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Harman just kept up rambling poli-speak filibuster points over and over again. Dems need angry motherfuckers not "bi-partisan" careerists. Morello would have been better if they gave him more time so he didn't have to rage and hammer out all his bullet points so quickly. I think he should have gone after John Avlon as well regarding the 9-11 stuff but he seemed interested in just plugging his stuff quickly and leaving it at that. Nobody is saying the USA "Deserved" it, just that we are a global rear end in a top hat in a lot of ways as well as a viable target and we shouldn't have been surprised by it and shocked and awed that someone would attack "are" freedom.
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You mean "our" and not "are"? Panel was crap. Michael Moore especially was insufferable. I found it amusing that he basically said the same thing about Obama that Maher said previously (1:45 in) https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_Wx_IHQqkSI&t=103s http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_Wx_IHQqkSI&NR=1#t=103s
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TO UNDERAGE GYMNASTS
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Dudebro posted:You mean "our" and not "are"?  http://youropenbook.org/?q=%22are+troops%22&gender=any
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Sep 26, 2011 04:09
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yeah THIS IS "ARE" COUNTRY, MORANS!
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Old lady in the middle: "Empire...huh...wha...uhhh?" Guy to the left: "nine eleven! look....uhh i don't uhh....quite....uhh know what yer all takin bout but look muslims 9/11 never forget eagles 9/11" Idiots. If you have a specific issue with the arguments posed by the sane people on the panel that are NOT mentioned above, please share.
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Whoa, no posts in two weeks. I don't remember what happened on last week's show, but this week was decent. Alan Grayson is a really funny and knowledgeable guy. He had a great little impassioned line that got a standing ovation, and I'm pretty sure he hates P.J. O'Rourke's guts. The latter, by the way, had an immensely awkward "I need porn" moment as well as some other facepalm moments. Bill should have just let him keep talking and digging that hole.
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Oct 9, 2011 20:32
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PJ O'Rourke is never ever enjoyable to watch. The panel should never ever have Matt Kibbe, PJ O'Rourke, or Ann Coulter. The panel should always have Neil DeGrasse Tyson. 
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I literally went onto Twitter and found PJ O'Rourke's account just so I could tell him how out-of-touch he looked on the show. Like a blustery old ignoramus getting showed up by a bunch of youngins who don't really respect what he has to say, and you can see it bothering him as he gets angrier and angrier. He kept cutting people off with stupid little b.s. quips that weren't constructive too. What an awful guest.
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Oct 9, 2011 21:26
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Yeah holy crap O'Rourke was embarrassing to watch. I had to look away at one point when he was really being awkward. He did kinda seem like he was boozed up or something.
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Oct 9, 2011 22:45
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JerkyBunion posted:PJ O'Rourke is never ever enjoyable to watch. The panel should never ever have Matt Kibbe, PJ O'Rourke, or Ann Coulter. The panel should always have Neil DeGrasse Tyson. I want to see Matt Taibbi more often. I really hope he does his 'Real Time real reporter' thing again next year.
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ApexAftermath posted:He did kinda seem like he was boozed up or something. He always seems well on his way to drunk.
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IRQ posted:He always seems well on his way to drunk. That's his shtick. He is more of a conversationalist and doesn't fit Bill's show well. All of his attempts to stick in little jokes would be better if he was just having a conversation like they have on the late night shows. I really don't find him funny but I imagine those who like like to read humor may like him.
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P. J. O'Rourke is a more interesting writer than TV personality.Moose Bigelow posted:Michael Moore as much as I love him made a bunch of strawmen arguments because the other two panelists had nothing of substance to say. What strawmen?
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O'Rourke made me cringe with almost every line - I seem to remember a previous time he was on being very similar. He obviously got to Grayson too as he got a few good shots in but was also taunted into some borderline-childish responses which didn't fit someone of his assumed professionalism.Zogo posted:What strawmen? I wouldn't say they were strawmen exactly but Michael Moore has a tendency to go on television with little in the way of preparation. He'll launch into what he thinks is going to be a blistering attack on the greedy scum closing all of the factories, but by the end of his sentence he's just said "banks are evil" in a slightly different way. You'd think he might do a smidgen of writing a few hours in advance and maybe get closer to the root problems than just trotting out the same tired and ineffective ideas interview after interview.
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Hey progress! The key thing with PJ, this time, was him being the late addition guest instead of completely bombing out the entire show save the first few minutes like he did the last time around as a full on panel member. He was still utterly terrible, but this way he at least had less time to do so. Given that he seems to get on about a time per season, better to have him out of the lineup early on. I pray to whoever does booking on Maher's show that Kibbe NEVER comes back though---he's still in the burning running along with that leather jacket guy as the worst kind of guest. Coulter is infinitely more palatable and entertaining than the pair of them put together. A shame the episode and overtime itself were so uneventful otherwise, this week will hopefully be better.
