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SamBishop
Jan 10, 2003

a shameful boehner posted:

Yessss...so good to hear you say that Sam. Day one. :flashfap:

And for once there's no embargo! By all means, if anyone has any questions, ask away. I'm just now starting it (maybe an hour or so in), but it's difficult to use a controller when your brain has been blown out the back of your head.

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Pyruvate
Apr 4, 2008

by Y Kant Ozma Post

Chard posted:

The character creator was awesome, so awesome, and I'm sure the new one is going to be even more absurd. I hope they get one, maybe two more voice options, but I know that gets expensive.

Seems like there are fewer options this time around. No facial expressions, no walks, no socks, and no clothing layers. It's unclear how much more will be in the game than is in the initiation station, but I'd say not much more. People are still working up some cool characters though.

Policenaut
Jul 11, 2008

On the moon... they don't make Neo Kobe Pizza.

Speaking of Uncharted 3, does anyone want this free "Kickback Endurance Booster" code? It's something for the multiplayer I think.

4ETP 9FNB HQ9G

Be cool and say something if you used it, unless you're someone lurking without an account in which case gently caress off.

Shindragon
Jun 6, 2011

by Athanatos
oh goddamn it UC3 is around the corner. Son of a BITCH. I just bought Batman AC. :(

omnibobb
Dec 3, 2005
Title text'd
I just beat Festival of Blood and I was pretty happy with it. The game is about 3 hours long if you power through, 7ish if you want to get all the trophies. They did away with the level up system of i2, and have it so you complete a task X number of times, they upgrade a power. I.E, stake 20 vampires, upgrade your rockets. You get something every so oftem until you get a trophy.

The user generated content is back, and seems much more polished than last time. The only ugc I didn't like were the ones where yoiu play just to get credit for the trophy.

The only thing I didn't like wasd the lack of a real tutorial. It assumes you played infamous 2 and remember which button is which power. I beat that poo poo a while ago and don't remember all that noise. Also, as a stand alone game, im sure someone is playing this without playing Infamous 2 first.

Overall, if you liked Infamous 2 and want to step back into the world of New Marais it's worth your :10bux: If you haven't played it before though, I would recommend starting somewhere else.

Sistergodiva
Jan 3, 2006

I'm like you,
I have no shame.

SamBishop posted:

JESUS loving CHRIST, Uncharted 3. How... I...

Seriously, does Naughty Dog sacrifice virgins nightly in a blood pact or something? The PS3 shouldn't be able to do this kind of stuff...

Awesome! If you don't mind bescribe some cool setpiece or something. Nothing too spoilery but not that aspie about spoilers. Is it much more awesome than 2?

ElwoodCuse
Jan 11, 2004

we're puttin' the band back together

The Moon Monster posted:

A lot of open world games seem to have this weird tendency to present the player character as a likable good guy who tries to do the right thing during cutscenes and story missions, but then encourage you to casually kill tons of people during the open world parts. The disconnect makes it hard for me to appreciate either part.

This is a fundamental flaw of video games as a medium. If you want to try telling a story, you have to really hand-hold the player and restrict choice, like LA Noire. If you want to let people go hog wild and do whatever, you can't have much of a narrative because there's no way to account for your choices.

Example: Suppose you save the Brotherhood missions in Saints Row 2 for quite a bit later on. Sounds pretty stupid for them to be giving you the "who the gently caress are you" speech when you could have taken over as much as two-thirds of the city at that point.

Here's a much better, much more in-depth explanation:

http://www.grantland.com/story/_/id/6625747/la-noire

Yechezkel
Oct 5, 2004

Fun Shoe
Bluray disc version of Back to the Future The Game has a platinum trophy. It's also a different trophy list from the PSN episodes.

That has to be the easiest game to get a platinum now.

SamBishop
Jan 10, 2003

Sistergodiva posted:

Awesome! If you don't mind bescribe some cool setpiece or something. Nothing too spoilery but not that aspie about spoilers. Is it much more awesome than 2?

