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Arkane posted:Unverified reports that Lizzie Phelan was a prolific poster in LF. She was run out of there for being a moderate. A laissez faire socialist as opposed to the lumpenbourgeoise she used to be? Cable Guy fucked around with this message at 17:36 on Aug 22, 2011 |
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Brown Moses posted:It shouldn't be forgotten there's NATO "advisers" on the frontlines with the rebels, and it's clear this sudden advance was closely co-ordinated with NATO. The AJE journalists in Zliten said he had learnt from the rebels that NATO had help land around 1000 troops from Misrata by sea in Tripoli, so this has been planned for a long time. We we're arguing about this yesterday, but it's still pretty insane to me if it's accurate as reported.
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# ? Aug 22, 2011 17:37 |
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Someone yesterday asked about Khamis al-Gaddafi's brutality.http://www.arabist.net/blog/2011/8/22/an-anecdote-about-khamis-qadhafi.html posted:As I write these lines, Khamis al-Qadhafi, the most militarily-connected of Muammar al-Qadhafi's sons, is said to be leading his Khamis Brigade to the center of Tripoli in what may very well turn out to be his last stand. Khamis, the seventh and youngest son of the Brother Leader, operated discreetly at the repressive core of his father's regime for years, the military counterpart to his brother Seif's diplomatic role, tasked with protecting the family. I trust Issandr, but whether or not this story actually happened, it reflects how people in Libya viewed Khamis.
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CNN's Matthew Chance on Twitter @mchancecnnquote:Mood in #Rixos much darker than before. Everyone really worried about what's going to happen to us. Scary as hell....hopefully this has a happy ending.
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Xandu posted:Someone yesterday asked about Khamis al-Gaddafi's brutality. I like the arabist too... but if all three were supposed to have been killed and the story covered up, where did they get the story from, other than rumor?
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farraday posted:We we're arguing about this yesterday, but it's still pretty insane to me if it's accurate as reported. I saw the Misrata AJE correspondent talking about it today, that's where the 1000 rebel claim came from, the BBC also has an artcle that mentions it, and it's also a great analysis of what happened in Tripoli: quote:Analysis: Why Gaddafi's crack troops melted away
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Arkane posted:CNN's Matthew Chance on Twitter @mchancecnn It does seem like that they've basically become hostages, human shields is the rebels reach the hotel. The situation seems very bad indeed, hopefully the Gaddafi gunmen will just make a run for it.
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Here's a update from Tripoli, outside the hotel:quote:My colleague Luke Harding has sent through his latest dispatch from Tripoli where he has been talking to the inhabitants about the rebels' seizure of most of the city:
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# ? Aug 22, 2011 18:00 |
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This whole 'rout vs tactical retreat' shouldn't even be a debate in my eyes. The Col's troops aren't soldiers fighting for their homeland, for independence or other reasons that'd give an army the will to fight to the last and carry out dangerous draw-the-enemy-in maneuvers. They're people often being forced to fight for a tyrant whose legitimacy is crumbling rapidly. This isn't quite a situation to the degree of Afghanistan (one in which Doonesbury immortalized in a strip where an Afghan soldier, when asked how a battle went, replies "Chaotic. I had to switch sides five times today"), but it seems that other than the Khamis Brigade (which hopefully is severely underpowered) Col G's men are giving up or trying to blend in. Notice how his gunmen in the pics from yesterday had civilian clothing on. Al he's got left, it seems, are terror tactics. Also, the rebels better find and destroy all of Ghadaffi's horcruxes soon.
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# ? Aug 22, 2011 18:17 |
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It sounds like Mohammed Ghaddafi (Son who surrendered yesterday and who was under house arrest) escaped with the reported help of Ghaddafi loyalists.
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Can someone give me some proof/a strong case that Lizzie Phelan isn't a reliable source? Someone that I know is posting videos of her on facebook, but I don't really know enough about her to make a conclusive argument.
