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gleep glop posted:Need some more goon help here. Im looking to transfer NG units. I live in NJ but joined the PA guard after leaving active. My unit's armory moved so it's now a three hour drive for me and frankly isn't worth it. I'm not MOSQ in my unit yet, in a 13M in an MI company currently. The command is terrible, and it really is making me hate the guard. What can I do to possibly transfer to the NJ guard? I know I have to speak to my unit to but I have a feeling they'd try and dick me over. Aren't you on the DMD? I thought you couldn't transfer if you were locked in for deployment.
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AB posted:Aren't you on the DMD? I thought you couldn't transfer if you were locked in for deployment. I have two years stabilization from being prior active. My big problem is I can't get the MOS I want if I do this deployment.
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I knew someone who did that too. It did not turn out well. Nor did the boots in the oven, for reasons including the soles melting and the boots getting stuck to the rack.
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Sep 9, 2011 01:30
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Godholio posted:I knew someone who did that too. It did not turn out well. Nor did the boots in the oven, for reasons including the soles melting and the boots getting stuck to the rack.
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Sep 9, 2011 01:34
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gleep glop posted:Need some more goon help here. Im looking to transfer NG units. I live in NJ but joined the PA guard after leaving active. My unit's armory moved so it's now a three hour drive for me and frankly isn't worth it. I'm not MOSQ in my unit yet, in a 13M in an MI company currently. The command is terrible, and it really is making me hate the guard. What can I do to possibly transfer to the NJ guard? I know I have to speak to my unit to but I have a feeling they'd try and dick me over. Go talk to the recruiters in NJ. Tell them you want a slot. They can find them.
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Sep 9, 2011 02:16
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Do I need to schedule an appointment to see Finance or Legal at Wright-Patterson?
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gleep glop posted:I have two years stabilization from being prior active. My big problem is I can't get the MOS I want if I do this deployment. I think you said you were going to Kuwait. As a 35G, that's a waste of time. So yeah, get out of it. Find a unit that's deploying to Afghanistan. It'll pay off.
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iceslice posted:"Special Operations" covers a wide variety of jobs, from the poo poo you see on Call of Duty, pilots, EOD, all the way to support positions that are exactly the same as the regular Army. North Carolina is home of Ft. Bragg, where a large majority of Special Operations guys are trained, as well as stationed. There is no list of "Dudes who are in Special Operations" as a portion of their missions are covert/clandestine. It wouldn't make any sense. This may be anecdotal, but on active duty or off I've never met an actual Special Forces guy (SF, Ranger, SEAL, or otherwise) who brought it up. Usually it was someone else who told me. Most of those guys take a perverse pride in not letting on to what they do. Once you become part of that club you really stop giving a gently caress what other people who aren't in it think about it. Also, most of the people who make it through those kinds of programs are type-A, self-assured guys who don't feel the need to brag to pump up their sense of self worth. While not 100%, chances are if you meet someone and they quickly bring up in casual conversation that they are special forces then they probably aren't. Or they are but in a strictly supporting role, one that didn't involve the full schools/training. Back in the 80's and early 90's you could wear a Green Beret if you were merely assigned to an SF unit, for example. There were E-2 finance clerks wearing them. You had to look at their shoulder for the tab to tell if they were "real" or not. I think that's changed now, though. If you are in the 75th Ranger Regiment you wear the tan beret whether you have completed Ranger School or not, but that's different, you still have to go through RIP/RASP to get in the Regiment, and that's almost as hard, if not harder, than the school.
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Our Gay Apparel posted:I think you said you were going to Kuwait. As a 35G, that's a waste of time. So yeah, get out of it. Find a unit that's deploying to Afghanistan. It'll pay off. Kuwait yes. And there's the fun of it, they keep changing what MOS I'm going to be. I enlisted as a November just to be told there's no slot. gently caress them.
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Ixian posted:Back in the 80's and early 90's you could wear a Green Beret if you were merely assigned to an SF unit, for example. There were E-2 finance clerks wearing them. You had to look at their shoulder for the tab to tell if they were "real" or not. I think that's changed now, though. If you are in the 75th Ranger Regiment you wear the tan beret whether you have completed Ranger School or not, but that's different, you still have to go through RIP/RASP to get in the Regiment, and that's almost as hard, if not harder, than the school. You still wear your unit's beret regardless of your skills/tabs i.e. you still wear a maroon beret in an active jumping unit regardless of whether or not your airborne qualified. The same goes for SF groups, you wear the unit's beret regardless of whether or not you've gone through the Q course.