Hmmm, that is a little tough, but I'll try. It's DEFINITELY more awesome so far than Uncharted 2, but that's because I've always wanted more puzzle solving from this series and they've given it in spades thus far. The ratio has been at least 50/50 and the game is all the better for it.

Without spoiling anything, there's a few chase sequences so far that have been an absolute blast -- think the chase from the start of Casino Royale, just tearing through the world trying t catch someone. I really, REALLY don't want to say more. It was a bit of a slow start, but holy poo poo has it ramped up. I'm also completely in love with Elena. Something about her facial expressions is just... :3:

What a game... I always seem to forget how good this series is at delivering not just the locales of an Indy game, bu the character interaction. The dialogue so far has been absolutely peerless.

This is the best year!

RatHat
Dec 31, 2007

A tiny behatted rat👒🐀!

Yechezkel posted:

Bluray disc version of Back to the Future The Game has a platinum trophy. It's also a different trophy list from the PSN episodes.

That has to be the easiest game to get a platinum now.

Terminator Salvation is probably still easier, and takes less time too.

Policenaut
Jul 11, 2008

On the moon... they don't make Neo Kobe Pizza.

Back to the Future though has the virtue of being a good game.

Sistergodiva
Jan 3, 2006

I'm like you,
I have no shame.

SamBishop posted:

Hmmm, that is a little tough, but I'll try. It's DEFINITELY more awesome so far than Uncharted 2, but that's because I've always wanted more puzzle solving from this series and they've given it in spades thus far. The ratio has been at least 50/50 and the game is all the better for it.

Without spoiling anything, there's a few chase sequences so far that have been an absolute blast -- think the chase from the start of Casino Royale, just tearing through the world trying t catch someone. I really, REALLY don't want to say more. It was a bit of a slow start, but holy poo poo has it ramped up. I'm also completely in love with Elena. Something about her facial expressions is just... :3:

What a game... I always seem to forget how good this series is at delivering not just the locales of an Indy game, bu the character interaction. The dialogue so far has been absolutely peerless.

This is the best year!

Thanks! And it's out wednesday and I just got bf3. Good games overload.

Harlock
Jan 15, 2006

Tap "A" to drink!!!

Cbouncerrun posted:

Terminator Salvation is probably still easier, and takes less time too.
When I was actively playing games for trophies I actually found Terminator required a good deal of work. Playing on the hardest difficulty is definitely not made easier by the poor controls and gameplay design. I think I got to the third level before I gave up on it and trying to get easy trophies.

Urban Achiever
Mar 29, 2005

SamBishop posted:

JESUS loving CHRIST, Uncharted 3. How... I...

Seriously, does Naughty Dog sacrifice virgins nightly in a blood pact or something? The PS3 shouldn't be able to do this kind of stuff...

This makes me happy. Then I remember that my wife wants to give this to me for Christmas this year.... gently caress.

Urban Achiever fucked around with this message at 15:34 on Oct 27, 2011

Feenix
Mar 14, 2003
Sorry, guy.

a shameful boehner posted:

Is the BF3 multi still a buggy piece of poo poo? I hear most of the problems from the beta have been resolved except for little things like, yknow, squads. Or rubberbanding.

Any impressions?

I've been too consumed with Dark Souls. :unsmigghh:

Buggy piece of poo poo? No. Chat's a little wonky, squads are occasionally, too. (But you can get your friends in and once you are together it stays that way across rounds...) And I experienced a very minor amount of rubberbanding. (maybe like less than 30 seconds of it in something like 5-6 hours of Multi....

it's extremely fun.

J
Jun 10, 2001

SamBishop posted:

Hmmm, that is a little tough, but I'll try. It's DEFINITELY more awesome so far than Uncharted 2, but that's because I've always wanted more puzzle solving from this series and they've given it in spades thus far. The ratio has been at least 50/50 and the game is all the better for it.



I'm glad to hear it is awesome but I really don't like the puzzles in the uncharted games. :smith:

Krad
Feb 4, 2008

Touche

SamBishop posted:

And for once there's no embargo! By all means, if anyone has any questions, ask away.

