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Policenaut
Jul 11, 2008

On the moon... they don't make Neo Kobe Pizza.

What's funny about Mafia 2 is that there's so much cut content in the game that there's actually a god drat wiki dedicated to it all (and another better formatted site with less content)

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Aphrodite
Jun 27, 2006

LA Noire had content in its open world. You just couldn't go on a GTA style rampage.

The New Vegas thing doesn't say cut content to me. Just a solid plan on where the DLC was going to fit. Better than having the locations spring up out of nowhere when you download the DLC.

Aphrodite fucked around with this message at 11:47 on Sep 30, 2011

Chairman Mao
Apr 24, 2004

The Chinese Communist Party is the core of leadership of the whole Chinese people. Without this core, the cause of socialism cannot be victorious.

Yechezkel posted:

Fallout New Vegas also had some locations in the game that had nothing important around them until the add-ons made them relevant.

Yeah but the Fallout games are ridiculously far from lacking content. It might be buggy, broken content that never really received proper testing before they shoved it out the door (New Vegas in particular) but it was there.

Policenaut posted:

What's funny about Mafia 2 is that there's so much cut content in the game that there's actually a god drat wiki dedicated to it all (and another better formatted site with less content)

Jeez, there's practically enough there to make another loving game. Cars, missions, game mechanics cut entirely.

Chairman Mao fucked around with this message at 12:53 on Sep 30, 2011

Ein Bear
Mar 26, 2010

Oh Sirrah, how deliciously absurd!
Speaking of DLC, wasn't Portal 2 supposed to have got some in September? Any news on that?

J
Jun 10, 2001

Chairman Mao posted:


Jeez, there's practically enough there to make another loving game. Cars, missions, game mechanics cut entirely.

Yep, mafia 2 pisses me off big time. It could have been a drat good game, but it was so glaringly obvious they cut out tons of content on purpose to sell as DLC later. The big, detailed world with nothing to do, and NPCs that are obvious side quest starters that tell you to come talk to them every now and then, but when you do they never actually give you a sidequest, because they hamfistedly took those out of the base game. The game was an infuriating gently caress up and one of the prime examples of DLC going shady.

ImpAtom
May 24, 2007

Chairman Mao posted:

Jeez, there's practically enough there to make another loving game. Cars, missions, game mechanics cut entirely.

It pretty much was the entire game. Mafia 2 is loving ridiculous.

Palleon
Aug 11, 2003

I've got a hot deal on a bridge to the Pegasus Galaxy!
Grimey Drawer
Instead Mafia 2 ended up as a game where the only unique game mechanic that sets it apart from the dozens of other games that do the exact same thing is that you have to obey traffic laws. Which makes the game infuriatingly unfun.

Chairman Mao
Apr 24, 2004

The Chinese Communist Party is the core of leadership of the whole Chinese people. Without this core, the cause of socialism cannot be victorious.
You're supposed to make the game good and the DLC suck, that way even though the DLC sucks you'll have enough fans that will buy it anyway because it's for a game they like. Then even if it really is bad enough, throw in some cool poo poo they can use in the main game to make up for it.

Fallout 3's Mothership Zeta and Operation Anchorage got the whole "lovely DLC" thing right.

Arcaeris
Mar 15, 2006
you feed the girls to other girls

:stare:

Chairman Mao posted:

Fallout 3's Mothership Zeta and Operation Anchorage got the whole "lovely DLC" thing right.

Chinese Stealth Armor made Anchorage worth every cent they charged for it. I mean assuming you like invisibly crawling around the wasteland on all fours.

Tuco
Jul 24, 2006

I look good too!
I can't seem to find and answer so I thought maybe someone in this thread could help.

I have been downloading Breaking Bad all season from Playstation Store. They have always been available for download like clockwork the day after the show airs. As of last night, last Sunday's Season 4 episode 11 "Crawl Space" is still not available.

Does anyone know why that might be?

blackguy32
Oct 1, 2005

Say, do you know how to do the walk?
Well apparently my Xbox live account is on ice while they investigate someone charging 4000 MS points to it. Thankfully, Dark Souls will be out soon.

bubbapook
Jan 14, 2008

Just a word of caution, Kotaku have posted a potentially MAJOR spoiler for Batman: Arkham City on their frontpage, so keep clear of that shithole for a while if you don't want any part of the story spoiled.

the truth
Dec 16, 2007

The 5th colossus is the best colossus.

