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FreelanceSocialist posted:The Nissan Leaf seems to function correctly, though. I don't think the Leaf has a CVT, it's connected directly to the electric motor (or maybe a single speed gearbox on the motor). I assumed the Prius was some special Japanese version that came with a stick shift but I don't know if such a thing even exists.
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OK so I've finally progressed from racing World Tour, Events and Rivals to actual online racing but I can't seem to not crash and I was hoping some goons could critique my driving here: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ncJui49hd4E
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Nov 9, 2011 07:21
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You should've been braking earlier in order to apex that turn at the end. Try getting hit by an H1 next time.
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Nov 9, 2011 07:25
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I made my very own "art car".
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Nov 9, 2011 07:32
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General Probe posted:OK so I've finally progressed from racing World Tour, Events and Rivals to actual online racing but I can't seem to not crash and I was hoping some goons could critique my driving here: When you have a damaged car, watch your mirrors and make room for faster cars.
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Nov 9, 2011 08:01
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Just found this. Looks interesting, but the deadline is soon. http://forums.forzamotorsport.net/forums/permalink/4980372/4980372/ShowThread.aspx#4980372 quote:Now that I have some free time on my hands I am going to vegas and I'm taking 15 of you with me. I'll make sure i get you some gambling money. I'm in.
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Minimaul posted:I made my very own "art car". Ceci n'est pas une artcar
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Nov 9, 2011 08:07
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Cutie Pie Swag~
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vjee32 posted:When you have a damaged car, watch your mirrors and make room for faster cars. What about cars that try to pass me despite being ahead of me?
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Nov 9, 2011 09:30
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Jabs posted:Just found this. Looks interesting, but the deadline is soon.
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Nov 9, 2011 09:33
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General Probe posted:What about cars that try to pass me despite being ahead of me? Work on your drafting technique.
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Nov 9, 2011 10:16
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This would be about 3 times better if matte paint was an option.
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Nov 9, 2011 10:25
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For the guys asking about CVTs having gears in manual mode: that's a real thing. Left to its own devices in "D", a CVT will whine away and be fiddle free. Put into sport or manual mode, the gearbox's control unit adds artificial shift points to simulate a traditional flappy-paddle gearbox, allowing for a more interactive, sportier driving experience. The Lexus CT200h and Prius share the same drivetrain, and in neither case is a manual mode an option. The Volt, Tesla and Leaf are electrically driven and are direct drive. Why Turn10 chose to implement things that aren't there is only for them to know, I guess. Right up there with why Forza has automatic-only cars with clutches, TVRs that don't actually kill you, and Audis that are reliable. These factual inaccuracies make us the laughing stock of Gran Turismo fanboys. But at least our cars don't sound like modified vacuum cleaners.
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Nov 9, 2011 10:43
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General Probe posted:OK so I've finally progressed from racing World Tour, Events and Rivals to actual online racing but I can't seem to not crash and I was hoping some goons could critique my driving here:
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Nov 9, 2011 11:39
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Still finished 3rd despite being above 80% in almost all damage categories. 
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Nov 9, 2011 11:53
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Turn 10 gifted me another RX-7 Spirit whatever. So now I have two and I can't auction or gift them cos they're unicorns :I I wish I could somehow turn it into the 2002 BMW M3-GTR
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Nov 9, 2011 12:53
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Yeah, I got another one a couple of hours ago. Any idea if this was some sort of VIP gift, or preorder bonus car? Because I got a Spirit R in Forza 3 for preordering and imported it. Would have been nice if it were one of the Forza 4 only cars.
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Nov 9, 2011 12:59
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Jarf posted:Turn 10 gifted me another RX-7 Spirit whatever. So now I have two and I can't auction or gift them cos they're unicorns :I But there's a section on the auction house dedicated to unicorns?
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Ak Gara posted:But there's a section on the auction house dedicated to unicorns? Only Turn 10 can put cars there. Their system of flagging cars for no sale or the stupid 100 CR for reward cars is bullshit and I wish they'd change it. Credit glitches are far more "damaging" to the economy than me making 20,000 credits for selling a piece of poo poo reward car.
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Nov 9, 2011 15:36
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xzzy posted:Only Turn 10 can put cars there. They made it way to easy to make money anyhow. For example, getting 100% free upgrades after level 4 affinity with a car company,(although I like it meaning something unlike the last game) and most of the level reward cars a pretuned to the highest PI of its stock version. So I can dick around and not buy a single car or upgrade and make it through all of the world tour. Dont get me wrong, I like me some forzabucks, but its a little obnoxious to have to set a car back to default and then buy the parts I actually want, even though at that point they are probably again free.
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Nov 9, 2011 18:40
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I'd be more OK with it if the pre-tuned reward cars weren't awful. I like everything else they did, though. The impression I get is that Forza 4 is built around hooning about with cars and having a good time, like you're supposed to just enjoy motorsport because it's so loving cool, instead of grinding for spacebucks or whatever. It's great, I love that they kept the simulation deep and the racing serious, but cut out all the bullshit that got in way of actually driving cars.
