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Caufman posted:Economists do not measure the strength of an economy by its currency exchange rate. This is unlikely to tell you the long-run productive capacity of the economy. To be fair the 20th century democratic capitalist system did kill almost everybody and reduced the planet to a radioactive cinder, so it's not like there's no good reason to seek alternatives.
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Caufman posted:This is exactly why I cannot support the Legion. NCR is trying to return to the 20th century model of a democratic capitalist system, and it's running into many of the same problems with a wasteland twist. Legion on the other hand wants to return to that sunshiney time when people were kept as slaves, women were given as property to military commanders, and some bald dude ruled over everyone because he told them he's the son of a god. You do know that the 20th century model NCR trying to adopt and enforce caused a nuclear holocaust in the world and created the wasteland in the first place. I think Ceasar mentions or at least implies that he wants to establish a second Pax Romana not by destroying the NCR but absorbing it and turning it into a militarist super state ruled by him. Actually, i could have sided with Legion if they weren't that moustache twirly evil in both mind and action. Also, the original Rome was  'worthy moustache twirly if you think of it and the Legion pretty much copies everything from that.Edit: Beaten like bastard.
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Oct 31, 2011 18:16
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thebardyspoon posted:If you've got any turbo I think you can just take some of that and sprint over to the fence as quickly as possible, they stop shelling you when you're at the fence. Or you can duck behind a building while about eleven shells land around you and then run for it. Is there a good place to get Turbo? I think I need to cheese the hell out of this. Or 5 magazines so I can pick the train tunnel lock.
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Oct 31, 2011 18:17
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CommanderCoffee posted:Uh, the economy in which an Aureus is worth about 100 caps, and a Denarius, which is the lowest currency that the player knows of in Caesar's Legion, is worth 10 caps. Compared to the $100 NCR Buck being about 40 caps, well, either Caesar's economy is strong (due to the money being made out of precious metals, as opposed to backed by them), or the money has value due to its precious metal value. In any case, it's pretty much the most powerful economy in the Mojave wasteland when speaking in a pure unit-to-caps mentality. I have a bunch of legion money and haven't been able to unload it anywhere. Did I somehow get bugged money that is not letting me sell it or something, or do not all vendors take it?
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Oct 31, 2011 18:18
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Zorak posted:I have a bunch of legion money and haven't been able to unload it anywhere. Did I somehow get bugged money that is not letting me sell it or something, or do not all vendors take it? No everyone takes it. Including NCR commissaries 
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Oct 31, 2011 18:20
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robot roll call posted:Is there a good place to get Turbo? I think I need to cheese the hell out of this. Or 5 magazines so I can pick the train tunnel lock. Try Great Khans drug lab, the dude there sells Turbo and also you can get the crafting recipe for it if you do a mission for them. I think the drug dealer in Freeside sells too, also Gomorra bartenders according to wiki.
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Oct 31, 2011 18:21
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Zorak posted:I have a bunch of legion money and haven't been able to unload it anywhere. Did I somehow get bugged money that is not letting me sell it or something, or do not all vendors take it? If you need to do a currency exchange, use any of the casinos in the game. They will all give you chips for any of the currency types, and you can then exchange them back.
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Oct 31, 2011 18:24
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robot roll call posted:Is there a good place to get Turbo? I think I need to cheese the hell out of this. Or 5 magazines so I can pick the train tunnel lock. I always use Turbo for this bit and as far as I can remember you should only need one dose. Remember, you don't need to be at the gate for the shelling to stop, just near the gate itself.
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Oct 31, 2011 18:27
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Galewolf posted:You do know that the 20th century model NCR trying to adopt and enforce caused a nuclear holocaust in the world and created the wasteland in the first place. I think Ceasar mentions or at least implies that he wants to establish a second Pax Romana not by destroying the NCR but absorbing it and turning it into a militarist super state ruled by him. In keeping with the democratic peace theory, I would say the reason for the nuclear apocalypse was not democratic capitalism itself, but its inability to coexist with a totalitarian communist state. Similarly, the NCR and Caesar's Legion cannot coexist either. Thankfully, neither side has the destructive capability of the pre-war nations, but ultimately if I had to pick a side, I'm definitely going to go with the people who understand political, civil and economic freedom over the guys who dress up in football gear to crucify a bunch of people for running a brothel.
