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super fart shooter posted:Also remove all christian denominations, put them in one big "christian" religion, and then turn the papacy into some kind of horribly designed game-breaking system that makes europe unplayable. The Pope is able to tell Christian nations what they can and can't do, like declaring 'God hates all violence' which forbids Christian nations from declaring war, even nations that should be Orthodox. If Rome is captured by a nation other than the papal states, nothing happens to the Christian nations. The Triggered Modifiers that benefit Christian nations (like the one for taking over Judea, or Mecca) are removed, and replaced with dozens of modifiers for other religions. Judaism is added to the game, as a religion that you can convert to. The Holy Roman Empire simply starts out as one giant nation, minus Austria, Bohemia, Burgundy, and some of the other larger members of the HRE. Protestants are added as a papal faction in 1600 that favours policies that grant more freedoms to the nations. The Papal States can forced to convert like any other nation. Best mod ever. (Edited for format) burnishedfume fucked around with this message at 07:20 on Nov 16, 2011 |
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Who needs religious variation anyway? Paganism for everyone! 
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Nov 16, 2011 07:31
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Super Jay Mann posted:Who needs religious variation anyway? Papalism for everyone! Fixed. I still like my factions for the papacy idea best.
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Nov 16, 2011 07:45
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Gorgo Primus posted:Fixed. The crusader faction is especially interested in persecuting Mulsims. To really capitalize on the offensiveness, call the crusader faction the Dominicans. Or Franciscans. 
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Nov 16, 2011 08:00
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DrProsek posted:The crusader faction is especially interested in persecuting Mulsims. Jesuits!
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Nov 16, 2011 08:16
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Saw 50 replies, expected an update. Instead, I got one of the most entertaining derails of the thread so far. Thanks Wiz for showing me how far I've got to go with Crusader Kings  you manage to make it look so easy. Makes me appreciate narrative LPs so much more knowing just how easy it would be to "win" the game.
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Holy Roman Empire = Shogunate based around Frankfurt. You know you want to.
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Nov 16, 2011 10:14
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Freudian posted:Holy Roman Empire = Shogunate based around Frankfurt. You know you want to. To add insult to injury, replace the Shogun system in Japan with one that's actually fun and give the old boring one to the HRE.
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Nov 16, 2011 10:23
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It is the Civilised culture group, duh.
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Nov 16, 2011 10:38
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Obviously, Greece, Italy, Southern France, Portugal and Spain should be of the Mediterranean primary culture. Should also get events about their innate laziness and tax evasion.
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Nov 16, 2011 10:52
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Finland should get events relating to knives and vodka. Sweden should get one regarding Dalahästar. edit: And surströmming, how the gently caress could I forget surströmming? Odysseus S. Grant fucked around with this message at 13:38 on Nov 16, 2011 |
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Nov 16, 2011 11:50
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Norway should start out with some kinda super-pagan religion with a shitload of bonuses and they should get the decisions to invent black metal (+10 cultural tradition, +10 prestige, +10 military tradition) and a provincial decision to burn down the churches in any christian province they conquer, thus instantly converting said province.
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Christ these are good ideas and all but someone needs to make a thread before Wiz has to lock again. 
