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General Battuta posted:I'm trying to decide if I should press on with this series after Storm of Swords. Most of the people I've talked to think it goes to poo poo both story and prose-wise, and I get really turned off by bad prose. Is it worth the time it would take to read the last two books, or should I just read something that's going to be better anyway (Mieville or Valente)? GRRM's prose gets way better in the last two books, but other issues come up that kind of balance that out. Azure_Horizon fucked around with this message at 22:57 on Nov 21, 2011 |
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Blade_of_tyshalle posted:Sharpe's Nouns. I think you got confused there. We were talking about books with better-written prose than ASOIAF.
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Nov 21, 2011 22:54
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Azure_Horizon posted:GRRM's prose gets way better in the last two books, but other issues come up that kind of balance that out. The prose gets better, but the story gets nonexistant?
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Nov 21, 2011 23:24
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You should wait
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Nov 22, 2011 00:41
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In what way did his prose get better? I thought his prose was getting progressively worse.
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Nov 22, 2011 00:41
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He just repeats the same 8 catch-phrases a couple dozen more times and spends even more word-count describing foods than he used to.
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Nov 22, 2011 00:45
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His prose has definitely gotten worse after ASOS. Basically he's gotten lazy as gently caress with his writing and it shows, and his editor/the publisher are just so happy when Gurm shits out something they can get out the door that they don't bother even looking at it before they send it to print. In conclusion, gently caress everyone, Gurm sucks.
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Nov 22, 2011 01:35
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If you're not compelled to read on after ASoS, don't. If the next book does somehow come out, you can always read them then.
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Nov 22, 2011 01:45
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whowhatwhere posted:I think you got confused there. We were talking about books with better-written prose than ASOIAF. I was talking books with better-written prose than China Mieville, actually.
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Nov 22, 2011 02:15
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Junkenstein posted:If you're not compelled to read on after ASoS, don't. If the next book does somehow come out, you can always read them then. Yes. Instead, you should read George R. R. Martin's  edited by George R. R. Martin
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Nov 22, 2011 02:21
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Words are wind, and GRRM just ate a Frito Pie.
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Nov 22, 2011 02:25
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basx posted:Words are wind, and GRRM just ate a Frito Pie. Can you really call it a pie when it's the size of a kiddie pool?
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Nov 22, 2011 02:42
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IRQ posted:Can you really call it a pie when it's the size of a kiddie pool? Its circumference is still 3.14 times its diameter, so yes.
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Nov 22, 2011 05:30
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neongrey posted:Its circumference is still 3.14 times its diameter, so yes. Are you implying that all circular foods are pies? Because cookies and pancakes would like to have a word with you.
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Nov 22, 2011 07:18
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Solice Kirsk posted:Are you implying that all circular foods are pies? Because cookies and pancakes would like to have a word with you. Both are pies. All things are pies, and Frey pies at that.
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Nov 22, 2011 08:45
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bigmcgaffney posted:Both are pies. All things are pies, and Frey pies at that. Nothing quite like Frey and eel pie to wake you up, it is known.
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Nov 22, 2011 08:50
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I read this entire series in a just a couple months (I just finished ADWD) and to me, there is a HUGE drop off in action and I cannot imagine how this will be brought to TV without putting everyone to sleep. The action basically stops for 90% of Dany's chapters which make up a good portion of this last book. I'm not as into it as some of the people on the forums, so I can be pretty objective I think, but there is such a change in the way the books are written after A Storm of Swords! I hope the TV show doesn't suffer.
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Nov 22, 2011 14:54
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Kelly posted:I read this entire series in a just a couple months (I just finished ADWD) and to me, there is a HUGE drop off in action and I cannot imagine how this will be brought to TV without putting everyone to sleep. It's HBO. Any slow parts in the first season were padded out with titties, hookers, and gay sex. AFoC and ADWD are basically going to be 10 hours of fantasy-themed softcore porn.
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Nov 22, 2011 16:20
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General Battuta posted:Mieville has some really lovely prose, the opening of Perdido Street Station was almost unreadable. So yeah fair point there. But I have a bunch of his books sitting around and a bunch of Cat Valente and I want to know where to spend my precious holiday hours
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Nov 22, 2011 18:27
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savinhill posted:If prose is your top priority then read Valente. She can describe some crazy poo poo, some of the Habitation of the Blessed is like reading a medieval acid trip. Yeah Valente prose is great, though a bit high-calorie - I had to read Palimpsest in small chunks or I'd get exhausted. She draws a lot of her imagery from a common well so it's easy to get tired out on her early books if you just blow through them. So beautiful, though. Fights with Cormac McCarthy for my favorite prose writer, even though their styles are totally different.
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Nov 22, 2011 18:41
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GOT has next to zero action and you watched that.
