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That is an odd thing to dislike. How else would you prefer people justify their vote? None of the choices are based on current events - a military choice would be available if so, because Russia gaining an Attack Azerbaijan mission is a huge red flag. But if it is gamey to vote based on a theme that has emerged for this particular LP - multiculturalism, liberalism, whatever - then it is doubly so to vote based on the mission that Russia has drawn. You should vote for what you feel is best. Voting based on spite makes this feel like a real-life American election.
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Oct 12, 2011 14:00
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I wonder how many votes C would have if everybody who voted something else because they saw C as a lost cause actually stood up for their ideals. I for one am willing to throw my vote into a cause I believe in. gently caress tolerance. We need money.
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Oct 12, 2011 14:05
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 - We need diplomacy and allies when Russia comes knocking - Aram III is a coward so it seems that he would want to put some of the responsibilities on other people - Time to set Azerbaijan's administrative structure into stone and make the Shura an official institution - We are ALREADY the most tolerant country in the Islamic world by far, probably in the entire world, calm down a bit. Also, updated the ruler tree with Nasir II, who was pretty awesome on all accounts. Made the background lighter, so everything should (?) be readable now.  http://i.imgur.com/2KOx9.gif huge file warning as alwaysPreparing for an onslaught from the two headed eagle. Could sure use an Rafiq now. DarkCrawler fucked around with this message at 14:12 on Oct 12, 2011 |
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Oct 12, 2011 14:07
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Personally, I was aiming more at convincing the Sultan to do something diplomatically in the hope that he'll actually pay attention to getting other allies. Besides, I'm not really in favor of much expansion at the moment - I LIKE the idea of Azerbaijan as a middle-range regional power that relies more on soft diplomacy than empire. Actually, there's a quick poll. How many of the folks here would want to see Azerbaijan expand significantly, and how many would prefer to see Azerbaijan's borders kept more or less as they currently are?
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Oct 12, 2011 14:13
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Darth Windu posted:That is an odd thing to dislike. How else would you prefer people justify their vote? None of the choices are based on current events - a military choice would be available if so, because Russia gaining an Attack Azerbaijan mission is a huge red flag. But if it is gamey to vote based on a theme that has emerged for this particular LP - multiculturalism, liberalism, whatever - then it is doubly so to vote based on the mission that Russia has drawn. Even without knowing their mission, they just broke military access, which you usually only do when you're planing a war. Plus the mission doesn't even need spies to view, so I assume it's fairly common knowledge among our diplomats and government.
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Oct 12, 2011 14:14
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KnoxZone posted:I wonder how many votes C would have if everybody who voted something else because they saw C as a lost cause actually stood up for their ideals. I for one am willing to throw my vote into a cause I believe in. gently caress tolerance. We need money.  Tolerance is freedom, and freedom is capitalism, and capitalism is MONEY! IF YOU LIKE MONEY, STAND UP FOR WHAT YOU LIKE!
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Oct 12, 2011 14:15
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Sod it, I'm switching my vote from B to Inflation is really annoying in EU3 and it looks like most of the ways of mitigating it have been nerfed (including national bank). [edit] and to you pragmatic people out there. The ready cash a bit of additional "free" minting will get us is more useful than a tiny increase to getting through a diplomatic request will be. Btw Wiz, have you rebalanced sphere of influence bonuses? Munin fucked around with this message at 10:14 on Oct 13, 2011 |
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Oct 12, 2011 14:16
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Darth Windu posted:That is an odd thing to dislike. How else would you prefer people justify their vote? None of the choices are based on current events - a military choice would be available if so, because Russia gaining an Attack Azerbaijan mission is a huge red flag. But if it is gamey to vote based on a theme that has emerged for this particular LP - multiculturalism, liberalism, whatever - then it is doubly so to vote based on the mission that Russia has drawn. Do you have autism or something
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Oct 12, 2011 14:19
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All the votes for A is a bit bizarre.
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Oct 12, 2011 14:22
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 Seems to be the better choice.
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Oct 12, 2011 14:27
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Tomn posted:Personally, I was aiming more at convincing the Sultan to do something diplomatically in the hope that he'll actually pay attention to getting other allies. Besides, I'm not really in favor of much expansion at the moment - I LIKE the idea of Azerbaijan as a middle-range regional power that relies more on soft diplomacy than empire. I like Azerbaijan as it is, maybe push Armenia back a little and annex Erzerum, but mostly it's pretty awesome right now. We are already pretty big. WizMod also is good enough that we don't need to have our fingers in every pile to ensure a realistic outcome. Also, with our Tolerance(TM) we could establish ourself as an immigrant country punching above it's borders on a map when Vicky II rolls along - shame that EU III doesn't do immigration. Though it would be cool to have some refugee events where Azerbaijani border provinces get +base tax or more people if some certain events happen in neighboring countries. On the other hand, Russia isn't going anywhere. Might have to get
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Oct 12, 2011 14:30
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Nepalese Robot posted:Do you have autism or something Do you?
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Oct 12, 2011 14:31
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Get the bank. Get it. All you people voting diplomats are going to look pretty silly when those military alliances the diplomats broker don't get honored, and you know that will happen. We are going to get rocked by the Russian juggernaut and we will need an economy that can buy as many wet naps as possible to clean our people's blood off the palace walls.