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Oct 31, 2011 18:29
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robot roll call posted:First playthrough of any Fallout game right now, I am loving it. I have some questions though. First, how the hell do I get into the Boomer's town? I got the page from the guy with the instructions but I am still getting the poo poo blown out of me every time. Best option? Hug the left-side cliff and run like hell to the fence. That's what I've done every time, and the most I've ever gotten is a crippled leg.
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Oct 31, 2011 18:29
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robot roll call posted:Is there a good place to get Turbo? I think I need to cheese the hell out of this. Or 5 magazines so I can pick the train tunnel lock. As for turbo, go to Red Rock Canyon, like the other posters have said. You'll likely be taking the road north of Goodsprings (cazadors) or south from outer South West Vegas (fiends). Once you get there, be sure to take the work Diane offers you - she'll offer you the recipe to make your own Turbo in repayment. Alternatively, if you've got a shitload of stimpaks, just hotkey them to wherever, then run like hell to the chainlink and heal your limbs whenever you need to.
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Oct 31, 2011 18:31
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Caufman posted:In keeping with the democratic peace theory, I would say the reason for the nuclear apocalypse was not democratic capitalism itself, but its inability to coexist with a totalitarian communist state. Similarly, the NCR and Caesar's Legion cannot coexist either. Thankfully, neither side has the destructive capability of the pre-war nations, but ultimately if I had to pick a side, I'm definitely going to go with the people who understand political, civil and economic freedom over the guys who dress up in football gear to crucify a bunch of people for running a brothel. Yeah the choice is pretty clear cut because as someone already mentioned couple of pages ago, no matter how hard you try as a gamer you'll be the person playing the game. I simply can't find myself siding with Legion Hegelian dialects or no. I do understand the appeal of the Legion to the tribals because it offers money, power, slaves and a reason to fight. As Ceasar states, pretty much he is the only one who believes in the Legion idea itself including the Legate. They believe in the Ceasar and the benefits of being a member of a murder-rape train. I don't think it is still clear that who attacked who first during the Great War but it hardly matters anyway, both sides were simply greedy fucks and now we have to live in a world looks and feels like the surface of Mars. Then again, the Legion itself feels like so much left out for the sake of time constraints and production budget so it is hardly a choice. 420 reverse pickpocket Ceasar a C4 errday.
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Oct 31, 2011 18:46
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Acebuckeye13 posted:Best option? Hug the left-side cliff and run like hell to the fence. That's what I've done every time, and the most I've ever gotten is a crippled leg. "god drat it [stimpack] [stimpack] there has to be a [stimpack] [stimpack] [stimpack] better way to [stimpack] [stimpack] [stimpack] do this" - me, every single time
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Oct 31, 2011 18:55
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Yeah I hugged the cliff too, tried to time it between shellings. It was weird, I paid the guy for his "tips" but they were completely useless. I don't know if that's a bug with the event or just the developers being assholes.
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Oct 31, 2011 19:01
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The basement of Nipton Town Hall has two Turbos are well. If you don't have a high enough lockpick skill to pick the lock, the key is behind the counter to your right as you first walk in, but be careful, there's a mine hidden under a corpse. But yeah, hugging the cliff and popping a turbo is the best way to get to the Boomers.
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Oct 31, 2011 19:01
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One tiny caveat: Unless you're rolling with Logan's Loophole, turbo addiction is easy to get and can really loving suck if you're a shooty/melee/sneaky character. Bring some fixer.
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Oct 31, 2011 19:13
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notZaar posted:Yeah I hugged the cliff too, tried to time it between shellings. It was weird, I paid the guy for his "tips" but they were completely useless. I don't know if that's a bug with the event or just the developers being assholes. The tip works great. What you do is run left towards the first ruined house. Hide in the corner closest to the chain link fence (so they can't see you?). After the shelling ends (I believe 11 shells) you run to the next nearest house. This one is a little annoying, since the door is partially filled in with ruble, so you have to jump over a wall. After another round of shelling, run towards the fence while hugging the cliff wall. You'll make it to the fence without getting hit once! Edit: Watch this video! It actually isn't the way I do it, but it seems to work. There are a dozen videos showing ways through the artillery fire. No one should have to resort to Turbo with resources like this. Assumethisisreal fucked around with this message at 19:33 on Oct 31, 2011 |
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Oct 31, 2011 19:26
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Oct 31, 2011 19:36
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I never had issues getting to the Boomers. The houses with intact walls make pretty great shelter, the shells will hit really close by you but you won't get hurt. ...best to leave your companions behind on hardcore mode, though. They can't hide.
