they going to zero in on the Pope only? They're definitely a potential colonial power.
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Munin posted:Well, Visby was a major trading center for a long time. It isn't totally implausible. Yeah, but Visby's position as a trading center was purely because at the time, ships had to stop there for repairs and resupply before continuing to other baltic trade ports. After the invention of better ships that could do the voyage in a single trip, Visby became redundant. Wiz fucked around with this message at 00:29 on Aug 20, 2011 |
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I think Thessalonika, Nicaea and Bulgaria should have a mission to annex what's left of the Byzantine Empire. That would place them at odds with each other and the Italian juggernaut. Sounds cool. Also another cool conflict: some sort of mechanics to decide which one of those Greek states + the Russian states is going to be the Patriarchy of the Orthodox faith.
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Aug 20, 2011 00:21
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In DW the Italian Minors have a habit of doing well in the colonial game without any pressure to do so through ideas or missions.
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Aug 20, 2011 00:22
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Also please tell me you have the ability to fix Japan because seriously Paradox what the hell.
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Aug 20, 2011 00:24
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Who rules Iceland? And seconding a strong Zimbabwe empire.
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Aug 20, 2011 00:25
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Deceitful Penguin posted:Who rules Iceland? Iceland has been an independent republic all game long.
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Aug 20, 2011 00:26
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Super Jay Mann posted:Also please tell me you have the ability to fix Japan because seriously Paradox what the hell. I like staying as a Shogun controlling all of Japan while cursing the Catholic Church for not trying to convert me so I could go on a Crusade through China.
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Aug 20, 2011 00:27
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What is that Dutch Order enclave in the Baltics? Leftover Templars or something?
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Aug 20, 2011 00:29
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ManifunkDestiny posted:What is that Dutch Order enclave in the Baltics? Leftover Templars or something? Frisia went on a crusade and conquered the area pretty much.
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ManifunkDestiny posted:What is that Dutch Order enclave in the Baltics? Leftover Templars or something? Frisia went on a little crusade there and eventually released the Teutonic Order, so I'm turning the whole thing into the Dutch Order. Estonia is also a Dutch holding.
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Aug 20, 2011 00:30
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Will there be a reunification of the unknown legacy, or are they considered forever lost? I think this has been an amazing LP so far and even though I have zero understanding for the game mechanics it has still been really well-written and interesting, I applaud you for being able to deliver updates of such high quality consistently.
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Aug 20, 2011 00:32
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Thirding Greater Zimbabwe.
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Aug 20, 2011 00:32
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Andalusia should have a CoT for sure. Make it on Granada or Andalusia (the province). This means Castille will start without a CoT of their own so they will trade through Lisbon. This is going to strenghten both Andalusia and Portugal. Which makes me think Andalusia should have incentive to colonise and compete with Portugal and Castille for the Americas.
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Aug 20, 2011 00:32
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theblastizard posted:I like staying as a Shogun controlling all of Japan while cursing the Catholic Church for not trying to convert me so I could go on a Crusade through China. I love how there's little impetus for you to ever unify Japan at all once you become shogun because you can just declare war on everyone at will and take whatever land you wanted and there isn't a drat thing anyone can do about it after the fact. But no seriously, I hope Japan's gameplay is made sane again.
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Aug 20, 2011 00:36
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Wouldn't "Batavian Order" sound better than "Dutch Order"?
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NihilCredo posted:Wouldn't "Batavian Order" sound better than "Dutch Order"? Yeah, that's a good idea.