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Smoke Crack posted:You still wear your unit's beret regardless of your skills/tabs i.e. you still wear a maroon beret in an active jumping unit regardless of whether or not your airborne qualified. The same goes for SF groups, you wear the unit's beret regardless of whether or not you've gone through the Q course. SF in an exception, I know plenty of non Q guys in 3rd group who wear red berets.
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Sep 9, 2011 18:36
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gleep glop posted:SF in an exception, I know plenty of non Q guys in 3rd group who wear red berets. This. I was active from 1991-1993 with 3rd Group as a 72E/74C (Tactical Telecom/ Record Center Operator, and no I was and am not tabbed). We were issued the green beret when I was in. Right when I got out, they were starting to issue the maroon beret for the non qualified Actually if you were even attached to, say SF Command, you were issued them; 112 Signal Bn and 528th Maintenance being two that were like this.
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Helldump Immunity posted:Do I need to schedule an appointment to see Finance or Legal at Wright-Patterson? Yeah, but Finance doesn't have anything available until 2014.
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I was in the Group Support Company for 7th Group from 2001-2004 and we wore the maroon beret not the green. Apparently, they got tired of seeing pregnant admin clerks walking around in tennis shoes with the green beret rolled up on their head like a burrito.
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I work with a guy who’s been trying to enlist for an entire year. He failed his hearing test and re-test at meps which resulted in him seeing a consultant and has “mild hearing loss in the left ear”. After many, many months, he is PQD’d from joining the Air Force (doesn’t meet req. hearing level). A few weeks ago he talked to a Navy recruiter and they said, “It’s not looking good” and will let him know in a week. Meanwhile, the National Guard wants him to submit a letter saying that he is still able to function with mild hearing loss. I have worked with this guy for 3 years--ever since I left active duty Navy—and I never knew that he had hearing loss. I think he would be a great fit for the military and he'd be poo poo-hot. Would it make any difference if I try to contact his recruiting chain of command or ANYONE to let them know how I feel about the situation? I'm starting to feel like I need to step in and do something. theBird fucked around with this message at 08:02 on Sep 12, 2011 |
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I'm applying for a new job and one of the questions asks veteran status. I've been in the Missouri Army Guard for about 3.5 years and I haven't been deployed or activated for SED, so have no idea what to answer. I don't personally consider myself a "veteran" but I want to be able to answer the question properly.
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The only way that answering yes to that question can get you int rouble is if you are trying to get veteran's preference applying for a government job. Are you applying for a job in the guard? PM me if you are, I can help.
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No Butt Stuff posted:The only way that answering yes to that question can get you int rouble is if you are trying to get veteran's preference applying for a government job. Are you applying for a job in the guard? PM me if you are, I can help. Its a private security job at a local museum. Being a mall cop blows and it would be nice to work somewhere a bit more entertaining.
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I'm at my kid's football practice, and the marching band is practicing the Star Spangled Banner... over and over again! Help! What do I do?
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grover posted:I'm at my kid's football practice, and the marching band is practicing the Star Spangled Banner... over and over again! Help! What do I do? You're a civilian, soooo...
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grover posted:I'm at my kid's football practice, and the marching band is practicing the Star Spangled Banner... over and over again! Help! What do I do? Beat up the guys who don't stand. Just watch out for the ones with tasers.
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Ron Jeremy posted:Beat up the guys who don't stand. Just watch out for the ones with tasers.
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Smoke Crack posted:You still wear your unit's beret regardless of your skills/tabs i.e. you still wear a maroon beret in an active jumping unit regardless of whether or not your airborne qualified. The same goes for SF groups, you wear the unit's beret regardless of whether or not you've gone through the Q course. This was a few days ago, but I wanted to jump on with gleep glop. In this day if you wear a green beret you've graduated the Q course. No fatty preggos in tennis shoes wearing them.
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I was just wondering what the consequences of AWOLing out of the Army National Guard are. One of my buddies is getting separated for AWOL and I couldn't find any solid answers.