SamBishop
Jan 10, 2003

the truth posted:

Nowadays devs are stripping content from the core game and selling it separately as DLC or a store-specific bonus.

Just to play devil's advocate a little, I've seen enough projects as they were being built to know that there are often (not just sometimes) bits of the game that would been on the cutting room floor and were turned into DLC later when they could be polished, balanced and tweaked outside of the normal gold master milestone. Sometimes it really just is a case of them not being able to finish something in time.

Remember, too, that like day one patches, some day one DLC (obviously the free stuff, most of the time) was content that couldn't be included in the final rev of the game, but there was enough time after submitting the gold master candidate that the studio was able to turn stuff around.

Of course, there are plenty that are trying to find a way to offset used game sales and/or are just money grubbing assholes or have corporate overlords that demand there be some content that can be sold later. That latter one sucks because it's the studio that takes the heat when really it was the publisher looking to slurp up as much money from as many avenues as possible, customer satisfaction or initial value be damned.

It sucks, but it's not always the devs' fault. Again, though, just trying to play devil's advocate a little. When it's done right, DLC is a wonderful way to add to the base game after you've finished it, but it's very, very rarely done right. Then again, it's also something that's really only come about in this generation, so it'll take a while to wash out properly.

Behonkiss posted:

Has anyone here tried out the PS3 version of Child of Eden? I'm planning to get a Kinect at some point for that and Dance Central, but I'm wondering if the Move version is just as good, since I got one of those for the LittleBigPlanet add-on.

It's been so long since I played Shadow of the Colossus, so the third one is already kicking my rear end. I can't figure out how to climb to that weak point on its stomach after jumping from its sword.

I've been slammed with doing yet another strategy guide, so I haven't had time to review our copy, but I blew through about half of the game and actually dug the Move implementation better than Kinect, though they're fundamentally the same, and very different from using a controller. I would say having the tactile feedback of the controller while still doing the same motions (actually, more, since you can just flick instead of push to fire off blasts) edges out the pure synesthasia of having no controller at all.

When you really get into the game, it's awesome, though I didn't think the music was as good as Rez. The visuals are something else, though, and like most Mizuguchi games, they fill me with a deep desire to find some psychotropic drugs and just :lsd: it up for days. If you're going to get a Kinect anyway, it can't hurt to have more games for it, but if you want to have an eyegasm now, the PS3 version will definitely do. Plus, I think it was released at $40, which is nice.

bubbapook posted:

Just a word of caution, Kotaku have posted a potentially MAJOR spoiler for Batman: Arkham City on their frontpage, so keep clear of that shithole for a while if you don't want any part of the story spoiled.

Why do you guys continue to subject yourselves to that pit of digital santorum? It's a bad place written by bad writers with no sense of decency or control and chances are you can find any of the content there somewhere else (often where they sourced their poo poo and then re-wrote for hits). Just keep clear of Kotaku period and live a happier, more productive life on principle alone.

muscles like this!
Jan 17, 2005


Policenaut posted:

Mafia 2. I'm pretty sure 2K Games intentionally took content out to sell as DLC and due to the game's sales some of it never materialized.

Yeah, Mafia 2 took out a bunch of side quest content, gave the character model a new head, claimed it was a "side story" and put it out as DLC.

THE AWESOME GHOST
Oct 21, 2005

Armor-Piercing posted:

With games that have larger and more expensive DLC, I end up either waiting for a "complete" edition or subtract the DLC cost from what I'm willing to pay for a game. I'm buying Dark Souls at launch. I bought Castlevania: Lords of Shadow for $5 on clearance, so I'm okay with eventually getting the $20 of DLC if I want it. I'm still waiting on a complete Red Dead Redemption release, and don't really want to buy the game until it happens.
Actually a lot of people do this better intentionally or not and it's a big part of the business reason behind DLC. I'd you buy it used you'll be more willing to get the DLC so they make money eventually.

bubbapook
Jan 14, 2008

SamBishop posted:

Why do you guys continue to subject yourselves to that pit of digital santorum? It's a bad place written by bad writers with no sense of decency or control and chances are you can find any of the content there somewhere else (often where they sourced their poo poo and then re-wrote for hits). Just keep clear of Kotaku period and live a happier, more productive life on principle alone.

