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sniper4625 posted:Vote closed! Unofficial Results 106 - 92 - 25 A is the projected winner! 
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Oct 13, 2011 03:40
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Diplomats for everyone!  Maybe we'll actually be able to rally enough allies to keep Russia from killing us.And hey, we'll probably pick up Bill of Rights next time.
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Oct 13, 2011 03:49
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Thank you all that helped in the heroic last push for A. Azerbaijan will be the greatest country in the world.
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Oct 13, 2011 03:53
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I'd just like to point out that I'd be happy with Bill of Rights eventually. It's a far better idea than those drat Tolerance ones. Cabinet's just more important.
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Oct 13, 2011 03:57
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We've made a pragmatic decision that in no way excludes us from creating progressive policy in our future. Sometimes, however, it's necessary to put diplomatic and military affairs before domestic ones.
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Oct 13, 2011 04:04
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Patter Song posted:I'd just like to point out that I'd be happy with Bill of Rights eventually. It's a far better idea than those drat Tolerance ones. Cabinet's just more important. Tolerance is actually pretty strong as a game mechanic, especially as a nation that requires Innovative.
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Oct 13, 2011 04:08
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Perhaps we can use our extra Diplomatic prowess to make friends with Russia again. That would be the best result, I think, instead of making allies and giving up Azeri's friendship with the Great Bear as a lost cause.
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Oct 13, 2011 05:10
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berryjon posted:Perhaps we can use our extra Diplomatic prowess to make friends with Russia again. That would be the best result, I think, instead of making allies and giving up Azeri's friendship with the Great Bear as a lost cause. They've got a mission to gently caress us up. The AI is likely to ignore our attempts at friendship, and the worst we can do is make them take stability hits for declaring war on us.
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Oct 13, 2011 05:17
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Yeah the AI having a mission against you causes it to go into full jerk mode.
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Oct 13, 2011 05:34
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Wiz posted:Guys, 2-3 diplomats a year is not a crippling handicap. More diplomats is nice, but it's not the end of the earth to just have a few diplomats.  But seriously I'm actually totally cool with a cabinet. It is indeed a step towards a more bureaucratic less despotic government, and that's good too. It's not like a cabinet is intolerant or anything. Didn't really feel like mentioning that during the vote though. It's great how close and exciting the vote was until Wiz influenced it at the last second with out of context figures.
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Oct 13, 2011 05:34
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Zero grinder posted:Yeah the AI having a mission against you causes it to go into full jerk mode. Unless they don't stand a chance in hell of winning a war against you.
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Oct 13, 2011 05:56
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I'm glad that the cabinet won too as it can keep the ideals of tolerance we've been preaching so far so yay for us and well... we might be able to pass the bill of rights at a later date
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Oct 13, 2011 05:58
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Just so long as we do pass a bill of rights. I kind of suspect that it frequently isn't going to look like the absolute best option, but that we'll still really want to grab it at some point anyways.
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Oct 13, 2011 06:24
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Mark my words when these reforms lead to fascist jackboots marching down the streets of every Azerbaijani village you'll look back and realize that this somehow in some vague and convoluted way that can't be quantified could have been avoided with that -.50 inflation modifier 
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Oct 13, 2011 06:24
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The Lord of Hats posted:Just so long as we do pass a bill of rights. I kind of suspect that it frequently isn't going to look like the absolute best option, but that we'll still really want to grab it at some point anyways. I can't speak for all the A voters, but I'm 100% in voting for a bill of rights, just at a more opportune and sensible time (probably in response to some degree of internal unrest).