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So, what differences do we have from OTL and how did they come about? England never made much progress into France, despite the lack of any unified opposition, nor did it manage to subdue Wales OK, so the Aragonese dynasty which replaced the Angevins was much less competent than the Plantagenets were. If they didn't have much in the way of external opposition, there must have been substantial internal opposition instead. The Plantagenets spent most of the OTL 13th century defeating internal dissent in one way or another, whether through concession or open battle depending on the monarch and the situation, and then were able to go on the offensive in the 14th century. Let's say our Aragonese never quite managed it - they lacked Plantagenet bloody-mindedness and skill at arms, so they never quite brought the confrontation to a head. They're theoretically in charge but can't really rely on the enthusiastic support of much of the nobility. England has low centralisation and can be expected to resist attempts to change that. An event chain leading to an early English Civil War and a more permanent Republic could be on the cards. France is rather a mess Everyone else is talking about the Franco-German HRE. I'll leave them to it. The Islamic world is much less unified And additionally, they weren't hit nearly so hard by the Mongols as they were OTL - still pretty bad, but they had a somewhat successful reconquest which can be romanticised. Those two factors might well lead to a much more open and outward looking Islamic world than OTL, and potentially a less aggressive one, especially given the lack of European interest in crusading against Islam in the later part of CK. All of which suggests that Islamic (and, for that matter, Christian) co-tolerance is making some progress. With no unified Islamic power, Italy will dominate the Mediterranean anyway (probably - I suppose Egypt and Syria have a little to say about that, but probably not a lot), so there's less need in their few for Holy Leagues, unless, of course, the Sultans won't give them access to the markets in Damascus or Alexandria. That could go either way. Ilanin fucked around with this message at 00:49 on Aug 20, 2011 |
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Thanks for answering my questions Wiz.Wiz posted:Haven't thought of anything specifically Celtic, feel free to make suggestions. Well, I'm not gonna be able to throw potential names out there, but an impetus to unify might make sense, especially with one Irish minor holding the throne to Brittany, one being a vassal to a foreign(ish) power, and Wales being right next to England. A unification tag in addition to or beyond the scope of Ireland might make sense. If Ireland/Celtica does form, would it make sense for the Scottish to Gaelicize(Celticize?) their culture? Would it make sense for them to react against Celtic unity by Anglicizing their courts? If either or both of these are plausible for Scotland to do, maybe the religious differences may be the answer i.e. they move towards whoever they end up sharing their religion with. Is this Andalusia a kick-rear end tolerant progressive technologically-advanced Andalusia or a reactionary despotism due to the fighting for Iberia?
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Actually, what exactly were you going to do with Golden Horde? Are they still going to have all the horde modifiers and breakup events that go with it?
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Wiz posted:Hardcoded.  Patter Song posted:If Samogitia and Estonia are pagan, it could be cool. You know, since Sweden didn't get Finland until late, maybe they should still be pagan and force the Swedes into missionary work.
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Ogianres posted:Is this Andalusia a kick-rear end tolerant progressive technologically-advanced Andalusia or a reactionary despotism due to the fighting for Iberia? This Andalusia was originally a Christian Kingdom formed by a Christian Queen, who only turned Muslim because her husband happened to be a Muslim. I'm going to lean towards Andalusia being a messed-up, confused country.
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Super Jay Mann posted:Actually, what exactly were you going to do with Golden Horde? Are they still going to have all the horde modifiers and breakup events that go with it? I'm honestly not a fan of EU3's hordes, I don't use them in my regular mod. They're probably just going to be a big pagan tribe.
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Servant posted:This Andalusia was originally a Christian Kingdom formed by a Christian Queen, who only turned Muslim because her husband happened to be a Muslim. I'm going to lean towards Andalusia being a messed-up, confused country. The fact that they held together suggests a great deal of religious tolerance to me since it has a large christian minority.
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So how long are we looking at for conversion? Days? Weeks?......months? Just wondering, since it's well worth the wait, and the speculation and history chat in here makes it tolerable.
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Servant posted:This Andalusia was originally a Christian Kingdom formed by a Christian Queen, who only turned Muslim because her husband happened to be a Muslim. I'm going to lean towards Andalusia being a messed-up, confused country. This sort of thing really does speak to Christianity and Islam being a lot more tolerant of each other than they actually were OTL. I can still see Castille and Andalusia both trying to unify Spain, but that's through ruler ambition rather than religious drive. Or maybe they won't - maybe Castille and Aragon will go the other way, across the Pyrenees where there's no central authority to stop them. Maybe the Andalusians will want to knock off Morocco (we can cause Islamic schisms if we need more reasons), controlling the straits of Gibraltar which will happen to become very important a bit later on should Italy want to become a colonial power.