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# ? Aug 22, 2011 18:26 |
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thexerox123 posted:Can someone give me some proof/a strong case that Lizzie Phelan isn't a reliable source? Someone that I know is posting videos of her on facebook, but I don't really know enough about her to make a conclusive argument. Facts will likely not persuade your friend. Just ignore it and move on with your life. farraday posted:It sounds like Mohammed Ghaddafi (Son who surrendered yesterday and who was under house arrest) escaped with the reported help of Ghaddafi loyalists. ...which brings the immediate question to mind of why they held him under house arrest
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thexerox123 posted:Can someone give me some proof/a strong case that Lizzie Phelan isn't a reliable source? Someone that I know is posting videos of her on facebook, but I don't really know enough about her to make a conclusive argument. She's continually claimed Gaddafi is winning over the past 2 days despite the fact that the rebels control almost the entire capital. There's not really much proof, except to say that her views are completely out of line with reality, regardless of your political alignment. Try this maybe http://democratist.wordpress.com/2011/08/22/a-star-is-born/
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thexerox123 posted:Can someone give me some proof/a strong case that Lizzie Phelan isn't a reliable source? Someone that I know is posting videos of her on facebook, but I don't really know enough about her to make a conclusive argument. Just read her blog, it's full of bullshit, such as: Tripoli celebrates the liberation of Misratah August 16th Libya diary: Clearing up the latest media rubbish on Libya August 16th, which includes the following gems: quote:While the journalists suffering from cabin fever in Tripoli’s Rixos hotel, publish their dreams that imperialism’s lackies (the rebels/rats) have taken Zawiya, Ghuriyan and Sorman, they are ignoring a decisive moment in the crisis.
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Apparently Mohammad Gaddafi has escaped custody, and there's rumours the bodies of Khamis Gaddafi and Abdallah Senussi have been found. Also: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XTEt4ezx03Y
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Two articles worth reading about its effect on the Arab Spring. I hate when people try to generalize the whole Middle East as the same, but it's also difficult to overestimate the impact of a dictator being overthrown on the rest of region. http://www.black-iris.com/2011/08/22/libya-gains-its-freedom-and-the-arab-spring-enters-20/ quote:
http://lynch.foreignpolicy.com/posts/2011/08/22/libya_inspires_the_arabs quote:Libya lost its central place in the Arab public sphere as the war dragged on. Even if al-Jazeera continued to cover the war heavily, the agenda fragmented and darkened. Arab attention was consumed by new setbacks and stalemates, from the brutal repression in Bahrain to the incomprehensible stalemate in Yemen, to the escalating brutality in Syria. But over the last two days, Arab attention refocused on Libya. Arabs from Yemen, to Syria, to Morocco experienced Qaddafi's fall as part of their own story. And they are clearly inspired, galvanized and energized. I just quoted some excerpts, do read the whole posts. farraday posted:I like the arabist too... but if all three were supposed to have been killed and the story covered up, where did they get the story from, other than rumor? Yeah fair point, maybe his sons found out or something, but it was too good not to share. Xandu fucked around with this message at 18:45 on Aug 22, 2011 |
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Xandu posted:Try this maybe http://democratist.wordpress.com/2011/08/22/a-star-is-born/ Lizzie Phelan posted:a world where people are collectively in control of their own destinies. This makes no sense. If everyone else has a say in an individual's destiny the individual isn't in control of their own destiny, are they? If she's going to pine for a Communist utopia she really has to drop the pretense of caring about the individual.
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Brown Moses posted:Just read her blog, it's full of bullshit, such as:
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thexerox123 posted:Can someone give me some proof/a strong case that Lizzie Phelan isn't a reliable source? Someone that I know is posting videos of her on facebook, but I don't really know enough about her to make a conclusive argument. You might want to make a point about how she's only been repeating Libyan government propaganda, with zero ounce of criticality or just about anything that sane people call as journalism. She may call herself independent, but she's not impartial. Since she's only a mouthpiece, one should focus on the question of was the Libyan government a more credible source than hundreds of professional and independent reporters working all around Libya and abroad.
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Also, here voice over work sounds like Peter Griffin doing his moon person voice from Handy Quacks.
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# ? Aug 22, 2011 18:53 |
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thexerox123 posted:Can someone give me some proof/a strong case that Lizzie Phelan isn't a reliable source? Her own words.
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Arkane posted:Facts will likely not persuade your friend. Just ignore it and move on with your life. This is the opposite of good advice. Your friend is not just a cult member - she's a vector for infection. Inoculate. I second the request for a comprehensive debunking of the spinster.
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Apparently the 'how dangerous is firing bullets in the air?' question is getting asked so much that the BBC have written an article on it
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I don't remember seeing it mentioned here, but according to an update to the the Wikipedia map of control made at 11:27am Eastern, Mitiga Airport has been captured by the rebels. This would leave only the district around the Bab al-Aziziya and Rixos Hotel, and the military port area, conclusively loyalist-held.
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Slave posted:Apparently the 'how dangerous is firing bullets in the air?' question is getting asked so much that the BBC have written an article on it Mythbusters episode incoming.