This is a stupid question, but are all the cutscenes prerendered again?

SamBishop
Jan 10, 2003

J posted:

I'm glad to hear it is awesome but I really don't like the puzzles in the uncharted games. :smith:

They aren't especially tough (though some are annoyingly long-winded), and the game gives you all of a couple of seconds to try to figure stuff out before Drake and/or Sully starts rattling off the solution, though that doesn't mean it's perfectly spelled out.

So far, the puzzles have been pretty brain dead, but they add to the whole "I'm decoding ancient mysteries that nobody else solved" feel of the game.

Krad posted:

This is a stupid question, but are all the cutscenes prerendered again?

Nah, not a stupid question. It's probably a... 70/30 mix between pre-rendered and real-time, with the latter happening when there's an obvious transition into gameplay. The pre-rendered stuff is done with either slightly higher-res assets (though honestly you've never seen textures this good in a console game) or just better filtering on what's there. Stuff like stonework and hair is absolutely mind-blowing.

That said, I opted to head to be apparently right when the game decided to poo poo itself. Pirates showed up (that's not a spoiler, pirates always show up) and the game became a grind of clunky shootouts and constant restarts. I'm definitely burned out on the gunplay in this series; the dead zone on the sticks and lack of response time due to all the post-processing they're doing to make it all look good is really getting to me.

On top of that, this is without question the least polished of all the games. AI will sometimes wig out in place or just stand there, Drake's movement is clunky and doesn't always mesh with the environment and there's just little stuff here and there that ruins the illusion that this is sorcery. Visually the game may well go down as the best looking this generation (and by extension, thus far, I guess?), but that same sense of pure polish and refinement isn't really there anymore.

I dunno, maybe it's that other games raised the bar. You can't do multi-character brawling without really aping Batman's fluidity if you're going to go the whole reversal-based route, and there's a lot of fistfighting going on in the game -- more than the previous two combined, really.

There are still plenty of insanely jaw-dropping moments, but they're being severely hampered by really weird bugs like blowing a stealth attack because I was a step lower than the guy on some stairs? That poo poo's stupid, and it's in a place where it should have been caught.

I'm hoping things get better soon, because I'm losing the drive to just marathon this in a couple sittings like I did with the previous games, and I'm pretty drat sure I won't be bothering with Platinuming it, something I never thought I'd say.

But hey, I'm nothing if not honest about my opinions on the stuff I'm reviewing, so maybe things will change.

Krad
Feb 4, 2008

Touche

SamBishop posted:

Nah, not a stupid question. It's probably a... 70/30 mix between pre-rendered and real-time, with the latter happening when there's an obvious transition into gameplay. The pre-rendered stuff is done with either slightly higher-res assets (though honestly you've never seen textures this good in a console game) or just better filtering on what's there. Stuff like stonework and hair is absolutely mind-blowing.

Sounds like it's pretty much the same as in U2. I wish developers would stop using prerendered scenes, it takes me away from the game for some reason. It was fine back in the PSX days when you just couldn't make it look THAT good, but nowadays, what's their excuse? Lack of space? Hiding loading screens? Lazyness? And also, alternate costumes are absolutely awesome for me, but... what's the point if all I'll ever see of them is my character's back, since 95% of the cutscenes in games are prerendered? I think the PS2 was way better with this stuff, and that was like... 10 years ago.

Chip Cheezum
Sep 5, 2006

Sic Parvis Magna and all that
Blu-rays are pretty drat slow and Naughty Dog really likes to hide loading times so that you never ever see them. Remember how long it takes to load Uncharted 2 right at the beginning? It'd be like that every cutscene if they weren't pre-rendered.

jabro
Mar 25, 2003

July Mock Draft 2014

1st PLACE
RUNNER-UP
got the knowshon


Can we keep any Unchartered talk to that thread, please. I don't want to stay away from two threads until I beat the game next week.