I know man, I'm a terrible person :( I can't help it though, I trawl a load of different sites at work and those fuckers dumped a steaming turd on me at 5pm on a Friday. Cunts.

fattypigfatty
Feb 18, 2007

a walking stereotype of self-indulgence
Fun Shoe

blackguy32 posted:

Well apparently my Xbox live account is on ice while they investigate someone charging 4000 MS points to it. Thankfully, Dark Souls will be out soon.

This just happened to me too. I switched my preorder over to ps3 because of it.

EC
Jul 10, 2001

The Legend

the truth posted:

The 5th colossus is the best colossus.

...until you get to number 13. The first time you see that thing come out of the ground is a serious OH gently caress kind of moment.

Someone else mentioned it, but it definitely seems like some of the Colossi AI has been tweaked. It took me for.loving.ever to beat the 15th one because he just wouldn't stop shaking.

bbcisdabomb
Jan 15, 2008

SHEESH

SamBishop posted:

Why do you guys continue to subject yourselves to that pit of digital santorum? It's a bad place written by bad writers with no sense of decency or control and chances are you can find any of the content there somewhere else (often where they sourced their poo poo and then re-wrote for hits). Just keep clear of KotakuTotalPlayStation period and live a happier, more productive life on principle alone.

Fixed your typo there, no reason to slander one of the best websites on the internet! :v:

Ulio
Feb 17, 2011


bubbapook posted:

I know man, I'm a terrible person :( I can't help it though, I trawl a load of different sites at work and those fuckers dumped a steaming turd on me at 5pm on a Friday. Cunts.

Saw that. I would have expected something like this from IGN. They are pretty good with their headliners.

the truth
Dec 16, 2007

EC posted:

...until you get to number 13. The first time you see that thing come out of the ground is a serious OH gently caress kind of moment.

5 is a wild beast while 13 is more sedated, if I recall correctly. 5 does everything it can to gently caress you up and shake you off. But the coolest thing I've seen, and ne thing I never managed to do, was getting catapulted from 3's sword onto his head. I saw that on youtube and :aaa:.

Speaking of DLC, I'd spend as much as some of you waste on a CoD map pack for the colossi that didn't make it into the game the first time. It's disappointing that there is a big chunk of the east/right side of the map left unexplored.

the truth fucked around with this message at 19:54 on Sep 30, 2011

Chard
Aug 24, 2010




J posted:

Not sure if you were already aware by your wording, but they are doing exactly this - Red Dead Redemption GOTY edition, on Oct 11th. Has the game + all the DLC packs.

As someone who only played through the vanilla game, once, this looks incredible. Day one re-purchase.

the truth
Dec 16, 2007

Save yourself the money and just buy UDN. The rest is multiplayer, which isn't too active or fun (unless doing free roam with a small group of friends).

Shalinor
Jun 10, 2002

Can I buy you a rootbeer?

the truth posted:

5 is a wild beast while 13 is more sedated, if I recall correctly. 5 does everything it can to gently caress you up and shake you off. But the coolest thing I've seen, and ne thing I never managed to do, was getting catapulted from 3's sword onto his head. I saw that on youtube and :aaa:
As someone that had never seen this, sharing it for ease of :aaaaa:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tw9hgQfmRBw

the truth
Dec 16, 2007

If I saw a tiny person flying at me like that I would rip out my jugular and carotid.

EC
Jul 10, 2001

The Legend

the truth posted:

5 is a wild beast while 13 is more sedated, if I recall correctly. 5 does everything it can to gently caress you up and shake you off. But the coolest thing I've seen, and ne thing I never managed to do, was getting catapulted from 3's sword onto his head. I saw that on youtube and :aaa:.

Speaking of DLC, I'd spend as much as some of you waste on a CoD map pack for the colossi that didn't make it into the game the first time. It's disappointing that there is a big chunk of the east/right side of the map left unexplored.

True, but the way you have to actually get onto 13, using Agro, is just so drat awesome. I just beat 5 on Hard mode, and that dude was flipping over every few seconds it felt like. I did manage to pull off a jump from the center of his wings to his tail though, which always makes you feel like a bad rear end.

And yeah, I never really noticed that giant unexplored bit in the East until I was getting the 'save at every temple' trophy.

I want more Colossi!

Chard
Aug 24, 2010




the truth posted:

Save yourself the money and just buy UDN. The rest is multiplayer, which isn't too active or fun (unless doing free roam with a small group of friends).

I would do this, except my original disc now belongs to a hateful ex. I'd like to play the original campaign again and the sweet extras seal the deal.