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tags2k posted:O'Rourke made me cringe with almost every line - I seem to remember a previous time he was on being very similar. He obviously got to Grayson too as he got a few good shots in but was also taunted into some borderline-childish responses which didn't fit someone of his assumed professionalism. I know you weren't the original person who posted about Moore but  The greedy scum that he is attack are banks. No matter what way he tries to point it out, it is a bank or a banker or an investor in a bank or people who profit from banks... He is doing what he does and it is what it is. It is what he believes. This is a talk show panel format, not a speech. EDIT: I come off like a dick when I really just want to point out some facts (to me anyway)
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pkd88 posted:That is PJ's profession and he is doing what makes him money. It is professional I had meant that some of Grayson's shots came off as childish because P.J. had goaded him with unfunny, nonsense quips to begin with. It's always the worst awkwardness when somebody says something as a quick response and is laughing, fully expecting the audience to be behind them only to find that what came out of their mouths was quite sub-par and could have been better chosen. Nobody laughs apart from the person who said it and you can see the humiliation as they realise that it sounded better in their head. Cringey McCringe. pkd88 posted:No matter what way he tries to point it out, it is a bank or a banker or an investor in a bank or people who profit from banks... I agree, but just saying "blah blah banks blah big profits blah" doesn't work; it's just so simplistic as to be meaningless. The power structure of government is all kinds of hosed up, there is a programme of misinformation which contributes to the political under-education of many of the population and the only way to move forward is to use the various media platforms to suggest solutions, not retread what the problem is. Someone in Moore's position should be speaking to smart people and preparing smart solutions but instead he seems to be just a finger-pointer. I guess on Real Time he's preaching to the choir but considering he's a writer he should definitely be coming up with some fresher sound-bites.
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This show was the first show where bill looked like he wanted to uppercut the opening interviewee in recent memory.
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Every time I saw the poo poo-eating grin on that fat motherfuckers smug face on tonight's episode I wanted to kick my loving tv in.
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Oct 15, 2011 06:38
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This is easily the worst episode I have seen so far. poo poo panel. Terrible questions. Schoolyard taunting. Pen Jilette saved the day.
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punk rebel ecks posted:This is easily the worst episode I have seen so far. Penn still is a terrible libertarian tool, bad episode. edit: John Fund is so goddamn dumb and crazy. az fucked around with this message at 09:53 on Oct 15, 2011 |
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Oct 15, 2011 09:50
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az posted:Penn still is a terrible libertarian tool, bad episode. Penn was very entertaining and charismatic. That is why I liked him. Fund was horrific. I cannot believe how horrendous Maher and that "leftist" guy in the middle were at arguing. Reagan needed to ring up the debt because he knew he was going to succeed in stopping the Cold War and he did. Thats also the reason why we are doing so today to end the war on terror. Really? I mean REALLY? Nobody could shut him up with something against that?
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punk rebel ecks posted:Penn was very entertaining and charismatic. That is why I liked him. Most of what Fund and Caruso said were made up talking points, like the REAGON REAGAN REAGEN drivel, and it really disappointed me that they didn't get a fire lit under them for most of it. Hartman tried but he was visibly fed up and annoyed in the end and just gave up I think.
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Thom Hartmann is the most handsome guest. Thats pretty much all that this episode had worth commenting about. I did like the opening guest. Obviously I disagree with him, but I respect that he showed up and stood his ground. He seemed to handle Bill's usual atheist schtick well. edit: gently caress that fat piece of poo poo John Fund. Bill: *Valid criticism* Fund: OBAMA DID A BAD!!!!! Peace Frog fucked around with this message at 10:50 on Oct 15, 2011 |
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Holy gently caress. When that fat gently caress Fund was defending the filibuster by saying "there are several things in the Constitution to protect usfrom the tiranny of the majority", I was ready to punch through the screen. If I were actually American, I would've had a brain aneurysm a loooong time ago. richardfun fucked around with this message at 10:51 on Oct 15, 2011 |
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I don't want the show to be an echo chamber, but they also need to stop having Republicans on because they're all one giant loving talking point and bullshit. There are a few conservatives that are good guests, capable of having an actual debate and conversation, they should just rotate them.
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Grand Fromage posted:I don't want the show to be an echo chamber, but they also need to stop having Republicans on because they're all one giant loving talking point and bullshit. There are a few conservatives that are good guests, capable of having an actual debate and conversation, they should just rotate them. There are a few Republicans that I can stomach (David Frum is one of them). It's basically every right winger who is willing to acknowledge, in front of a camera, that the current Republican Party is batshit insane. However, 'reporters' from financial networks are a different story. Not only should they not be invited on the show, they should be herded together and shunned like a leper colony.
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punk rebel ecks posted:Reagan needed to ring up the debt because he knew he was going to succeed in stopping the Cold War and he did. Thats also the reason why we are doing so today to end the war on terror. Debt is an awesome power that only Capitalist economies can wield. No debt in Communism.
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It would have been a FAR better episode if the panel had been Hartmann, Jeffress, and Penn---surely Bill could've found some excuse to have the other 2 on for the interview slots, though I'd really sooner not have them on the show period. Hell, just do the 3 person panel after the opening monologue if there are not awesome fodder for the interviews that are down for the week in question! Overtime was better than last week at the very least.