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Patter Song posted:I thought everyone realized that a lot of the things you do in EU3 were pretty objectively terrible for your subjects. Any player of HTTT and prior that just merrily clicks the "Enforce Land Enclosure" provincial decision 50 times or so is objectively starving peasants and driving them off their ancestral lands to make way for nobles and their sheep. Any player absentmindedly clicking "Attack Natives" over and over again is quite literally committing genocide. EU3 is not a game that rewards "moral" play, and frankly it shouldn't. I have a quid pro-quo policy with the natives, I'm as nice to them as possible until they attack my people or I fail my colonization like three-four times over so that I'm fairly sure its their fault, then I wipe them out unless I'm feeling lazy. However, after I discovered it was other bitching nations inciting them to do so I tend to give them an extra chance or two. Anyway I'm usually too lazy to commit genocide once I decide they're hostile to my people... also I want them to be my people. As for those other things I usually handwave them as necessary for advancement. I do have a thing for 'enact settlement policy' if I feel inferior to the leading culture group though... playing as Naples I once assimilated the Umbrians and left only 8-9 Lombardian provinces among others. I think of 'enact settlement policy' as eminent domain of their best land and putting one's culture group in their best jobs and positions. It would make me feel guilty as hell if it wasn't such a darn awesome roleplaying tool for civilizations with an inferiority/superiority complex (and useful). Recently I played as Hansa and took over Thrace, keeping the rest of Byzantium as a vassal. In order to get more money, prevent revolts and out of sheer pride and the desire to defend Thrace from a Turkish flip in case the Ottomans took it from me, I immediately enacted settlement policy and managed to flip it within a short while. I think I tried to do the same thing with Rome once with some other nation, that should probably piss of a whole variety of nations. 
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cwDeici posted:I have a quid pro-quo policy with the natives, I'm as nice to them as possible Awww, that's so nice of you. You don't commit a genocide, you just steal their land and kill any natives who complain. You truly are a model modern liberal.
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steinrokkan posted:Awww, that's so nice of you. You don't commit a genocide, you just steal their land and kill any natives who complain. You truly are a model modern liberal. Technically I kill any natives who are paid to complain or complain, but thank you. : ) Sometimes I even keep them as The latter part is really the only realistic way of cwDeici fucked around with this message at 13:11 on Nov 16, 2011 |
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cwDeici posted:Technically I kill any natives who are paid to complain or complain, but thank you. : ) Congratulations, you just came up with real life.
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Cerebral Bore posted:Norway should start out with some kinda super-pagan religion with a shitload of bonuses and they should get the decisions to invent black metal (+10 cultural tradition, +10 prestige, +10 military tradition) and a provincial decision to burn down the churches in any christian province they conquer, thus instantly converting said province. Yes! But make Black Metal a faction of Christianity and allow a Black Metal papacy!
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I think all of Europe should just be 'Christian' with no smaller denominations and the Papacy should be a faction system between Catholics and Orthodox, with Protestant and Anglican (because why not?) added around 1500 or so. Because it makes absolutely no sense and will induce a ton of rage. Also could we just switch the Shogunate and HRE mechanics? So the HRE would be a crippled broken mess and Japan would work where there's a bunch of basically-independent shoguns with one of them periodically getting elected emperor who protects them from outside forces while letting them fight amongst themselves? That seems like it would both be less of a pain and would make playing in Japan actually kind of interesting, while making everyone in Europe bang their heads against walls.
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I think Wiz should close the thread after every update. That was blissful. This is torture.
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This is an amusing derail, so I don't mind. If you absolutely don't want to read anything except the updates, why don't you just check the OP now and then for new chapters?
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vyelkin posted:I think all of Europe should just be 'Christian' with no smaller denominations and the Papacy should be a faction system between Catholics and Orthodox, with Protestant and Anglican (because why not?) added around 1500 or so. Because it makes absolutely no sense and will induce a ton of rage. Have all of Europe as "Christian," but make the Papal factions Rome, Avignon, and Constantinople. Also, take the Byzantine modifiers from Death & Taxes and give them to the Ottomans instead. Start the HRE as one country with cores for the individual states, but subject them to tribal succession crises. England and France start as one country (because the English king was the rightful King of France, duh) with France covered in rebels. And make all the Scandinavian countries hordes because they're really just roaming Viking raiders.
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zedar posted:All of Charlemagne's former empire should just have Frankish culture, Spain should be Arabic and England French. This is good, except for the Frankish bit. France needs French culture to encourage England to attack it!  Also, add the EU as a European culture union.