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ifire posted:I was just wondering what the consequences of AWOLing out of the Army National Guard are. One of my buddies is getting separated for AWOL and I couldn't find any solid answers. Article 85 Desertion Maximum punishment. (1) Completed or attempted desertion with intent to avoid hazardous duty or to shirk important service. Dishonorable discharge, forfeiture of all pay and allowances, and confinement for 5 years. (2) Other cases of completed or attempted desertion. (a) Terminated by apprehension. Dishonorable discharge, forfeiture of all pay and allowances, and confinement for 3 years. (b) Terminated otherwise. Dishonorable discharge, forfeiture of all pay and allowances, and confinement for 2 years. (3) In time of war. Death or such other punishment as a court-martial may direct. Article 86 Absence without leave Maximum punishment. (1) Failing to go to, or going from, the appointed place of duty. Confinement for 1 month and forfeiture of two-thirds pay per month for 1 month. (2) Absence from unit, organization, or other place of duty. (a) For not more than 3 days. Confinement for 1 month and forfeiture of two-thirds pay per month for 1 month. (b) For more than 3 days but not more than 30 days. Confinement for 6 months and forfeiture of two-thirds pay per month for 6months. (c) For more than 30 days. Dishonorable discharge, forfeiture of all pay and allowances, and confinement for 1 year. (d) For more than 30 days and terminated by apprehension. Dishonorable discharge, forfeiture of all pay and allowances, and confinement for 18 months. (3) From guard or watch. Confinement for 3 months and forfeiture of two-thirds pay per month for 3 months. (4) From guard or watch with intent to abandon. Bad-conduct discharge, forfeiture of all pay and allowances, and confinement for 6 months. (5) With intent to avoid maneuvers or field exercises. Bad-conduct discharge, forfeiture of all pay and allowances, and confinement for 6 months. e: Just wanted to point out that these are the maximums and he is not likely to get maxed out, however you were not very specific with your question. Smoke Crack fucked around with this message at 13:32 on Nov 3, 2011 |
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Smoke Crack posted:Article 85 They don't really do that. Guys that stop showing up to drill will eventually just get seperated OTH. Maybe if you skip out on federal activation orders they might put a warrant out or something.
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They'll put out a warrant, contact your family, contact your recruiter (for some reason people like to go back to their recruiter like he's a priest who can absolve your AWOLness), and when you turn yourself in or get arrested they send you back to your duty station until they decide how best to get rid of you. My ex-stepbrother (I think that's right) went AWOL from the Navy like 4 months after finishing basic. They got a message to him through his recruiter (I guess it works) and he turned himself in and got taken back to his boat. On the way to wherever they locked up up onboard, while under guard, he managed to pocket somebody's ipod. I think he got a dishonorable, maybe it was just "other than honorable."
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Forfeiture of 2/3 pay for a year? Holy poo poo that would blow! I only ever personally knew one guy who went AWOL. When he came back all he did was talk about how he should be an E5, and try to boss privates around because he was a "senior specialist" (while being a fuzzy). When was the last time anyone was executed for desertion? Eisenhower did it at the end of WWII correct? Or was their one in Korea?
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gleep glop posted:When was the last time anyone was executed for desertion? Eisenhower did it at the end of WWII correct? Or was their one in Korea? Eddie Slovik in WWII.
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Smoke Crack posted:Eddie Slovik in WWII. And he was the first one since the Civil War.
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Godholio posted:They'll put out a warrant, contact your family, contact your recruiter (for some reason people like to go back to their recruiter like he's a priest who can absolve your AWOLness), and when you turn yourself in or get arrested they send you back to your duty station until they decide how best to get rid of you. My ex-stepbrother (I think that's right) went AWOL from the Navy like 4 months after finishing basic. They got a message to him through his recruiter (I guess it works) and he turned himself in and got taken back to his boat. On the way to wherever they locked up up onboard, while under guard, he managed to pocket somebody's ipod. I think he got a dishonorable, maybe it was just "other than honorable." Its pretty hard to get someone on desertion anyways as you essentially have to prove they intended to never come back which is obviously a rather high bar to clear. So most likely they are going to get you on the AWOL article, not the desertion one.
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You guys are thinking way too hard about desertion in the National Guard. If you miss 9 MUTAs in a 12 month period, the commander can (and will) AWOL you out. This means you needed to be coded A or U (I believe, I haven't looked at a PERSTAT in a while and I can't get a hold of my wife to ask her right now) for those MUTAs. At that point, your unit will send a certified letter to your house. You may appeal the AWOL for... 15 days or something like that, and then they begin to process you out. Depending on the commander, you'll probably end up with an OTH discharge after the entire process takes place, and if all your OCIE wasn't in your locker (or you have a dishonest supply sergeant) you will receive a charge from the government for your gear. Bonuses get recouped, and you lose GI Bill and SLRP benefits. If you recently received a bonus payment, you may have to pay that back too. They won't lock you up, they most likely will not send out the MPs, none of that junk. After they do a bunch of paperwork, you are just gone.
