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Looks like his elevator never moves from full deflection.
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That's so sad. My sister and her husband were good friends with Brad Morehouse who crashed his L-39 back in '07. On the selfish side, I was going to get a ride with him later that year after the races were through which would have been a dream come true. His wife kept saying although it's super tragic, he at least was doing exactly what he loved. However, in this case where spectators are involved, it's even more tragic.
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Sep 17, 2011 03:13
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I know some of you were wondering, so.... Strega was in first, the Galloping Ghost and Rare Bear were fighting for 2nd.
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Sep 17, 2011 03:18
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VikingSkull posted:I know some of you were wondering, so.... Strega was in first, the Galloping Ghost and Rare Bear were fighting for 2nd. Goddamnit. He had Galloping Ghost in contention with Rare Bear? It really was a beautiful airplane.
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Sep 17, 2011 03:24
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So far 3 dead, 50+ injured.
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Sep 17, 2011 03:29
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YouTube is pulling down the videos real quick.
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Sep 17, 2011 03:42
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Some guy on CNN is speculating it was caused by a high speed stall.
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Sep 17, 2011 03:43
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That's not at all what it looks like.
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Sep 17, 2011 04:11
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How many G's are these guys pulling? Could the pilot have passed out?
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Sep 17, 2011 04:19
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Peace out Reno Air Races, you were fun.
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Sep 17, 2011 04:38
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Previa_fun posted:YouTube is pulling down the videos real quick. Why would they do that? They seemed to be uploaded by the makers? Edit: Says removed by the user. Hmmm.
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Sep 17, 2011 04:48
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CNN is reporting that a show spokesman said Leeward got off a Mayday call and pulled out of the lap before the crash.
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Sep 17, 2011 05:04
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iyaayas01 posted:CNN is reporting that a show spokesman said Leeward got off a Mayday call and pulled out of the lap before the crash. http://youtu.be/qs98xkTIBQU This video is amazing. The sound of the aircraft approaching is horrendous, and this guy was really close to the crash. He didn't get the impact on camera really, but you can definitely see just how fast the plane disintegrated. There is a puff, then almost nothing.
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Jesus Christ. Click here to view the full image OptimusMatrix fucked around with this message at 06:04 on Sep 17, 2011 |
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Sep 17, 2011 06:01
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OptimusMatrix posted:Jesus Christ. oh holy poo poo  Where did you get this?
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Butt Reactor posted:oh holy poo poo Was in the gbs thread
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Sep 17, 2011 06:24
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I've always wanted to go to the Reno races. This is just awful.
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Sep 17, 2011 06:33
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I'm pretty sure the races will be back, it's a large part of Reno/Sparks, gently caress it's on our license plates and everything. Some family was there I guess, fairly close to where it happened, but they are OK. But going home.
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Sep 17, 2011 06:57
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A couple more pictures from the GBS thread:
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Sep 17, 2011 07:06
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Ugh, 50% elevator effectiveness is a very bad thing in a p-51
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Sep 17, 2011 07:37
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Jesus christ that GBS thread
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Cygni posted:Peace out Reno Air Races, you were fun. Goddamnit. The plan was to go next year. I've wanted to go all my freaking life! I really hope they make an announcement about next year soon, we'll be buying our tickets in less than a month if they're on. This sucks in so many ways, hopefully nobody else dies.
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Advent Horizon posted:Goddamnit. The plan was to go next year. I've wanted to go all my freaking life! Despite what happened today, if you're a gearhead, it's basically heaven. The noises those planes make when they go by is not only impossible to record and really capture, but it also defies description. You FEEL them go by. I really hope it's still going next year.
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fknlo posted:A couple more pictures from the GBS thread: I did some poking around regarding the elevator trim tabs on the P-51, and I found this: P-51H Flight Test Report, 1946 posted:However, at the high manifold pressures approaching 90" Hg. where water injection is necessary, the elevator trim is inadequate and it is necessary to exert excessive forward pressure on the control stick to maintain level flight. It seems as though the elevator trim in a stock P-51 isn't great at high speed and power settings. The Reno racers are likely to have been modified, but no modifications can save you if they depart the aircraft. If what I read is true, there was likely no recovery from this...the control force needed would have been hundreds of pounds.
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I would like to point out at first how bad the reporting got. First report was Rare Bear went into the crowd, with hundreds dead, then it was Rare Bear the P-51 Mustang, which made me wonder if it was VooDoo (both are brightly colored) and then finally it was the Ghost. I think I might order the Air racing plates to show my support.