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Darth Windu posted:Yeah, in gameplay terms, A is probably the least helpful. But whatever you know, this is what comes of lots of people who have no idea how to play this game voting. You can choose your vote based on RP or in-character reasons other than tolerance, you know. The votes aren't just for national ideas, they're for how Wiz continues to play the game. The vote for the cabinet is a vote for Azeri 'soft power' and an attempt to obtain hegemony in the region through diplomacy, as well as maintaining a large coalition of allies so that we don't get killed all the time. The Saurus fucked around with this message at 14:54 on Oct 12, 2011 |
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Oct 12, 2011 14:52
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Tomn posted:Personally, I was aiming more at convincing the Sultan to do something diplomatically in the hope that he'll actually pay attention to getting other allies. Besides, I'm not really in favor of much expansion at the moment - I LIKE the idea of Azerbaijan as a middle-range regional power that relies more on soft diplomacy than empire. My fundamental instincts are expansionist: For all the 'neat borders' debates, I still maintain the neatest borders are the seas. Nonetheless, I'm trying to rein that in for the sake of Azerbaijan not conquering the world, although with all the exploits gone I'm not certain if it would be possible. So I'm torn between deliberately staying modestly-sized on the one hand and pushing the boundaries of the modifications to see how far we can go, because that may be necessary in giving us enough mileage to survive as a moderate power at all. I'm overall happy with Wiz's policy with going with the personality of the sultans, whilst hoping for a few magnificent bastards.
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Oct 12, 2011 15:01
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I'm agreeing with The Saurus, diplomacy to cage in the Bear.
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Oct 12, 2011 15:08
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Munin posted:Sod it, I'm switching my vote from Changing your vote is fine, just don't include two icons. Thank you!
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Oct 12, 2011 15:08
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Current Vote: 70 - 62 - 26
sniper4625 fucked around with this message at 15:42 on Oct 12, 2011 |
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Oct 12, 2011 15:11
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The Saurus posted:You can choose your vote based on RP or in-character reasons other than tolerance, you know. The votes aren't just for national ideas, they're for how Wiz continues to play the game. The vote for the cabinet is a vote for Azeri 'soft power' and an attempt to obtain hegemony in the region through diplomacy, as well as maintaining a large coalition of allies so that we don't get killed all the time. The people who are choosing A seem to largely justify it in response to Russian aggression.
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Oct 12, 2011 15:13
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I'm hoping that WizMod has something that doesn't make all of your allies abandon you instantly...right...? ...right?
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Oct 12, 2011 15:17
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Darth Windu posted:The people who are choosing A seem to largely justify it in response to Russian aggression. Really? I put in my vote that I was voting A because, considering that we are Azerbaijani nobles, it would seem rather silly for us to support anything other than the Sultan having to permanently consult Azerbaijani nobles. Voting to increase our power. I agree that the actual gameplay bonuses are limited, but that's irrelevant.
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Oct 12, 2011 15:19
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I really wish Battlefield Commissions was on the table. I think we're going to need the generals. In light of it not, losses to mercs are losses we don't have to replace.
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Oct 12, 2011 15:36
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Tolerance forever.
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Oct 12, 2011 15:36
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Bah lack of a decent Military Ruler.
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Oct 12, 2011 15:37
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It's looking like B has far and away the most people voting for a unified purpose. Votes for A seem a lot more splintered.
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Oct 12, 2011 15:38
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DarkCrawler posted:Preparing for an onslaught from the two headed eagle. Could sure use an Rafiq now. e; Maybe use a flag where the Coat of Arms of Muscowy is more in focus for Victoria 2? 
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Oct 12, 2011 15:40
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I just want to point out that a vote for A is a vote for Crete.
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Oct 12, 2011 15:43
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Also you can use two icons, just make sure it's [old vote] -> [new vote]. Still would prefer just one icon! (I know what you've voted for already) 68 - 62 - 27
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Oct 12, 2011 15:50
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There's still time for everyone to come to their senses and switch their votes to C.
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Oct 12, 2011 15:53
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Tomn posted:Personally, I was aiming more at convincing the Sultan to do something diplomatically in the hope that he'll actually pay attention to getting other allies. Besides, I'm not really in favor of much expansion at the moment - I LIKE the idea of Azerbaijan as a middle-range regional power that relies more on soft diplomacy than empire.
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Oct 12, 2011 15:54
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There are limits to power, as those who put their hopes in a constitution always discover...Constitutions become the ultimate tyranny. They're organized power on such a scale as to be overwhelming. The constitution is social power mobilized and it has no conscience. It can crush the highest and the lowest, removing all dignity and individuality. It has an unstable balance point and no limitations. I, however, have limitations. In my desire to provide an ultimate protection for my people, I forbid a constitution. -Paul Atreides , because the spice must flow.
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Oct 12, 2011 16:01
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Man some people are getting really upset about people voting differently than them, mostly because of something that happened like 3 years ago in the Hohenzollern LP. It's pretty ridiculous to accuse someone of ruining the internet game that you are watching by voting for a cabinet because you thought historical-fiction version of Germany 400 years after the game's current position wasn't as satisfying as you would have liked. In point of fact it shows a level of anxiety totally incommensurate both to the context and the content of the votes cast herein. Why it's so ridiculous I think I'll vote for again just to point out how nonsensical it is.
Arglebargle III fucked around with this message at 16:11 on Oct 12, 2011 |
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Oct 12, 2011 16:08
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I've historically abstained from Wiz-LP-voting and its associated dramafests, but hell with it, we needs them duckets.
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