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ManifunkDestiny posted:So how long are we looking at for conversion? Days? Weeks?......months? Just wondering, since it's well worth the wait, and the speculation and history chat in here makes it tolerable. I'd estimate 1-2 months.
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Servant posted:This Andalusia was originally a Christian Kingdom formed by a Christian Queen, who only turned Muslim because her husband happened to be a Muslim. I'm going to lean towards Andalusia being a messed-up, confused country. A Christian Queen marrying a Muslim King sounds like something that would only happen on a quite tolerant country to me.
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Wiz posted:The fact that they held together suggests a great deal of religious tolerance to me since it has a large christian minority.
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Nakar posted:Hmmm, what's the attitude of Portugal/Castile/Aragon toward one another and Andalusia? It seems like once those four nations came out on top in Iberia the borders stabilized relatively easily. If there hasn't been a whole ton of conflict and Andalusia is fairly tolerant of its Christian minority, it almost seems like Iberia might be... you know... peaceful. They've been fighting a lot in the last few decades, just haven't amounted to much. It's worth noting that the christians have been fighting each other just as much as they have been fighting Andalusia though.
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So, what's Tamerlane been up to the last couple of years? In real history he should be kicking our Black Sheep rumps off to Egypt around now, but that appears to not have happened. Good thing too, being exiled to Egypt twice in the same LP is overkill. Is he a general (or Khan) in the Chagatai Khanate? Did he form a Timurid state but instead focus eastward? Is he just a bit late and will be swarming across Persia with a ferocious Turkmen horde? I'm guessing Wiz has Plans for him, but I like the idea that the Mongols were more successful in LP-land. Yuan China more or less successfully assimilated the Han and the extensive Ming rebellion never happened. The Yuan Khan has ambitious and questionably loyal vassal Ilkhans in Korea and Japan. Timur gets to be Khan in Chagatai, or possibly a Delhi Khanate. More Mongols will soothe our egos at having been so soundly trounced by the Ilkhanate, if nothing else. Proposition Joe posted:Also, there should be a more stable and benevolent empire in Central America to replace the Aztecs and a large, imperialist Iroquois empire stretching from Quebec to Virginia.
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Wiz posted:They've been fighting a lot in the last few decades, just haven't amounted to much. It's worth noting that the christians have been fighting each other just as much as they have been fighting Andalusia though. I like it.
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Is Italy going to get all of its universities? If so, they're going to be the Big Bad of this game I think. Italy is full of drat rich provinces already, the half a dozen universities they start with make playing regular EU3 Milan/Austria very easy.
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An alien UFO crash lands into a humble Cherokee village, assimilates the culture of the locals and, unable to get home, instead conquer most of the northern Americas and form their own country. The europeans will be in for quite a surprise when they make their way over this century! Okay, jokes aside, I'm just hoping for America to be shaken up a bit and made more interesting beyond being European cannon fodder.
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nimby posted:Is Italy going to get all of its universities? If so, they're going to be the Big Bad of this game I think. Italy is full of drat rich provinces already, the half a dozen universities they start with make playing regular EU3 Milan/Austria very easy. No, I'm going to tweak Italy a bit to make unified Italy more reasonable.
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Andalusia is probably going to ally Morocco or Algiers and it's going to be a very scary thing to Castille or other Iberian Christian nations if they find themselves unaligned. Andalusia is going to be a very fun nation to play.
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Something I said in IRC and that I'm preserving here for posterity is that Italy, with warfare already breaking out between the Neapolitan King and the Pope, is a likely centre for what became the Anglican Church in OTL, with the monarch also being head of the Church. This leads (as Saurus pointed out) to obvious grounds for religious wars as the major Catholic powers get missions to restore/preserve Papal independence against the heretic Italians.
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Wiz posted:Iceland has been an independent republic all game long. So we still have the Thing going on. Anarcho-Capitalism. Fwah.
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nimby posted:Is Italy going to get all of its universities? If so, they're going to be the Big Bad of this game I think. Italy is full of drat rich provinces already, the half a dozen universities they start with make playing regular EU3 Milan/Austria very easy.
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