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Oct 31, 2011 19:51
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I just began a new game a few days ago. I wandered over to the Hidden Valley with Arcade as my traveling companion, only to have the Brotherhood of Steel open fire on us almost immediately. Are the Brotherhood of Steel supposed to already know about Arcade's past affiliations or did I just encounter a bug?
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Fury Gagarin posted:I just began a new game a few days ago. I wandered over to the Hidden Valley with Arcade as my traveling companion, only to have the Brotherhood of Steel open fire on us almost immediately. Are the Brotherhood of Steel supposed to already know about Arcade's past affiliations or did I just encounter a bug? Was it at night? Supposedly there's a constantly-hostile patrol going around at nighttime. I've never seen them personally though. If not, it was a bug, they don't have issues with any companions.
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Oct 31, 2011 19:52
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Acebuckeye13 posted:Best option? Hug the left-side cliff and run like hell to the fence. That's what I've done every time, and the most I've ever gotten is a crippled leg.
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No, this was in the middle of the day, which was weird, since I know they don't come out at that time unless you're doing a BoS quest with Veronica, since they just show up the moment you leave the bunker. I should also probably point out that neither of us were wearing faction armor (so no NCR, Legion or Enclave stuff).
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Oct 31, 2011 19:59
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Fury Gagarin posted:I just began a new game a few days ago. I wandered over to the Hidden Valley with Arcade as my traveling companion, only to have the Brotherhood of Steel open fire on us almost immediately. Are the Brotherhood of Steel supposed to already know about Arcade's past affiliations or did I just encounter a bug? Do you have any faction gear on you? I think BoS is hostile to pretty much everyone with a faction tag (NCR,Legion, Powder Gangers, Khans...). I always forget to unequip my First Recon Assault armor and greeted with a Gauss Rifle shot in the head when i enter the bunker. It might be Arcade though but most likely you have some faction gear on you that doesn't have faction name like vanilla Riot Gear.
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Oct 31, 2011 20:02
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No, I had on some reinforced leather armor and Arcade just had his default lab coat on. At this point, I'd think it's safe to assume that bringing Arcade along just makes them hostile.
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Fury Gagarin posted:No, I had on some reinforced leather armor and Arcade just had his default lab coat on. At this point, I'd think it's safe to assume that bringing Arcade along just makes them hostile. That's a Followers lab coat he wears, I think. BoS hates the Followers.
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Oct 31, 2011 20:14
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Caufman posted:In keeping with the democratic peace theory, I would say the reason for the nuclear apocalypse was not democratic capitalism itself, but its inability to coexist with a totalitarian communist state.
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ClearAirTurbulence posted:That's a Followers lab coat he wears, I think. BoS hates the Followers. He doesn't make them hostile, though. At least, he never has for me, I dragged him along for the whole of the Brotherhood questline. I'd say it's a bug and nothing to do with Arcade.
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robot roll call posted:Is there a good place to get Turbo? I think I need to cheese the hell out of this. Or 5 magazines so I can pick the train tunnel lock. As other posters have said, hug the left cliff wall. I've done this every time and even on hard difficulty on hardcore at lvl 4 or 5 never even been crippled. Best way to do it I've found is to stop moving when shelling starts, and crouch up against the cliff. You should only have to stop twice: once before you pass the ruined houses (near a car wreck, careful it can explode), and once just past the houses (make sure the cliff is between you and the base). If you have high agility you can even skip the second hiding spot - they might get 1 shot off at you from the second volley before you're close enough that they stop firing.