ShoogaSlim
May 22, 2001

YOU ARE THE DUMBEST MEATHEAD IDIOT ON THE PLANET, STOP FUCKING POSTING



That video of Colossus 3 is amazing. I definitely have to try, and fail miserable, to leap from sword to cranium.

Also.. I just fought C3 last night and I stabbed his arm a total of 0 times and still beat him. Totally just did head and stomach.. I guess some weak spots aren't necessary?

EC
Jul 10, 2001

The Legend
3 only has the weak spot on the arm when you're playing on hard.

Speaking of, 6 on hard is a MOTHERFUCKER. Keep your drat hand still!

Chairman Mao
Apr 24, 2004

The Chinese Communist Party is the core of leadership of the whole Chinese people. Without this core, the cause of socialism cannot be victorious.

Arcaeris posted:

Chinese Stealth Armor made Anchorage worth every cent they charged for it. I mean assuming you like invisibly crawling around the wasteland on all fours.

Silent Running + this is basically cheating. So is the indestructible power armor you get.

You can get past the super mutants that guard the entrance pretty easily at a really early level since everything is just scaled down with you. Then it's simply a matter of beating the rather easy linear FPS that is OA, and you get a bunch of endgame level equipment and weapons. And automatic power armor training as soon as you hop in the pod.

ex post facho
Oct 25, 2007
So just in my opinion, but if the "beta" for BF3 is in any way indicative of the final product (less than a month from release at this point, by the way), stay far, far away from it for at least a few months until Dice fixes everything or admits that they rushed the gently caress out of the game to compete with MW3. On that note, I'm not buying MW3 either.

There's a shitload of bugs, there's a ton of gameplay and setup issues, and it just feels extremely generic and samey.

see you tomorrow
Jun 27, 2009

a shameful boehner posted:

There's a shitload of bugs, there's a ton of gameplay and setup issues, and it just feels extremely generic and samey.

Sounds like a DICE game alright!

ex post facho
Oct 25, 2007
There literally isn't a visual controller layout. At all. Good luck figuring out what changes by switching control schemes!

Kly
Aug 8, 2003

The beta is a disaster and unless dice releases a MUCH better demo for this I wont be getting it day one like I'd planned.

EC
Jul 10, 2001

The Legend

the truth posted:

5 is a wild beast while 13 is more sedated, if I recall correctly.

I know I already responded to this, but I just finished C13 on Hard after marathoning the first 12. 13 is just way, way better. ;) It's pretty loving incredible galloping your horse alongside this giant flying leviathan looking motherfucker, then jumping from the horse to it's loving wing to get on the drat thing. Then running down the thing's back and spotting your horse, still loving running down on the ground underneath you.

I forgot how much I love this game. Instead of more Colossi, they should have made a NG+ or Super Hard mode where you figure out which of the time trail items is required to take the things down. It's probably a good sign when I just find myself wanting more every time I play it.

quote:

But the coolest thing I've seen, and ne thing I never managed to do, was getting catapulted from 3's sword onto his head. I saw that on youtube and :aaa:

Yeah that's amazing! I tried that on the PS2 version when I first saw the video. I could never get it down. :(

sentrygun
Dec 29, 2009

i say~
hey start:nya-sh

Chairman Mao posted:

Silent Running + this is basically cheating. So is the indestructible power armor you get.

You can get past the super mutants that guard the entrance pretty easily at a really early level since everything is just scaled down with you. Then it's simply a matter of beating the rather easy linear FPS that is OA, and you get a bunch of endgame level equipment and weapons. And automatic power armor training as soon as you hop in the pod.

Shame it's possibly the most boring DLC (and one of the most boring games if you were to take it standalone) I've ever played in my entire life and that the equipment in there is so gamebreaking that it's just boring to use them.

All in all, Operation: Anchorage is an excellent example of how not to make a video game. Ever.

BlindNinja
Sep 2, 2004

lurking in the shadows
Battlefield 3 looks exactly like Bad Company 2 to me (which isn't a bad thing), and I guess you could compare it to the "improvements" that Call of Duty gets every year, but I'm not particularly interested in paying full-price for either game any time soon.

GreenBuckanneer
Sep 15, 2007

I just noticed that Neir only shows 720p not 1080p :(

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see you tomorrow
Jun 27, 2009

GreenBuckanneer posted:

I just noticed that Neir only shows 720p not 1080p :(

Don't the vast majority of PS3 games only run at 720p?

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