SamBishop
Jan 10, 2003

Krad posted:

Sounds like it's pretty much the same as in U2. I wish developers would stop using prerendered scenes, it takes me away from the game for some reason. It was fine back in the PSX days when you just couldn't make it look THAT good, but nowadays, what's their excuse? Lack of space? Hiding loading screens? Lazyness? And also, alternate costumes are absolutely awesome for me, but... what's the point if all I'll ever see of them is my character's back, since 95% of the cutscenes in games are prerendered? I think the PS2 was way better with this stuff, and that was like... 10 years ago.

It's mostly to mask loading screens, as the whole game is streamed without an install (at least a permanent one). They've done a good job of keeping the differences to a minimum. There's a slightly better set of textures being used, I'm pretty sure, but that's about it. Even the shadow maps are the same resolution, so it's rendered in-engine with slightly better resources.

Make no mistake, there are moments where the game will transition to real-time and you'll still think it's pre-rendered. It's that convincing. MLAA is crazy rear end poo poo when it comes to smoothing out edges; it's the same stuff they used in God of War III.

Chip Cheezum posted:

Blu-rays are pretty drat slow and Naughty Dog really likes to hide loading times so that you never ever see them. Remember how long it takes to load Uncharted 2 right at the beginning? It'd be like that every cutscene if they weren't pre-rendered.

Believe it or not, U3 actually takes longer to start up on first boot. It's fine after that, but it's a pretty meaty setup period.

Ein Bear
Mar 26, 2010

Oh Sirrah, how deliciously absurd!
I have nothing against pre-rendered cutscenes, I just wish they didn't always use that lovely Bink codec which compresses the hell out of everything. Blu-Ray discs are massive, I shouldn't be seeing artifacting on a PS3 game.

Krad
Feb 4, 2008

Touche
I'd rather have a loading screen and slightly worse looking cutscenes any day.

Ein Bear posted:

I have nothing against pre-rendered cutscenes, I just wish they didn't always use that lovely Bink codec which compresses the hell out of everything. Blu-Ray discs are massive, I shouldn't be seeing artifacting on a PS3 game.

Blame multiplatform game models... I think?

SamBishop
Jan 10, 2003

Ein Bear posted:

I have nothing against pre-rendered cutscenes, I just wish they didn't always use that lovely Bink codec which compresses the hell out of everything. Blu-Ray discs are massive, I shouldn't be seeing artifacting on a PS3 game.

Bink is honestly the least-maintained, shittiest codec I've seen in a long, long time, but it's multiplatform, comes as part of a volume license from RAD Game Tools and people don't really complain enough (I do, certainly, so I feel your pain). Unfortunately, for as long as multi-platform games have DVD-9 (or the even more gimped version MS uses for 360 discs), devs will keep parity for video quality save for very, very rare occasions. It's one less asset they have to keep track of, and for stuff like digital distribution, it of course literally saves money to have a smaller overall file size.

Thankfully, I don't think it'll be as big an issue next gen... the generation right before we go pure digital and movies are over-compressed again. At least it'll be a better codec.

evilalien
Jul 29, 2005

Knowledge is born from Curiosity.

Krad posted:

Blame multiplatform game models... I think?

Bink is used a lot for the low CPU cost for decoding video which allows you to do whatever you need to while the video is playing; usually loading the next area.

...!
Oct 5, 2003

I SHOULD KEEP MY DUMB MOUTH SHUT INSTEAD OF SPEWING HORSESHIT ABOUT THE ORBITAL MECHANICS OF THE JAMES WEBB SPACE TELESCOPE.

CAN SOMEONE PLEASE TELL ME WHAT A LAGRANGE POINT IS?

Yechezkel posted:

Bluray disc version of Back to the Future The Game has a platinum trophy. It's also a different trophy list from the PSN episodes.

That has to be the easiest game to get a platinum now.

Other than the platinum the trophies look the same to me. :confused:

Dads Dip Cup
Aug 13, 2009

Grimey Drawer

...! posted:

Other than the platinum the trophies look the same to me. :confused:

Same trophies, different point values. Some of the gold/silver trophies were re-adjusted to bronze.