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FM4 is incredibly fun and the huge wealth of options given to you is great. It does something I really feel no other racing sim has done before, let you be the one in control. I've had more fun with FM4 in a week, then I did with GT5 in a year.
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Nov 9, 2011 18:59
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azflyboy posted:Has anyone else noticed that Forza 4 seems confused by hybrids? Sucks, because it completely wrecks the advantage of the CVT.
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Nov 9, 2011 19:34
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einTier posted:I think it was Audi that had to add "gears" to its CVT programming. People were complaining about how the transmission felt odd and that it sounded like it wanted to shift but never did, so they threw in some programming to make the CVT simulate actually having gears. I wonder if any other manufacturer has been forced to do the same. Reminds me of a story about electric cars adding recorded/simulated engine noises to warn pedestrians. The silence and cvt make the Tesla incredibly odd and challenging to drive in this game, by the way. It's fun as hell in real life though.
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Nov 9, 2011 19:37
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Pardon my unlimited ignorance, but how would you even go about simulating gear changes in a one speed transmission car anyway? Wouldn't the rate of wheel spin directly correspond to the RPMs of the engine at all times? Does the engine just kind of temporarily cut the power to the wheels and do some squirrely RPM rate song and dance or something before resuming back to exactly where it was before?
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Nov 9, 2011 19:42
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GreatGreen posted:Pardon my unlimited ignorance, but how would you even go about simulating gear changes in a one speed transmission car anyway? Wouldn't the rate of wheel spin directly correspond to the RPMs of the engine at all times? Does the engine just kind of temporarily cut the power to the wheels and do some squirrely RPM rate song and dance or something before resuming back to exactly where it was before? Instead of constantly varying, it picks a ratio and sticks with it until higher rpms and then switches to another ratio to imitate an upshift. So instead of switching between 6 gears, it has 6 set ratios that it just changes between. Just like Einteir pointed out, this negates the advantages almost completely of the CVT.
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Exactly, and technically speaking, it helps if you understand a bit about how CVTs work. Give this a read: http://auto.howstuffworks.com/cvt2.htm
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Come one, come all to the first of (N >= 1) Thursday Endurance Races! WHO: YOU!!! WHEN: Thursday, 10 November 2011, 3AM GMT (7PM PST/10PM EST), with warmup/practice starting 1 hour earlier. WHERE: Your Friendly Local XBOX Live Account!! WHAT? There has been some discussion of doing some longer races (that are not GTCC races) in the last few days. So, what the hell, I've (GT: JabsTheGoon) decided to give it a whirl! (I'm relatively new at this, so don't expect the polish you might expect otherwise.) This first week will be a one hour "Showroom Spec Miata" sprint at Laguna Seca. The car modification and setup rules are adapted as closely as possible from the NASA 'Showroom Spec Miata' rulebook. Warmup will be several 5 or 10 minute sessions. Patience and accuracy count! Non-incidental contact that results in upsetting a competitor's car (moves them off their racing line, requires corrective steering input to remain in control, etc.) will require a mandatory 'Drive-through' penalty on pit lane. Multiple contacts in the same lap will require multiple drive-throughs on consecutive laps. CAR: 1994 Mazda Miata PAINT: All cars shall have a 'quickie' custom Design applied consisting of at least the following. * A clearly visible one or two digit number between 00 and 99 on each door, and the hood. The Car Class (SM) is optional. * Toyo Tire sponsor decals. * Mazda and or Mazdaspeed sponsor decals. * (optional) I'll have a Something Awful 'sponsor sticker' available in my Storefront. It's there now, but I'll post it up as a freebie when I get home after work. ALLOWED MODIFICATIONS Car shall use stock parts in all locations EXCEPT: ENGINE Exhaust: Stock (OEM) or Street (Mazda Comp Exhaust) allowed Radiator and Oil Cooling: Stock, Sport, or Race PLATFORM AND HANDLING Brakes: Stock or Sport (Stainless brake lines) Shocks: Race Springs and Dampers: Race Anti-Roll Bars: F: Race R: Stock Chassis Reinforcement and Roll Cage: Race Weight Reduction: Race DRIVELINE Transmission: Race (See gear ratio requirements below) Clutch: Sport (ACT pressure plate) allowed Differential: Stock or Race: Final Drive ratio must be set to 4.30:1, Accel and Decel set to 50%. TIRES AND RIMS Wheels: Any 15" wheel EXCEPT: Stock Mazda wheels, Buddy Club P1 Racing QF, Dymag 9 Spoke, Holeshot (ALL), Konig After Burner, RS Watanabe Cyclone, TSW Trackstar 4, Volk RE30, Weld Magnum III. Tires: Race compound in 205/50R15 size. AERO AND APPEARANCE Aerodynamic Mods: Forza-branded Front Spoiler allowed. TUNING Alignment Limits - Do Not Exceed F: Camber -3.0*, Toe-in +0.2* (out), Caster +Max* R: Camber -2.5*, Toe-in -0.2* (in) Race Transmission Gear Ratio Requirements: 1st: 3.136 2nd: 1.888 3rd: 1.333 4th: 1.000 5th: 0.814 6th: 0.814 Required Springs F: 700# R: 300# Questions? Comments? Should I gently caress right the hell off? EDIT: I r prufread better. STOCK or STREET (not SPORT) Exhaust. It's cat removal, not headers. Derp. Kenny Rogers fucked around with this message at 00:23 on Dec 1, 2011 |
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TravBot posted:Reminds me of a story about electric cars adding recorded/simulated engine noises to warn pedestrians. The real world Volt actually has something like that. If you pull back on the turn signal stalk, it makes a fairly quiet chiming noise from the horn to warn/scare the crap out of pedestrians who don't notice the car. I've had the chance to drive a Volt a couple of times, and I was surprised that Turn10's version is louder than the real car. In the actual Volt, the electric motor is pretty much silent from the cabin, but there's a lot of road and wind noise at pretty much any speed, which is pretty much the exact opposite of the Forza Volt.
