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Radio Paranoia posted:That's a really strange perspective. I agree that the chatlogs do a lot to characterise the characters, but each of the troll's individual typing quirks can also be adapted to their clothes. Their outfits are varied enough that even to the casual observer, they should be able to tell the difference between say, Vriska and Feferi, or Karkat and Equius. The problem (other than the fact that a lot of cosplayers are lazy bums and the majority of troll cosplay defaults to "black wig, black shirt, gray skin, horns") is that it's not a matter of being able to differentiate between two characters, it's a matter of being able to pick out individual characters from among a crowd of similar ones. If we had only ever had the 4 initial trolls outside observers would probably have been able to keep track of "normal guy, normal girl, red glasses girl, giant horns mohawk guy", but with all twelve (plus whatever goofy batshit variations cosplayers come up with) it's no great surprise that they wind up being one big blur to some people.
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Gabriel Pope posted:plus whatever goofy batshit variations cosplayers come up with Please don't tell me people cosplay their fantrolls... They do, don't they? 
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Oct 31, 2011 15:26
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Radio Paranoia posted:Please don't tell me people cosplay their fantrolls... I don't know if this is a fantroll or what, but I saw this one at the most recent Otakon and couldn't quite figure out who she was supposed to be. 
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Oct 31, 2011 15:41
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Kakumei posted:I don't know if this is a fantroll or what, but I saw this one at the most recent Otakon and couldn't quite figure out who she was supposed to be. Looks like some variant on a female Eridan. Why the gently caress do I know this
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Radio Paranoia posted:Please don't tell me people cosplay their fantrolls... You have to ask?  I haven't even seen one, yet I know they're out there. If people will make their own fantroll, and they will cosplay real ones... The only saving grace is that the retarded fantroll horns some people come up with probably aren't easy to make. Hopefully. Maybe. [Edit] Welp ^^^
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Kakumei posted:I don't know if this is a fantroll or what, but I saw this one at the most recent Otakon and couldn't quite figure out who she was supposed to be. I'm not sure if this is what that particular cosplayer was going for, but my first thought upon seeing that outfit was "Batterwitch".
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Oct 31, 2011 15:50
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Oxygen Deficiency posted:I'm not sure if this is what that particular cosplayer was going for, but my first thought upon seeing that outfit was "Batterwitch". I think you meant "Butterwitch".
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I'll admit, I've briefly entertained the notion of dressed up as a troll for Halloween or something like that. But I don't have the hair to match any of the girls, I don't really have anything in the way of good props,  and it would make me be an enormous tool forever. Anybody stupid enough to dress up as a fantroll deserves to be punched on sight, though.
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I can't stop watching Cascade. The whole section from Rose and Dave going into Derse until zooming in on Alternia and Slick/Snowman's showdown is fantastic. The art, animation and music during the splitting of the tumor evoke this feeling of how alien what they (and we) are witnessing. I guess that would be my easy mode response. Hard mode, off the top of my head, Dave and Equius' rap battle.
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Radio Paranoia posted:I think you meant "Butterwitch". Well to be fair, batter is made with lots of butter, flour, eggs, sugar, and usually even more unhealthy stuff, THEREFORE,  Lord of Laughton posted:I can't stop watching Cascade. The whole section from Rose and Dave going into Derse until zooming in on Alternia and Slick/Snowman's showdown is fantastic. The art, animation and music during the splitting of the tumor evoke this feeling of how alien what they (and we) are witnessing. I feel the same way about it. I watched it many many times already. I just love the way concepts are related visually, like the example you cited and everything. It's just a really, really well-done flash, even if the nitty-gritty technical details of the animation itself aren't amazing. The overall effect is what gets me so much. I've also been listening to Volume 8 in order on repeat pretty much since it came out. I normally would have started mixing it back up by now, but this time, I like the arrangement enough to just let it go through the whole thing in order. I only took out Airtime and Arcade Thunder for being kinda boring and How Do I Live for being, well... How Do I Live.  It's been a good week for Homestuck, that's for sure.