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Oct 13, 2011 06:30
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Viola the Mad posted:Azerbaijan's place as a center of culture and and intellectual advancement, as well as its strong tradition of tolerance, has allowed new ideas and ideologies unthinkable elsewhere to flourish. In a country where different ethnicities and religions have peaceably lived side-by-side for decades, folks are more amenable to the idea that all people are created equal. These ideas have even spread to members of the noble classes, who are likely to be even more worldly than then their commoner counterparts. The occasional intolerant king has only driven home the point that it is necessary to preserve in law these God-given rights in order to protect them from the vagaries of misguided rulers. But why are the lower classes suddenly so angry? Our country is perfectly stable and content right now. There is no urgency. It would make more sense if there are food riots or we just lost a war or if we're overtaxing the subjects or something, but I don't see the radicals showing up while people are still happy. Furthermore, the bourgeoisie have little or no reason to support the rights of the lower classes. If the ruling elite could get away with just ceding rights to the growing merchant class, then they would. Note: I know that this is moot, but I feel like this is an interesting conversation regardless.
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Oct 13, 2011 06:41
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Snipee posted:But why are the lower classes suddenly so angry? Our country is perfectly stable and content right now. There is no urgency. It would make more sense if there are food riots or we just lost a war or if we're overtaxing the subjects or something, but I don't see the radicals showing up while people are still happy. Furthermore, the bourgeoisie have little or no reason to support the rights of the lower classes. If the ruling elite could get away with just ceding rights to the growing merchant class, then they would. Wiz posted:I was talking about this on IRC, but the way I see Bill of Rights is basically a competent monarch codifying and organizing the enormous mess of local privileges would currently be the Azeri legal system. This makes a great deal of sense in the context of the time, because at that time in history there were often parallel and sometimes overlapping legal codes and justice systems. This would especially be a problem for Azerbaijan, because it's a heterogeneous state that grants a large degree of autonomy and toleration to minority communities. In that sense the Bill of Rights NI would be less like the Magna Carta and more like a comprehensive legal reform a la Suleiman I Kanuni. The explanation for it wouldn't be that there was a pressing need for it, but just that our current Sultan, with his high administration and diplomacy scores, was the kind of man to do a job that needed doing. Alternatively, when I asked Wiz about it on IRC, I suggested that perhaps the Bill of Rights would be motivated by fear of the coming struggle with Russia. Only a minority of the population is Shi'a, and with war against the world's preeminent Orthodox power, that could present a real problem. The bill of rights would be something like an official declaration from the Sultan guaranteeing certain civil rights to all his subjects in perpetuity, something Russia isn't giving them, even if they happen to practice the same religion.
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Oct 13, 2011 07:10
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B had funny parallels to the historical Lithuanian-Polish commonwealth adopting a quite progressive constitution and then getting devoured by Russia (and Prussia and Austria)
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Oct 13, 2011 10:09
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If Russia hadn't been big or scary B or C would've been better. As it was though, the Russian threat puts international issues at the forefront of our decisions. And with our less militant sultan, well.
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Oct 13, 2011 10:27
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Somaen posted:B had funny parallels to the historical Lithuanian-Polish commonwealth adopting a quite progressive constitution and then getting devoured by Russia (and Prussia and Austria) That was about their decentralization of power. Which begs the question, to what degree should tolerance/rights NIs influence the centralization slider?
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Oct 13, 2011 10:29
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That was a good close vote. The only thing I'm worried about now is that apparently what we say in thread will now have more influence...
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Oct 13, 2011 10:30
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Snipee posted:But why are the lower classes suddenly so angry? Our country is perfectly stable and content right now. There is no urgency. It would make more sense if there are food riots or we just lost a war or if we're overtaxing the subjects or something, but I don't see the radicals showing up while people are still happy. Furthermore, the bourgeoisie have little or no reason to support the rights of the lower classes. If the ruling elite could get away with just ceding rights to the growing merchant class, then they would. Worth pointing out, by the way, that last time we checked our sliders were still pretty heavily favoring aristocracy. The merchant class still doesn't have a whole lot of say at this point.
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Oct 13, 2011 11:12
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Mr. Pumroy posted:Mark my words when these reforms lead to fascist jackboots marching down the streets of every Azerbaijani village you'll look back and realize that this somehow in some vague and convoluted way that can't be quantified could have been avoided with that -.50 inflation modifier The inflation reduction is .05, not .50. However, we're setting the stage for Maximum Weimar. We're about to get rofflestomped by Russia, followed by hyperinflation from reparations, followed by revanchism over the lost Crimea, followed by Maximum Hitler. I just know it! 