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All dutch states(including the wallonian ones) get the following decisions: -Legalize drugs. Increased tax income, reduced prestige. -Make wooden shoes. Culture tradition. -Invent fries. Culture tradition and prestige. As a downside to this, they get "flooded" events that kill off population. These extend as far east and south as Luxembourg(which, as a bishopric is part of the Papal States because a bishop is to the pope what a duke is to a king, right?)
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FadingChord posted:Start the HRE as one country with cores for the individual states, but subject them to tribal succession crises. Also much of Russia should be uncolonized. Hey, barely any people actually lived there, right?
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Asehujiko posted:As a downside to this, they get "flooded" events that kill off population. These extend as far east and south as Luxembourg No no, we have to make it even dumber. The flooding event happens to a random province that is in the Dutch countries. So if you form the Netherlands and have a globe-spanning empire, you will get random flooding events in, oh say, Milan.
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FadingChord posted:And make all the Scandinavian countries hordes because they're really just roaming Viking raiders. And dammit, we all know too much about European history to really gently caress this up. We need more dumbness, drat it. We need to have Iceland have events where Santa Claus has to go that give minus productivity and the Capital of "Europe" is France.
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Darth Windu posted:I think Wiz should close the thread after every update. That was blissful. This is torture. Is there anything you don't complain about?
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Deceitful Penguin posted:And dammit, we all know too much about European history to really gently caress this up. What if you called the HRE of Germany? Oh, wait.
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Croatia is Hungarian culture, Greek extends all the way up to Bosnia.
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Pakled posted:Croatia is Hungarian culture, Greek extends all the way up to Bosnia. I think the only way to achieve maximum nationalist-fueled indignance is to have Hungary and everything south of it just be Balkan culture, all the way to Constantinople and Greece.
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Just go ahead and label all of the culture types in Italy "Italian", same with "Germany", "Spain" and the "United Kingdom". This sounds sooooo great.
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vyelkin posted:I think the only way to achieve maximum nationalist-fueled indignance is to have Hungary and everything south of it just be Balkan culture, all the way to Constantinople and Greece. I think you mean Turkish. Not that there's really any point including "states" that were just conquered by a small company of Ottomans with cannons anyway.
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For all of this the political map has to look utterly normal. It should only be when you scratch the surface that the entire mess becomes apparent.
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Jeb Bush 2012 posted:I think you mean Turkish. YEEEEESS. Make them all Turkish. Until you hit European. And just make alot of event that randomly raise rebels there and unrest for no drat reason.
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vyelkin posted:Sub-cultures could include: Post-Roman, Scandinavian, Balkan, Germanic? Trying to be as offensively generic as possible. These are actually already the European subcultures in EUIII. If Brabant gains a core on Danzig, it's permanent. DrProsek posted:Cultures could be; Spanish (every nation on the Iberian peninsula is Spanish), Gaul(France, Burgundy, Brittany, etc), British (Ireland, Scotland, England, Wales, etc. would all use this), German (every HRE nation, including Austria and Bohemia, and the Teutonic Order), Post-Roman (all of Italy), Russian (everything from Poland to Novgorod, minus the T.O.), and Balkan (Hungary and everything south of it). Again, this...is pretty much how it works in EUIII already. It's slightly more specific, but not by much. Edit: oh, you're talking about specific cultures, not culture groups. Disregard this post. I thought you were just really bad at this. Phlegmish fucked around with this message at 18:01 on Nov 16, 2011 |
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YF-23 posted:Obviously, Greece, Italy, Southern France, Portugal and Spain should be of the Mediterranean primary culture. Should also get events about their innate laziness and tax evasion. This raises an interesting point. I would say that Sweden and the other Scandinavian countries are more Nordic- than Eurocentric. As far as I can tell, they don't really identify with Europe, let alone Southern Europe.
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Deceitful Penguin posted:YEEEEESS. Make them all Turkish. Until you hit European. And just make alot of event that randomly raise rebels there and unrest for no drat reason. No reason is a bad reason. A good reason would be "Balkanization".
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Orange Devil posted:No reason is a bad reason. A good reason would be "Balkanization".
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