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(re-post from GBS, to a forum where there might be more enlightened comments) Re: earlier comment about "airplanes lose their trim tabs all the time"... Early P-51's were delivered with cloth covered elevators (the moving surface, not the fixed horizontal stabilizer); later versions were retrofitted with metal covered elevators. Cloth covered were used to reduce the incidence of aerodynamic flutter, as they were more naturally damped. The loss of the tab could have indicated that there was a failure due to flutter. It's also possible (any others know more about this?) that this was a booster tab, used to actually drive the elevator - the control linkage moves the tab down, the elevator moves up in reaction, the plane goes up in response to that. No booster, no elevator.
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Nebakenezzer posted:Not sure if there are any Daily Show fans in this thread, but about a month ago he had an author on named Ann Jacobson who'd written a history of Area 51. I've picked it up, and I'm part way through it. It's a ripping yarn so far; right now I'm in the middle of the CIA's Oxcart program becoming operational. (I didn't realize the SR-71 was originally called the RS-71, until Lyndon Johnson accidentally transposed the letters when announcing it's existence.) That book is a crime against humanity. Well, Aviation, at any rate.
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slidebite posted:Jesus christ that GBS thread The guy who said that one wing is half the size of the other wing had to be trolling. I just...he *had* to be.
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galliumscan posted:It's also possible (any others know more about this?) that this was a booster tab, used to actually drive the elevator - the control linkage moves the tab down, the elevator moves up in reaction, the plane goes up in response to that. No booster, no elevator. I looked through the flight manuals for a P-51B and an F-51D, and didn't see any reference to the elevator being boosted. The manuals refer to the rudder and ailerons using booster tabs (which doubled as trim tabs), but the elevator is only referenced as having a trim tab for both the B and D model Mustangs.
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MrChips posted:I did some poking around regarding the elevator trim tabs on the P-51, and I found this: On another forum I read about another incident with a P-51 called Voodoo Chile, which was flown by Bob Hannah. He went into a sudden +10G climb when his trim tab failed at high speed, with him blacking out instantly. He regained consciousness at 9000 feet. With this information I think it's hard to see how the pilot's age could have been even a minor factor. RIP. Tsuru fucked around with this message at 19:10 on Sep 17, 2011 |
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Sep 17, 2011 19:04
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When did the trip tab fail, was it immediately preceding the mayday and crash?
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Slothophile posted:That picture is huge, and is that body parts riding the shockwave? I've self-banned myself from posting in GBS, but really, some people in that thread.
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And Rare Bear's engine builder passed away a couple of weeks ago at the age of 93. I hope I live long enough to see a piston driven prop airplane hit Mach 1.
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InterceptorV8 posted:That picture is huge, and is that body parts riding the shockwave? If you look for the parachute, you can see what is probably his torso and disconnected head. His legs probably are 15 feet or so in front of him.
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Tsuru posted:If I'm reading this correctly, the worst thing about this is that according to this you need your elevator trim fully down at full power... so imagine if you will, you are flying at very high speed and high power setting, with your elevator trim fully down as well as pushing on the stick to keep the nose down... and then your trim tab lets go. ...causing the elevator control forces to increase almost instantly. Since no one short of He-Man would be able to hold several hundred pounds of force, the elevator would center itself in the airflow, causing an uncontrollable pitch-up of the aircraft. Whether or not this proves to be a probable cause in this accident remains to be seen, it is certainly within the realm of possibility.
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InterceptorV8 posted:I hope I live long enough to see a piston driven prop airplane hit Mach 1. Isn't this impossible due to the decreasing efficiency of prop engines as they reach the speed of sound or does it just make it a bitch?
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slidebite posted:Jesus christ that GBS thread I really wish the news and GBS posters would understand that the plane in question wasn't a P-51. It was the Galloping Ghost, it was a high performance experimental aircraft loosely based on a P-51, and there was no other plane in the world like it at all. Too many people are questioning why they let a 70 year old plane fly without understanding that the plane was nowhere near 70 years old. Also that asymmetrical wing guy in the GBS thread was great.
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MrChips posted:...causing the elevator control forces to increase almost instantly. Since no one short of He-Man would be able to hold several hundred pounds of force, the elevator would center itself in the airflow, causing an uncontrollable pitch-up of the aircraft. Bondematt posted:Isn't this impossible due to the decreasing efficiency of prop engines as they reach the speed of sound or does it just make it a bitch? Tsuru fucked around with this message at 21:04 on Sep 17, 2011 |
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