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eating only apples posted:He doesn't make them hostile, though. At least, he never has for me, I dragged him along for the whole of the Brotherhood questline. I'd say it's a bug and nothing to do with Arcade. Your avatar clearly says that you are biased on that comment  (j/k of course and yeah that sounds like a terrible bug)
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I'm kinda new to the Fallout lore, but here's a dumb question which I think probably gets asked a lot. New Vegas takes place in 2281, how come everything feels like the 1950's only with huge convoluted machines like explosive atomic cars and clunky robots? I like the style, because its quite refreshing from other games that take place 'in the future'. But how is everything still all old fashioned? My guess is the Great War, but that started in 2077 and even then that's over 100 years from 1950. Also looks like I'm going to reinstall this and maybe play as some hotshot gunslinger.
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Fallout's basically an alternate reality where the fifties never ended.
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Avocadoes posted:I'm kinda new to the Fallout lore, but here's a dumb question which I think probably gets asked a lot. New Vegas takes place in 2281, how come everything feels like the 1950's only with huge convoluted machines like explosive atomic cars and clunky robots? I like the style, because its quite refreshing from other games that take place 'in the future'. But how is everything still all old fashioned? My guess is the Great War, but that started in 2077 and even then that's over 100 years from 1950. Fallout is set in an alternate universe that diverged from ours sometime in the first half of the 20th century. The point of divergence isn't clear, but there's some backstory from the various Fallout bibles that indicates that the transistor was not invented until the 2060s or 2070s. When the war started, computer hardware technology was at about the 1980 level, though software was much more developed, AIs existed but they were mostly housed in building-sized computers made of extremely tiny vacuum tubes. Nuclear technology did progress, and controlled fusion had been a consumer technology for decades when the war started, along with radiation treatment technology (every auto mechanic would keep Rad-Away in their toolbox because they work with leaky atomic reactors all day). The nation is significantly more centralized than the real world USA, divided into thirteen districts, and there had been a cold war going on with China for a long time. ClearAirTurbulence fucked around with this message at 21:11 on Oct 31, 2011 |
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You could also say that Fallout takes place in the pulpy Sci-Fi future that the people of the 50s would have imagined. Kind of like how we imagine future culture in Star Trek to be a lot like our own, just a little jazzed up with fantastical technology.
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Avocadoes posted:I'm kinda new to the Fallout lore, but here's a dumb question which I think probably gets asked a lot. New Vegas takes place in 2281, how come everything feels like the 1950's only with huge convoluted machines like explosive atomic cars and clunky robots? I like the style, because its quite refreshing from other games that take place 'in the future'. But how is everything still all old fashioned? My guess is the Great War, but that started in 2077 and even then that's over 100 years from 1950. Pretty much the base premise of Fallout is "Let's take what the people of 1955 thought 2077 was going to be like, then blow it all up and set the game a hundred years afterwards."
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I got through and did all their quests, thanks for the advice! Now the NCR is telling me to go get jobs at the Hoover Dam, which I understand is the endgame. Should I avoid those for now, or will it tell me when I reach the point of no return? I still have a lot of outstanding stuff with Yes-Man and the whole hunting Benny into Legion territory thing. Among what I am sure is a poo poo ton of other stuff.
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Tubgirl Cosplay posted:To be fair the 20th century democratic capitalist system did kill almost everybody and reduced the planet to a radioactive cinder, so it's not like there's no good reason to seek alternatives. It's a recreation of 20th Century America, but unlike America it doesn't exist in a relatively stable globalized world. It exists all by itself in an utterly anarchic world. The NCR is just one economic downturn, and one popular uprising from collapsing back into nothing, for instance. From Caesar's perspective, neither the whims of the people, or the greed of the Brahmin barons are what's needed to safely cultivate what the NCR has built. He attribute's the NCR's success to the strong 52 year presidency of Tandi, and feels democratic or plutocratic rule will just aimlessly waste what the NCR built.
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robot roll call posted:Should I avoid those for now, or will it tell me when I reach the point of no return? If I remember, there was a nice huge popup before the final missions that said once you start them, there's no going back. So you should be alright up to that point.
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Hey my Fallout New Vegas just downloaded something in Steam, was this a patch? Can't seem to find any info about it.
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Berk Berkly posted:You could also say that Fallout takes place in the pulpy Sci-Fi future that the people of the 50s would have imagined. Kind of like how we imagine future culture in Star Trek to be a lot like our own, just a little jazzed up with fantastical technology. Our current vision of the future is boring as gently caress in comparison.
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