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Nov 22, 2011 20:30
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Kelly posted:I read this entire series in a just a couple months (I just finished ADWD) and to me, there is a HUGE drop off in action and I cannot imagine how this will be brought to TV without putting everyone to sleep. The action basically stops for 90% of Dany's chapters which make up a good portion of this last book. Here's hoping Clash of Kings does as well/better than Game of Thrones on HBO so they can have the freedom to make Storm of Swords 2 seasons and Feast+Dance into one two-hour "event." Or hell, just get some writers to make their own drat series and completely ignore the last two books. This rant is probably somewhat fueled by the bitterness of reading the series as it comes out. We've gotten maybe a couple of half decent chapters over the course of 11 years for god's sake.
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RobattoJesus posted:It's HBO. Any slow parts in the first season were padded out with titties, hookers, and gay sex. You could cut out all the horse-hockey and merge them into one ok season, much like should have been done with the books 
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Nov 22, 2011 22:54
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Azure_Horizon posted:GRRM's prose gets way better in the last two books, but other issues come up that kind of balance that out. For instance, the fact of it sucking balances out the fine prose by which it is delivered. You know nothing, Azure_Horizon. Fog Tripper fucked around with this message at 00:10 on Nov 23, 2011 |
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Nov 23, 2011 00:08
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MMania posted:Here's hoping Clash of Kings does as well/better than Game of Thrones on HBO so they can have the freedom to make Storm of Swords 2 seasons and Feast+Dance into one two-hour "event." Or hell, just get some writers to make their own drat series and completely ignore the last two books. When I started the series, ADWD was already out, and I'm still pretty mad about the last 2 books without having to wait for them.
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Nov 23, 2011 02:12
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Yeah I didnt really have to wait more than like a year for ADWD and I still thought it was poo poo. For all I care he can take a decade to write the next one, its going to suck anyway.
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Nov 23, 2011 02:22
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Fog Tripper posted:For instance, the fact of it sucking balances out the fine prose by which it is delivered. I think the prose in AFFC did get better, it was the story itself that went to poo poo. It wasn't til ADWD that Gurm stopped making any effort prose-wise and had every other character saying "words are wind" amongst too many other annoying catchphrases and weird words.
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Nov 23, 2011 04:30
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savinhill posted:I think the prose in AFFC did get better, it was the story itself that went to poo poo. SCALE OF THE DRAGON THAT FLAMED YOU. NIPPLES ON A BREASTPLATE. HAHAHA THAT REMINDS ME OF A STORY FROM MY HOMELAND WHERE A GIRL KISSES A FROG HAHAHA. Half of ADWD was eye-roll-inducing.
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Nov 23, 2011 04:47
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Fog Tripper posted:SCALE OF THE DRAGON THAT FLAMED YOU. serjent " I'm only a girl..." and the always popular " Where do whores go? "
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Nov 23, 2011 04:51
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Horse-hockey? Was there polo in the Dany chapters, because I skipped all of them.
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Nov 23, 2011 06:12
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bigmcgaffney posted:Horse-hockey? Was there polo in the Dany chapters, because I skipped all of them. http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=horse+hockey Confused me too.
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Nov 23, 2011 06:15
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savinhill posted:I think the prose in AFFC did get better, it was the story itself that went to poo poo. And the story went to poo poo quite literally. There were animals making GBS threads themselves, monkeys throwing poo poo, characters cleaning up diseased poo poo, main characters making GBS threads themselves, and euphemisms for poo poo such as "nightsoil" and "The Pale Mare" repeated often. I'm not sure if the prose got better, as I don't remember a whole lot about the prose of the earlier books, but I do remember this standout bit of prose from ADWD: "The pig began to poo poo." Thanks GRRM 
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Nov 23, 2011 06:57
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bigmcgaffney posted:Horse-hockey? Was there polo in the Dany chapters, because I skipped all of them. Dothraki polo might actually have been interesting. Or maybe it would just be fantasy brown-barbarian quidditch.
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Nov 23, 2011 07:26
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hailthefish posted:Dothraki polo might actually have been interesting. Two players stay on the sidelines, scarfing down berries. 150 points if you poo poo all over your own horse first.
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Nov 23, 2011 08:40
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Fog Tripper posted:For instance, the fact of it sucking balances out the fine prose by which it is delivered. Sure. Keep telling yourself that.
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Nov 23, 2011 08:46
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Azure_Horizon posted:Sure. Keep telling yourself that. We can at least be thankful that this wasn't Jon Snow's retort to the "you know nothing" catchphrase.
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Nov 23, 2011 15:33
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Azure_Horizon posted:Sure. Keep telling yourself that. But you do know nothing. That's plain as day.
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Nov 23, 2011 16:02
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Blade_of_tyshalle posted:But you do know nothing. That's plain as day. It is known.
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Nov 23, 2011 17:50
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It is really, really known.
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People are aware of that thing you just said.
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