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You know, I think I partially invented the CVT in my head the other day before knowing that's how it worked. I think the basic line of thought was something like "if the more gears you have = the more precise control of where your engine revs are at X speed, what if you just utilized a sort of cone thing that constantly adjusts itself to make infinite gear ratios? Then you could always have max horsepower or max efficiency or anything in between at any time!" Of course this is a simple enough idea that I then wondered why I hadn't already heard of it before. Is there any reason why this type of system wouldn't work with a traditional gas powered car? GreatGreen fucked around with this message at 21:11 on Nov 9, 2011 |
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GreatGreen posted:You know, I think I partially invented the CVT in my head the other day before knowing that's how it worked. I think the basic line of thought was something like "if the more gears you have = the more precise control of where your engine revs are at X speed, what if you just utilized a sort of cone thing that constantly adjusts itself to make infinite gear ratios? Then you could always have max horsepower or max efficiency or anything in between at any time!" Of course this is a simple enough idea that I then wondered why I hadn't already heard of it before. I think it's mostly the complexity of the system that keeps it from happening. The concept of adjusting gear ratios by changing the size of the gears themselves has been around for several decades, using a system of belts and conical pulleys. I think the reliability issues as well as complexity has kept it out of passenger vehicles for so long. But newer tech has brought the idea back, which is why it's an option now.
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xzzy posted:I think it's mostly the complexity of the system that keeps it from happening. The concept of adjusting gear ratios by changing the size of the gears themselves has been around for several decades, using a system of belts and conical pulleys. I think the reliability issues as well as complexity has kept it out of passenger vehicles for so long. Last word I'm familiar with was that the complexity of a CVT reduced fuel efficiency by about 9%, and reliability was still in the "we need more data" territory and leaning toward frequent servicing.
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Jabs posted:Come one, come all to the first of (N >= 1) Thursday Endurance Races! I think I'd be interested. How long are you thinking for race length? Edit: \/\/ Durr, I'm special. I'm in. Edit 2: Besides the stop and go penalties, are you thinking of having a mandatory pit-stop during the race? I doubt the cars will burn through enough fuel/tires to warrent one on its own. Is there even a way to tell if someone has made a pit stop? GT: Turb0snail T-Square fucked around with this message at 21:49 on Nov 9, 2011 |
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T-Square posted:I think I'd be interested. How long are you thinking for race length? It says one hour race in the "WHAT" part. I am also interested in the race so put me down as game.
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GreatGreen posted:Is there any reason why this type of system wouldn't work with a traditional gas powered car? For the A4 you can get a Manual or CVT car. Though the 'manual' mode for my A4 does have fake gears, all 7 of them, though when you're in automatic mode it seems to 'shift' gears nonetheless. edit: Corrected the available options for the transmission real_scud fucked around with this message at 21:56 on Nov 9, 2011 |
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real_scud posted:It does work that way in a lot of cars now. I know my Audi A4 has it, as do apparently a lot of Nissan cars as an option. I believe the newest Mitsu Lancer has a CVT as well. And from what I know, "infinate ratio transmissions" have been around in construction equipment (like CAT crawlers) for quite a while.
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Jabs posted:Come one, come all to the first of (N >= 1) Thursday Endurance Races! While I'm busy on Thursday, I'd love to do some endurance races in the future.
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Jabs posted:ALLOWED MODIFICATIONS Now that is just silly. Edit: Just tested it, the car really isn't fast enough for aero, especially with the race tires it just sticks anyways. Loud as gently caress exhaust though. With Wedsports its C304 class. Tanz-Kommandant fucked around with this message at 00:13 on Nov 10, 2011 |
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Nov 9, 2011 23:44
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Tanz-Kommandant posted:Now that is just silly. I put everything on that's allowed, including the front wing and I'm at C415 with BBS RS-GTs.
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Oh, just got gifted from T10 a Forza 4 painted 458 Italia. Already had a non-painted one from the import though (also got duplicate rx7). Give me something I don't already have!
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