Also it counts as a separate entry on your trophy list so theoretically you could double dip on it if you're down with that sort of thing :spergin:

VanillaGorilla
Oct 2, 2003

Has there been any word about the quality of Snowblind's LOTR game coming out next week? I loved Dark Alliance, etc., so I'm kinda hoping it'll be a sleeper hit!

Katana Gomai
Jan 14, 2007

"Thus," concluded Miyamoto, "you must give up everything you have to be my disciple."

Amazon.com reduced a whole bunch of games for Halloween, including Catherine (45$ regular, 60$ deluxe) and Dead Rising 2 (19$).

Iskanderson
Apr 16, 2009
So what are some games with local co-op or vs. that someone who has no real skill with video games will enjoy? Other than games like Scott Pilgrim or Castle Crashers, I mean. I've heard good things about Up and Lara Croft and the Guardian of Light.

whip
Apr 9, 2007

by Lowtax

Iskanderson posted:

So what are some games with local co-op or vs. that someone who has no real skill with video games will enjoy? Other than games like Scott Pilgrim or Castle Crashers, I mean. I've heard good things about Up and Lara Croft and the Guardian of Light.

Toro: Let's Party

ChetReckless
Sep 16, 2009

That is precisely the thing to do, Avatar.

Iskanderson posted:

So what are some games with local co-op or vs. that someone who has no real skill with video games will enjoy? Other than games like Scott Pilgrim or Castle Crashers, I mean. I've heard good things about Up and Lara Croft and the Guardian of Light.

This may not be a popular opinion, but I thought Deathspank was surprisingly fun played co-op with my girlfriend. It's drop-in-drop-out for the second player, and it's fairly low consequence -- i.e. she didn't have to worry too much about screwing anything up. She could just run around being helpful. It also helps break up some of the monotony of all the fetch-questing when you have someone else to roll around with.

Also, LittleBigPlanet doesn't necessarily take a ton of skill to play the early stuff.

Mug
Apr 26, 2005
Pre-rendered movie is used when the action needs to switch between different maps instantly, or just to totally different rooms without texture pop-in.

Artix
Apr 26, 2010

He's finally back,
to kick some tail!
And this time,
he's goin' to jail!
I'm playing Festival of Blood, and holy poo poo, please tell me there's some sort of flight power like Shadow Swarm in Infamous 2. Once I got that and Vampire Sense I literally spent two hours just going around and collecting everything because it was that convenient, rather than a huge pain in the rear end. Also, I really like how they do the trophies. Rather than tell you "Eh, go do *some arbitrary thing* 10 times," it's "If you do this 5 times, you'll get a new/upgraded power, and if you do it 5 more times, we'll toss a trophy your way."

Policenaut
Jul 11, 2008

On the moon... they don't make Neo Kobe Pizza.

whip posted:

Toro: Let's Party

poo poo, how did I forget this game exists. In English even! I have a Toro avatar I should own that game. gently caress!

Going to eBay right now to correct this fatal mistake.

The Flying Milton
Jan 18, 2005

SamBishop posted:

And for once there's no embargo! By all means, if anyone has any questions, ask away. I'm just now starting it (maybe an hour or so in), but it's difficult to use a controller when your brain has been blown out the back of your head.

How's the 3d? Does it suffer from a large graphical hit when you turn it on?

SpacePig
Apr 4, 2007

I'M FEELING JIMMY
Okabu is also a farily fun co-op thing, but it can be pretty frustrating at times. My friend and I have broken the game to the point we can no longer adavnace several times, but we're still having alot of fun with it, and it has a very cute style.

whip
Apr 9, 2007

by Lowtax

Policenaut posted:

poo poo, how did I forget this game exists. In English even! I have a Toro avatar I should own that game. gently caress!

Going to eBay right now to correct this fatal mistake.

It's a great buy. Should be cheap now and the minigames are cool

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Cartoon Man
Jan 31, 2004


Iskanderson posted:

So what are some games with local co-op.

Castlevania HD.

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