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Someone's already said this, but the first page that elevated Homestuck in my mind from "meh, it's okay but Problem Sleuth was better" to "wait a second, this might actually be good" was the first Strife page with John and Dad. I've always had a soft spot for really well-done chiptunes, and Showtime pretty much blew my mind (my favorite by now is probably Pumpkin Cravings of course  ).Hard mode would probably be Gamzee sobering up. I liked him before as a throwaway chill motherfucker and the only likeable juggalo found anywhere in life or fiction, and he remained my favorite character even after we found out what he's like after the pie wears off. It was a really great way to introduce a new threat to the trolls (since Eridan never counted as one) and to keep Gamzee relevant. I think I'm pretty much alone in having this opinion, but I don't mind. gently caress the haters.  That said I'm STILL not sure how I feel about him being the one to get moirailed instead of Vriska. Not that I was her hugest fan for most of her existence, of course, but she really could have gotten her showboating rear end calmed right the gently caress down just as easily as Gamzee had. All it would have taken is Kanaya finding her on that roof instead of Terezi, and she was much closer to redemption than Gamzee was or is. loquacius fucked around with this message at 18:05 on Oct 31, 2011 |
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Lord of Laughton posted:I can't stop watching Cascade. The whole section from Rose and Dave going into Derse until zooming in on Alternia and Slick/Snowman's showdown is fantastic. The art, animation and music during the splitting of the tumor evoke this feeling of how alien what they (and we) are witnessing. I can't stop listening to Cascade. Black Rose / Green Sun and Savior of the Dreaming Dead were already good songs but Cascade is just great.
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Oct 31, 2011 18:27
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Oct 31, 2011 18:39
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loquacius posted:That said I'm STILL not sure how I feel about him being the one to get moirailed instead of Vriska. Not that I was her hugest fan for most of her existence, of course, but she really could have gotten her showboating rear end calmed right the gently caress down just as easily as Gamzee had. All it would have taken is Kanaya finding her on that roof instead of Terezi, and she was much closer to redemption than Gamzee was or is.
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Oct 31, 2011 19:00
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JT Jag posted:Kanaya had her chance, after the showdown, to get Vriska to calm the gently caress down and play nice. In the end, Vriska's impulse to get her fight on against Jack was just too strong, though. It wasn't just her impulse. She'd spent so long planning out this encounter that she felt obligated to go along with it even when alternatives started presenting themselves and she no longer personally felt like seeing her plans through. That's part of what I liked about her character arc's conclusion - after spending so much time with ALL THE IRONS in ALL THE FIRES and manipulating events to make her appear to be the driving force behind everything, Vriska's plans get so huge and inevitable that they co-opt even her in the end, and lead to her undoing.
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The pre-Scratch/post-Scratch stuff shouldn't be so hard. Yes, the hard reset has occurred. However, the pre-Scratch universe still existed, and things which left it before the reset have a coherent history going back into that pre-Scratch world. No contradiction there. From the perspective of paradox space, there are two Earths now, pre-Scratch and post-Scratch. Jack destroyed the pre-Scratch universe pretty far into its life. He hasn't touched the post-Scratch universe yet. If you're wondering where the frog with the new universe is, you're still not thinking with the tools the story has given us. It's the *same universe* with a different history starting at another point. Thus, you can think of the post-Scratch universe as a new history for the same genesis frog. It is a second history, a new alpha timeline distinct from the old one.
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That is the most logical view of the events and how they relate to each other, but I guess I just really feel the need to see it visually confirmed in the comic itself. That is, that the the scratch has literally revived Bilious Slick. That he was killed but that only affected the universe's timeline at the very end is probably a given, but what the scratch has explicitly done with regards to Bilious Slick's current life/death status I'm not sure is completely clear just yet. But I do think what you have said is the correct interpretation of the events. I'm also really curious how there might have been some potential interference from the post-scratch universe into the pre-scratch universe, I don't think the mechanics of such a phenomenon have been explored yet. I'm talking about things like Jade's penpal mostly, assuming it is Grandpa Harley. I guess we also need to see how the broken Deringer, Echidna's Quills, Ahab's Crosshairs, and Zillyhoo wind up in J's hands as well.
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voting third party posted:I can't stop listening to Cascade. Black Rose / Green Sun and Savior of the Dreaming Dead were already good songs but Cascade is just great. It should be noted that apparently the version of Black Rose / Green Sun heard during [S]Cascade was remixed heavily enough that it's considered its own song and is listed as Black Hole / Green Sun. But yes, both versions are fantastic. I especially love the crescendos in the remix, particularly the strings that play over Rose and Dave's god tier reveal.
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loquacius posted:That said I'm STILL not sure how I feel about him being the one to get moirailed instead of Vriska. Not that I was her hugest fan for most of her existence, of course, but she really could have gotten her showboating rear end calmed right the gently caress down just as easily as Gamzee had. All it would have taken is Kanaya finding her on that roof instead of Terezi, and she was much closer to redemption than Gamzee was or is. Not necessarily; Kanaya's tried to reason with Vriska before and it hasn't worked, and it's possible that Karkat's shooshing efforts may have been bolstered by his title as the Knight of Blood. From Greek medical humor theory we get the word "sanguine", which literally means "bloody" but which is more commonly used to describe a chill, content demeanor; maybe Karkat's Hero of Blood power is DOING THE SHOOSHY THING.