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Oct 13, 2011 11:26
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Drink Cheerwine posted:The inflation reduction is .05, not .50. However, we're setting the stage for Maximum Weimar. We're about to get rofflestomped by Russia, followed by hyperinflation from reparations, followed by revanchism over the lost Crimea, followed by Maximum Hitler. I just know it! We still have 400 years to go. Who knows where we will be by then.
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Oct 13, 2011 12:36
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Not what I hoped for, but indeed, Cabinet was likely a National Idea I would have voted for in another session anyway. It gets us away from absolute monarcy. We'll see what happens then.
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Oct 13, 2011 12:55
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Drink Cheerwine posted:The inflation reduction is .05, not .50. However, we're setting the stage for Maximum Weimar. We're about to get rofflestomped by Russia, followed by hyperinflation from reparations, followed by revanchism over the lost Crimea, followed by Maximum Hitler. I just know it! Fortunately, in EU3 it's impossible to pay more reparations than you have in your treasury at the time of the peace treaty. We may end up broke with nothing but two goats and half a cow in taxes, but we won't be in debt!
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Oct 13, 2011 14:36
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Tomn posted:Fortunately, in EU3 it's impossible to pay more reparations than you have in your treasury at the time of the peace treaty. We may end up broke with nothing but two goats and half a cow in taxes, but we won't be in debt! Yeah, I know. I was just in histrionic mode. Anyways, what do our Georgian subjects need but a goat for a wife? Our Azeri subjects will get by just fine with a goat and half a cow for dinner.
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Oct 13, 2011 15:03
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That's something that should probably change somehow. I would love it if I could demand enough money as to make my enemies take out loans to pay me back.
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Oct 13, 2011 15:11
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The Official Hand Count is now beginning.
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Oct 13, 2011 15:13
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sniper4625 posted:The Official Hand Count is now beginning. Since B didn't win due to obvious vote manipulation on the hands of the intolerant, your new nickname is Hanging Chad
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Oct 13, 2011 15:35
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 A is the official winner! A: Cabinet: 108 (Sniper4625, Veloxyll, Cardinal Ximenez, Patter Song, frankenfreak, Snipee, lonelywurm, Popy, Frionnel, AgentF, General Antares, Lawman 0, Hyord, Servant, Hafl, Talas, Proposition Joe, MadPierrot, Garenas, Rarity, Viscardus, Pakled, Epicurius, Broken Box, Hostile Rabbi, MrGreenShirt, TLM3101, LordBaxter, SolidPolonium, wukkar, heavensgardener, Jimmy4400nav, Canuck-Errant, WilliamAnderson, AJ_Impy, The Narrator, Raldan, TheGrandMystic, BlackJosh, Gregoriev, Undead Unicorn, K0npeito, The Saurus, reL, Smoky Bandana, Klingtron, Flavius Belisarius, Freudian, markus_cz, Octomon, Kainser, Jihad Joe, Terror storm, Captain Foo, Tomn, Kingolf, Veryslightlymad, Manic Mole, Arglebargle III, OddObserver, Nepalese Robot, doctor iono, Ironic Revolution, skipThings, Asehujiko, DarkCrawler, Crazy Joe Wilson, berryjon, Quixzlizx, ComradeCosmobot, Cernunnos, Slaan, Bobbin Threadbare, Robert_Deadford, Nerokerubina, Giovanni_Sinclair, Viola the Mad, Raserys, Beeswax, John Dough, EvanSchenck, Fraction Jackson, Magrov, i poo poo trains, Thug Lessons, PharmerBoy, Zore, Erakko, Ghost of Mussolini, guiguiBob, Dux Supremus, Tekopo, Erwin the German, Rogue0071, SkySteak, the JJ, Morrow, Bot 02, theDOWmustflow, SirPhoebos, ZearothK, seal it with a kiss, Kem Rixen, Brutus Salad, Kibibit, Zero grinder, Kavak, Doktor