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That was not a good episode. The conservative on the left was so loving annoying. You can oppose a republican candidate because you don't like his "catch phrases," but you don't have to bring up any comparison to the president or anyone at all. This is why Republicans are so dishonest, when you defend Herman Caine from one person's opinion by attacking the president, you are not pushing anything for the country, you are being stupid. This is a TV show, Bill could just tell the dude to stfu or leave. That would have been funny to see. (now I am just dreaming) I probably make no sense at all I don't watch a lot of news anymore, I can't take it but what was the deal with the eyebrow? Was he trying to hide his thinning brows? The opening religious guy was nice and had a good sense of humor. Bill's honesty about libertarianism was very interesting. I guess he is not one... quote:I don't want the show to be an echo chamber, but they also need to stop having Republicans on because they're all one giant loving talking point and bullshit. There are a few conservatives that are good guests, capable of having an actual debate and conversation, they should just rotate them. You are right. They need conservatives, not Republicans. Republicans are not people to have any sort of conversation with. Penn would be considered a conservative.
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pkd88 posted:That was not a good episode. The conservative on the left was so loving annoying. You can oppose a republican candidate because you don't like his "catch phrases," but you don't have to bring up any comparison to the president or anyone at all. Bill has been calling himself a liberal for quite a while now though. I would not call Penn a conservative. I do not know of any other conservative that will be totally ok with LBGT marriages, legalized drugs and hookers.
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LuisX posted:I would not call Penn a conservative. I do not know of any other conservative that will be totally ok with LBGT marriages, legalized drugs and hookers.
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That episode was really annoying. I found myself turning it down at the quibbling and as others mention, the conservative dude was really annoying. He'd pipe in with absolutely nothing and beat the dead horse. PJ made the episode before uncomfortable and was annoying. lovely guests can really ruin the show. I actually enjoy Ann Coulter as a guest as much as I disagree with everything she says. Most conservative guests aren't entertaining at all but at least she is.
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Godinster posted:That episode was really annoying. I found myself turning it down at the quibbling and as others mention, the conservative dude was really annoying. He'd pipe in with absolutely nothing and beat the dead horse. PJ made the episode before uncomfortable and was annoying. Who would have thought that it's hard to laugh with people that basically want to give all your money to the wealthy and then leave you to die in the streets? Seriously though this poo poo is why I'm pretty much done listening to conservatives. I used to at least try and get their side of the issues but more and more I just ignore them. They don't have any real ideas anymore and their entire philosophy has basically devolved into incoherent chants of "gently caress you! Got mine!". It's getting so bad that I'd pretty much prefer a liberal circle jerk to having to hear their smug bullshit interrupt people who are actually operating on planet earth. Ung! So tired of this crap!
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I'm glad I Tivo this show before I watch it because I always have to fast forward though the irritating as gently caress conservative schtick. The conservative on the left made me want to punch holes through the TV with his blatant lies and spin.
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readingatwork posted:Who would have thought that it's hard to laugh with people that basically want to give all your money to the wealthy and then leave you to die in the streets? This is what I think of when I think of conservative talking heads: http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=nLEV2cXagNg#t=40s
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pkd88 posted:Bill's honesty about libertarianism was very interesting. I guess he is not one... I thought it was obvious that Bill is center left. simonmoon posted:He's socially liberal, but fiscally conservative. Yes, that means he is a libertarian.
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I do not mean what he appears to be on the show. I might have been wrong but I was under the impression that Bill was still calling himself a libertarian but had no choice but to fight against the republicans - therefor he is left of what the current government is - which is confusing... I got the feeling that with this show, he was sort of calling libertarianism a position for the immature and perhaps selfish thinkers. Did anyone else get a different thought from what he was saying. I think Penn nicely explained his position. It was hard to figure out what was being said because we had some rear end in a top hat constantly interrupting to remind us "Obama is bad" Libertarianism is conservatism because it is the opposite of liberalism? or is liberalism now different from progressiveness... Wooty fucked around with this message at 22:51 on Oct 16, 2011 |
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LuisX posted:Bill has been calling himself a liberal for quite a while now though. The position of the libertarian is conservative because it is "just leave me alone, I will do for myself and help you, if I feel like it" while the liberal position is "together we can succeed" The republican party has stolen individual issues and made them theirs because it is easy to steal voters on one individual issue. This is becoming a problem for them because you can not be a slightly moderate republican anymore because you will upset someone with an obsession over one issue. You can't be a conservative, that will offend over 1/2 the people you want to vote for you, you have to be a republican. Of course, I am being sort of silly with my descriptions and please excuse my cap usage. Edit: I worry so hard about being misunderstood (don't look at my post in the Goon Doctor mental health threads) so please understand I don't disagree, I am just putting out what I sense is going on.
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OG KUSH BLUNTS posted:I'm glad I Tivo this show before I watch it because I always have to fast forward though the irritating as gently caress conservative schtick. The conservative on the left made me want to punch holes through the TV with his blatant lies and spin. Fund really is one of the most disingenuous shitbags out there. But I'm more pissed at Maher, not being prepared enough to destroy the bullshit 'arguments' that I as a casual viewer can see coming a mile away.
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