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Oct 31, 2011 20:01
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Gabriel Pope posted:Not necessarily; Kanaya's tried to reason with Vriska before and it hasn't worked, and it's possible that Karkat's shooshing efforts may have been bolstered by his title as the Knight of Blood. From Greek medical humor theory we get the word "sanguine", which literally means "bloody" but which is more commonly used to describe a chill, content demeanor; maybe Karkat's Hero of Blood power is DOING THE SHOOSHY THING.
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Zoolooman posted:If you're wondering where the frog with the new universe is, you're still not thinking with the tools the story has given us. It's the *same universe* with a different history starting at another point. Thus, you can think of the post-Scratch universe as a new history for the same genesis frog. Though I guess that's not an issue if he destroyed it in the same was as our universe- during the exiles' time. It still feels kind of odd though- a new universe with billions of years of history, but we already know how it's been destroyed and powers the Green Sun. Time shenanigans!
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You're not thinking about this given the tools at hand. He destroyed the universe in the pre-Scratch timeline. The Scratch creates a second, new, divergent timeline. It is to be seen whether or not Jack manages to destroy the universe in its new history, since the device likely didn't send him to the Medium in its post-Scratch timeline.
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Zoolooman posted:You're not thinking about this given the tools at hand. Exactly. If Dave gets killed, is Dave dead? Not the one we actually care about, certainly. I'd guess much the same applies here, though for slightly different reasons. Gabriel Pope posted:Not necessarily; Kanaya's tried to reason with Vriska before and it hasn't worked, and it's possible that Karkat's shooshing efforts may have been bolstered by his title as the Knight of Blood. From Greek medical humor theory we get the word "sanguine", which literally means "bloody" but which is more commonly used to describe a chill, content demeanor; maybe Karkat's Hero of Blood power is DOING THE SHOOSHY THING. I thought sanguine referred to a fiery passionate person? Which Karkat clearly is, so it would still work, if differently. Renaissance Robot fucked around with this message at 20:41 on Oct 31, 2011 |
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Zoolooman posted:You're not thinking about this given the tools at hand. But its only Pre/Post-Scratch on the inside, Jack is now outside of the universe so why should that matter to him? I guess it really matters if the scratch just rewrites the frog or creates a new one. In my opinion, the universe is doomed at a certain time but like others said, the universe still has a history. All the events until Jack kills BSlick will be different.
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Zoolooman posted:You're not thinking about this given the tools at hand. It's the same reason why if the new universe has new iterations of the kids, it will not affect the kids who were able to escape the scratch.
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Nate RFB posted:Wait, no that doesn't make sense. Jack is "already here." "Here" being in the Trolls' incipisphere where the universe's Bilious Slick resided. He does not cease to exist at that location no more than the kids cease to exist. The scratch of the kids' universe shouldn't affect any timeline other than the universe's, meaning the troll universe, troll incipisphere, furthest ring, etc. are all unaffected. Jack does not need to be sent into the medium again because, again, he is already there. If we're going to be dealing with Lord English inside the new universe, the destruction of the new universe is presumably still going to be a prerequisite. It's kind of elegant when you think about it; if English & co. are indeed trying to get into Earth's universe, they've already set up the summoning requirement. Lord English might not even need an alternate-universe Doc Scratch to effect his summoning in Earth now. Renaissance Robot posted:I thought sanguine referred to a fiery passionate person? Which Karkat clearly is, so it would still work, if differently. I think that's more what choleric is supposed to be. At least if we're talking about Karkat-esque fiery passionate and really loving pissed. Anyhow I'd still be kind of reluctant to read too much into this bullshit. the holy poopacy fucked around with this message at 20:55 on Oct 31, 2011 |
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Lord of Laughton posted:I can't stop watching Cascade. The whole section from Rose and Dave going into Derse until zooming in on Alternia and Slick/Snowman's showdown is fantastic. The art, animation and music during the splitting of the tumor evoke this feeling of how alien what they (and we) are witnessing. Completely agree, I can't believe how well done that was, I'm still in shock. I love how he uses the backgrounds and the resizing flash window to really give depth to the animation. Truly a masterpiece of flash video. On another note: For me, Easy Mode is probably (other than Cascade) WV: Ascend, not because it's the best flash, but because it marked the moment I realized that Homestuck was no ordinary web comic and that this was going to be a hell of a ride. Hard Mode? Probably this entire chat log. I dont think I have ever laughed so hard in my life. The characterization is just perfect.