Per) B: Bill of Rights: 93* (nimby, Kanthulhu, TheLoquid, Carbolic, Disproportionation, BklynBruzer, FadingChord, Terrifying Effigies, Shogeton, Ogianres, Conskill, Sandono, L-O-N, Archduke Frantz Fanon, thsgrn, Charlie72, logger, BulletHole, Whizbang, Aisar, paragon1, RZApublican, AtomikKrab, Cityinthesea, Ferroque, Necroskowitz, Giggily, Pimpmust, Dolash, GoatLord, benzine, rakovsky maybe, Coolodile, Rutkowski, Zudak, Verus, Eiba, meatbag, dereku, Xerophyte, Vaos, karmicknight, RabidWeasel, Salvador Dahlberg, Darth Windu, DagPenge, YF-23, sebzilla, Jeoh, Affi, V. Illych L., iLurk, yermato, Cowcatcher, Mikl, Dirt Worshipper, Alikchi, A sexy submarine, Hutter, Peel, Rejected Fate, Eumenides, Septic Arthritis, DTurtle, Cathulhu, ldragon, Archaeology Hat, Zikan, NGDBSS, Vander, Yohan, Sufficient, Beamed, biglads, BrainMeats, uPen, Ionnracht, Koesj, Slow Loris, i81icu812, Lamadar, RentACop, gemuse, Reatheran, Jeb Bush 2012, JohnCharitySpring, Solis, Herr Tog, Bozart, Leperflesh, Foxfire_, Servetus, TurningTrix, gowby*) C: National Bank: 25 (aqu, Icecream Jones, Drink Cheerwine, theblastizard, DivineCoffeeBinge, Dr. Tough, ibntumart, rudatron, Retarded Goatee, steinrokkan, NihilCredo, Kuntz, KnoxZone, Munin, Ras Het, Mr. Pumroy, GrossMurpel, The 47 Regans, wiegieman, loquacius, ManifunkDestiny, linall, Civilized Fishbot, Pacho, HBar) sniper4625 fucked around with this message at 19:21 on Oct 13, 2011 |
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Oct 13, 2011 17:03
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sniper4625 posted:A is the official winner! Hooray! As Azerbaijan's new Minister for Leisure I demand Wiz invade Quebec. Our people need a winter holiday resort 
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Oct 13, 2011 18:19
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Diplomats!
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Oct 13, 2011 18:23
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Affi posted:That's something that should probably change somehow. I would love it if I could demand enough money as to make my enemies take out loans to pay me back. You can sort of do this if you demand all their money at the beginning of the year. Since you'll claim all their census tax, they'll have to either take out loans or mint to cover all their expenses until the next January. Of course, if you're at a point where you can demand all of their money, they probably don't much of an army left and may not have many expenses to pay, but at least you can cause them a little inflation.
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Oct 13, 2011 18:24
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Rarity posted:Hooray! As Azerbaijan's new Minister for Leisure I demand Wiz invade Quebec. Our people need a winter holiday resort We already have some fine Winter holiday resorts. The Böyük Qafqaz Dağları are beautiful that time of year.
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Oct 13, 2011 18:26
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As the Shura, I demand that Astrakhan only trade with Islamic Republics and Azeri Korea.
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Oct 13, 2011 18:50
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Hey! YOu didn't count my vote for B!! 
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Oct 13, 2011 19:01
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As a member of the Shura, I demand that Wiz ignore all the terrible ideas that will come from the Shura.
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Oct 13, 2011 19:16
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If we are all making unreasonable demands because A won, then as Chief Minister of the Cabinet, I demand that all Sultans delegate all future power to the Shura, or perhaps some representative body comprised of elected officials from the provinces.
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Oct 13, 2011 19:21
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As a backwater minister of some province nobody cares about, I demand that all Sultans ignore the previous two commands.
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