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Uglycat posted:This is the opposite of good advice. Isn't Lizzie self-debunking though? In a couple of days, it will be rather clear that Gadaffi's forces have not, in fact, laid a brilliant trap and are not, in fact about to win.
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Fangz posted:Isn't Lizzie self-debunking though? In a couple of days, it will be rather clear that Gadaffi's forces have not, in fact, laid a brilliant trap and are not, in fact about to win. This is only because of the fiendish NATO's secret baby killing operations. The revolution was forced down the throats of the people by NATO and foreign Al Qaeda mercenaries.
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Here's another article from Tripoli about the reaction of the local people.
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Nenonen posted:You might want to make a point about how she's only been repeating Libyan government propaganda, with zero ounce of criticality or just about anything that sane people call as journalism. She may call herself independent, but she's not impartial. Since she's only a mouthpiece, one should focus on the question of was the Libyan government a more credible source than hundreds of professional and independent reporters working all around Libya and abroad. This was a great way to sum it up... I paraphrased this (and added that Russia Today isn't exactly known for being impartial, either), and she actually seemed to concede the point, a little.
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Nenonen posted:This is only because of the fiendish NATO's secret baby killing operations. The revolution was forced down the throats of the people by NATO and foreign Al Qaeda mercenaries. Don't forget British and French imperialism.
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octoroon posted:Don't forget British and French imperialism.
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Fangz posted:Isn't Lizzie self-debunking though? In a couple of days, it will be rather clear that Gadaffi's forces have not, in fact, laid a brilliant trap and are not, in fact about to win. Lizzie is a lot like 9/11 conpiracy theorists. The only way she could be right is if there was a massive conspiracy among the rebels, NATO, and western journalists to hide the facts, and she was the only one willing and capable of exposing it. Anyway, the NY Times has a piece on all the speculation about where Muammar may be: http://www.nytimes.com/2011/08/23/world/africa/23mystery.html?_r=2&src=tp
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thexerox123 posted:This was a great way to sum it up... I paraphrased this (and added that Russia Today isn't exactly known for being impartial, either), and she actually seemed to concede the point, a little. Nah, man. You really have to go full-Goon on this. Bash her over the head repeatedly with how ridiculous her sources are until you get a full retraction.
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octoroon posted:Mythbusters episode incoming. They already did it.
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Toplowtech posted:And drugs from al qaeda. Boatloads of laced Nescafe! quote:For the first time ever, they deemed this one busted, plausible, and confirmed. All of their tests, from the pig's head to the 9mm firing to the balloon, showed that a bullet fired perfectly straight up into the air is not lethal. However, it is also very difficult to shoot perfectly straight up into the air and, with the cases cited by Dr. Mohler, they have confirmed that people have died from bullets falling from the sky. It's all about ballistics. The less steep the ballistic arc the more velocity the bullet can retain. Zappatista fucked around with this message at 19:49 on Aug 22, 2011 |
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Taerkar posted:They already did it. Well, drat, so they did. Firing Bullets in the Air posted:For the first time ever, they deemed this one busted, plausible, and confirmed. All of their tests, from the pig's head to the 9mm firing to the balloon, showed that a bullet fired perfectly straight up into the air is not lethal. However, it is also very difficult to shoot perfectly straight up into the air and, with the cases cited by Dr. Mohler, they have confirmed that people have died from bullets falling from the sky.
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Zappatista posted:Boatloads of laced Nescafe! 45 degrees is probably the worst angle to fire a gun in celebration, because it has the farthest range at that angle and adds gravity to its velocity. Also, apparently if you fire a gun at 60 and then at 30 degrees, the bullets have a good chance to hit at the same time. The cancelled Crusader self-propelled artillery gun was built around this concept.
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How the hell is a bullet fired straight up in the air not lethal? I'm pretty sure that if a terminal velocity bullet drops straight down on the top of your head it'll go right through your weak little skull. Also 'perfectly straight in the air' is a nonsense statement anyway. e. Even humans (think skydivers) have a pretty drat high terminal velocity, bullets' will be much higher and they are more made to pierce things. Namarrgon fucked around with this message at 20:32 on Aug 22, 2011 |
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Inless happy news.quote:FromJoanne Joanne drat it, lets hope everyone is safe. Ediy// Possibly just Twitter thrash... if it is insert a joke about Lizzie Phelan being a suicide bomber. Edit// Definitely False, back to terminal bullet velocity. farraday fucked around with this message at 20:38 on Aug 22, 2011 |
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