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No Butt Stuff posted:You guys are thinking way too hard about desertion in the National Guard. Right on. That's a lot better info than he had been getting from the internet. (Active Duty AWOL stuff)
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No Butt Stuff posted:You guys are thinking way too hard about desertion in the National Guard. So basically you're saying I can skip two drills and nothing will happen. But then I don't get the perfect attendance ribbon...
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theBird posted:I work with a guy who’s been trying to enlist for an entire year. He failed his hearing test and re-test at meps which resulted in him seeing a consultant and has “mild hearing loss in the left ear”. After many, many months, he is PQD’d from joining the Air Force (doesn’t meet req. hearing level). A few weeks ago he talked to a Navy recruiter and they said, “It’s not looking good” and will let him know in a week. Meanwhile, the National Guard wants him to submit a letter saying that he is still able to function with mild hearing loss. I have worked with this guy for 3 years--ever since I left active duty Navy—and I never knew that he had hearing loss. I don't really know the answer to your question, but I knew a guy who was removed from our deployment due to hearing issues. They were nice to him about it, they told him he might be allowed back on as an 88M (his MOS before he became an 11C), but he really was depressed about it. He almost had 20 years in, was a staff sergeant, and was in charge of our companies mortar section. Our mortar section now only has 1 E-5 in charge of 2 Specialists and 2 Privates, so essentially we have a single team of mortarmen. Before they made the decision, he shot a 38/40 on the M4 qual. I called his name after I heard because I saw him walking by, I was going to congratulate him, and he did absolutely nothing. I guess his hearing was pretty bad, but hey, at least he could shoot. The next day we were riding in the back of an LMTV to go to chow, and it was p. cold out, so I was wearing my tactical black-leather gloves (the ones they issue in Basic), except my wife is amazing and modified the trigger finger like a pro. He looked at them and said, "You know, I was meaning to talk to you... You've always been a good soldier, but I think you should really re-consider how you have your gloves configured, I mean, when your hands are warm and your skin touches cold metal or something, it really can just wreak havoc on the nerve endings in your skin. Heh, but I guess you really want that extra control over a trigger, huh?" I told him that I don't actually have it like that because of triggers, more because I prefer to have just a finger missing than to take off the entire glove whenever I want to do something small like adjust a sight-post, access my debit card, grab something in my pocket, etc. Then he said, "Well, I guess that makes sense, but aren't you concerned about frost bite on your finger?" I showed him how, if it's really cold out, I can just wrap my fist around my pointer finger, and said that I'm rebellious and would put my hands all the way into my pockets if it were cold. He chuckled and said, "Well, I guess you got it all figured out, but the Lord told me I should talk to you about it. He's made a big impact in my life, and when I'm going through all these issues with the command, with them saying they might not deploy me, he's been a real good comfort." I just sorta said something along the lines of, "Oh, well, that's nice I guess..." He continued, "You know, the Lord and Savior Jesus Christ has a plan for all of us, they say, and if that's true, then that means all of us are really important! You should try and establish a personal relationship with him, because even though my hearing is going bad, once you know him, you can always hear him." This is not the sort of workplace conversation that I enjoy, but I don't like being rude so I sorta nodded and smiled. "Did you know that gloves made when the Earth was new were better, because they were made out of Dragon-skin?" 
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Apparently dinosaurs are dragons and he thinks that Genesis was sort of like the Flintstones.
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Question about prescription meds. My private health provider has me on Valium. Other than bringing my prescription papers to drug screenings, do I need to do anything else in terms of notifying people? They're going to find out this weekend anyways, I have an SRC.
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AB posted:Question about prescription meds. My private health provider has me on Valium. Other than bringing my prescription papers to drug screenings, do I need to do anything else in terms of notifying people? They're going to find out this weekend anyways, I have an SRC. I'm assuming you don't have anything beyond a Secret clearance, but if you have a TS and/or are read in on SCI/SAP/etc then you should probably notify someone (usually a PSM or ASM type dude).
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