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I do think you're being a bit more definite than there is grounds to be, Zoolooman. We have very little evidence on what a universe's different timelines mean for outside observers hanging out near its frog. The trolls being unable to communicate with beta timeline kids doesn't necessarily count - the nature of the Scratch is different, and in any case we don't know exactly why that is. I think it's probably an unavoidable consequence of the nature of things, but it could also just be because Sollux had a hard enough time tuning Trollian into the alpha timeline. Given how strongly the pre-scratch kids' alpha timeline and the post-scratch trolls' alpha timeline are intertwined, I think you might well be right, but it isn't a sure thing.
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The story goes out of its way to explain that there are multiple timelines and that a scratch makes a new, alternate one. If there are further interactions or stipulations, we are yet to see them. When they occur, we can amend our knowledge. Until then, what I've said is what the story has given us.
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JT Jag posted:Kanaya had her chance, after the showdown, to get Vriska to calm the gently caress down and play nice. In the end, Vriska's impulse to get her fight on against Jack was just too strong, though. ...No? She had her chance after the showdown, then didn't bother.
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Zoolooman posted:The story goes out of its way to explain that there are multiple timelines and that a scratch makes a new, alternate one. If there are further interactions or stipulations, we are yet to see them. When they occur, we can amend our knowledge. Until then, what I've said is what the story has given us. The point where people are disagreeing is that inside the frog and outside the frog are separate timeline bundles. The scratch makes a new in-frog alpha timeline. What does that mean outside the frog? Search me. You're suggesting that it creates an entire new meta-timeline where the frog itself did not originate in the troll session, or that it wholly or partly resets the troll session as well, or something of the kind. It's certainly an option, but it also is not part of what the story has explicitly given us. King of Solomon posted:...No? She had her chance after the showdown, then didn't bother. I don't think she even knew Vriska was going to do something as stupid as going after Jack directly.
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Hamiltonian Bicycle posted:I don't think she even knew Vriska was going to do something as stupid as going after Jack directly. At that point, she might not have even cared (well, beyond the consequences of Vriska's choice, obviously.)
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Zoolooman posted:You're not thinking about this given the tools at hand. It's like how the Dave that became Davesprite could travel back from a doomed timeline and still exist in the alpha timeline. Doesn't matter that time's been rewritten, he is already here. And just look at it this way, if there's a new timeline where Jack doesn't exist and doesn't destroy the universe... and if there's only one Universe Frog in the Trolls session... then the reset would mean Bilious Slick was fine, and that would reset the existence of the Green Sun!
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Considering that Jack's attack on Bilious Slick didn't occur in universe time until hundreds of years after all life on Earth was destroyed, there's plenty of time for the time in universe to be reversed and play out again before Slick's attack gets there. Assuming that's even something that's relevant. I doubt it is since then English wouldn't have a nice new universe to play with (or would he????).
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King of Solomon posted:At that point, she might not have even cared (well, beyond the consequences of Vriska's choice, obviously.) At this point she'll curbstomp anything that tries to gently caress with her anyway.
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My hard mode choice is a simple one, but I really like everything from this to this. It's a really simple string of images, but the sense of scale it represents blew my mind when I first saw it. As an introduction to Feferi's character, it kinda blew my mind a little at a point when my interest was starting to wane - Hivebent was a rough ride and the huge text dumps were hard to penetrate, and this managed to convince me it was worth sticking with. My easy mode choice is [S] ACT 5 ACT 2 ==>. The music is one of my favorite tracks, and the way it all slowly culminates as Karkat goes through a range of emotions before finally settling on kismisetude. It's sweet, and its placement right at the start of act 5 part 2 is the perfect way of tying the trolls stories and the kids stories together.
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Ice_Mallet posted:Wasn't Dream Cal able to move by himself? Is that a property of Derse/Dave's fear or can Cal actually do that wherever? Just a part that confused me. Cal can only move when nobody is looking at him. 
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Gabriel Pope posted:Not necessarily; Kanaya's tried to reason with Vriska before and it hasn't worked, and it's possible that Karkat's shooshing efforts may have been bolstered by his title as the Knight of Blood. From Greek medical humor theory we get the word "sanguine", which literally means "bloody" but which is more commonly used to describe a chill, content demeanor; maybe Karkat's Hero of Blood power is DOING THE SHOOSHY THING.
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