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Veins McGee posted:Initial training time counts starting at 24months. I don't get what you mean by this, like if you're in initial training for over 24 months it counts?
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revenance posted:I don't get what you mean by this, like if you're in initial training for over 24 months it counts? Kinda sorta. Little jimmy went to Infantry OSUT, which is 3 months (for easy rounding) He has 0 days active time for his Post 9/11 GI bill. Little jimmy deploys once, on title 10 or 32, for 12 months. He has 12 months active time for his Post 9/11 GI bill. He deploys again for 12 months. He now has 27 months active time for his Post 9/11 GI bill (12+12+3)
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Vasudus posted:Kinda sorta. You can deploy to a warzone under title 32? quote:He now has 27 months active time for his Post 9/11 GI bill (12+12+3)
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revenance posted:You can deploy to a warzone under title 32? I think he meant to use the word "activated" vs "deployed". The law just changed to include Title 32 activations for the purposes of Post 9/11 GI Bill benefit calculation. 24 months on some form of active duty since 9/11/2001(other than annual training or IADT). If you have 24 months of accumulated AD time, outside of your initial training, then your benefit is calculated including your initial training time.
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Veins McGee posted:I think he meant to use the word "activated" vs "deployed". The law just changed to include Title 32 activations for the purposes of Post 9/11 GI Bill benefit calculation. Holy poo poo, that's awesome, I need to look at my point summary then because I'm drat close if it counts any non-AT/IDT time. Does non-initial training count towards the 24 months of AD? I went to OTS/tech school last year (with initial training back in 2003), so I would actually break the 24 month threshold if that's counted. revenance fucked around with this message at 05:29 on Nov 22, 2011 |
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Nov 22, 2011 05:25
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revenance posted:Holy poo poo, that's awesome, I need to look at my point summary then because I'm drat close if it counts any non-AT/IDT time. No, annual training does not count. Generally, it has to be DD214-generational service. So if you deployed on 10, did some time loving around on 32 and it adds up past 24 months then yeah, your schools count.
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Nov 22, 2011 14:19
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It's gonna be more than 3 deployments after January 2012. (read 9 month deployments)
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Nov 22, 2011 17:26
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When I posted my original question I meant deployed because we are just going to assume that after finishing boot/ AIT that the local base will never have any work days for you besides the one weekend a month/ two weeks a year stint.
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Nov 22, 2011 18:29
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Say you join the reserves and get out of all your entry training. Can you just volunteer for a deployment or do you just have to wait for your unit to get assigned to one?
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Nov 22, 2011 18:54
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005060524 posted:Say you join the reserves and get out of all your entry training. Can you just volunteer for a deployment or do you just have to wait for your unit to get assigned to one?
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Vasudus posted:No, annual training does not count. Generally, it has to be DD214-generational service. So if you deployed on 10, did some time loving around on 32 and it adds up past 24 months then yeah, your schools count. No, not talking about annual training. I was activated (not deployed) for OTS (3.5 months) and tech school (7 months) last year (OCS and OBC for Army equiv), but since I'm prior E it's not "initial training", so I'm wondering if those orders count towards the 24 months or if I can't tack them on until after I meet the 24 month criteria. I am getting a DD-214 out of those schools. quote:Say you join the reserves and get out of all your entry training. Can you just volunteer for a deployment or do you just have to wait for your unit to get assigned to one? For the AF, that's largely up to your supervisor and your career field (and your skill level to a slightly lesser extent). I spent the first 4 years volunteering for a bunch of crap as an individual augmentee but then I find other reservists who have never been let go by their unit their entire careers. revenance fucked around with this message at 21:57 on Nov 22, 2011 |
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Smoke Crack posted:It's gonna be more than 3 deployments after January 2012. Aaaaahahahahaha! Keep on force shaping, you dumb fucks.
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revenance posted:No, not talking about annual training. I was activated (not deployed) for OTS (3.5 months) and tech school (7 months) last year, but since I'm prior E it's not "initial training", so I'm wondering if those orders count towards the 24 months or if I can't tack them on until after I meet the 24 month criteria. I am getting a DD-214 out of those schools. Probably something you should ask the VA but I would imagine that they do count as initial training(since for anyone else they would be initial training). Working for your unit or for a nearby command(Active Reserve, PTAD...there's other acronyms) counts towards your benefit time. Smoke Crack posted:It's gonna be more than 3 deployments after January 2012. Plus 3-5 months at the front end and a month or 2 at the back end. For reservists/NG, you accrue active duty time from the second you are activated, not the second you step foot in Afghan/Iraq.
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Veins McGee posted:Probably something you should ask the VA but I would imagine that they do count as initial training(since for anyone else they would be initial training). I found this on ARPC: http://www.arpc.afrc.af.mil/library/factsheets/factsheet.asp?id=15635 quote:*Excludes time in Basic Military Training and/or Skill Training. Re-training skill level schools may count toward qualifying service. But that's from 2009...I can't seem to find more updated stuff and the VA website for the bill doesn't seem to address it. Guess I'll go ask them, thanks.
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Yeah the biggest thing is that the VA is the final answer on all of this. There are a few places in the process that are still fuzzy, and eligibility time is one of them. If you served 3+ years you're 100%, deployed once you're 60%, anything else I kinda throw darts at a wall.
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So I'm about to graduate with a 35 series MOS. I'm ARNG and my unit isn't set to deploy for a while as far as I know. Say I want to go, what's the best route to accomplishing this?
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DoktorLoken posted:So I'm about to graduate with a 35 series MOS. I'm ARNG and my unit isn't set to deploy for a while as far as I know. Say I want to go, what's the best route to accomplishing this? Depends on your commander. You can find a deploying unit and he may let you go with them provided they're willing to take you along. Or he can tell you sorry, you're staying put. Don't bother with the deployment volunteer list on GKO. In my case I went with a local unit (completely different division, MOS and mission) and transferred back to my old unit when I returned. It literally took years of begging my CO to let me go though...
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So an O-3 and a CW2 (both in the same chain of command)are on a scooter (the CW2 being the driver), both retardedly hammered, crash in the middle of the road and immediately get picked up by local Polizei. What could one reasonably expect to happen in terms of punitive action? e: Talking army here. Duzzy Funlop fucked around with this message at 12:39 on Nov 25, 2011 |
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Nov 25, 2011 11:05
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If it was AF, that O-3 would be a civilian in a couple of years since he's not getting promoted to major and they're not keeping anyone who gets passed over. Best case.
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I would guess that both receive a Letter of Reprimand with the 03 never making Major and getting out and the CW2 depending on how much they had left retiring as a CW2 or getting out as well.
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My unit is telling me I need to fill out my own NCOER support form. This will only be my second ever NCOER, the first coming from active duty. This is wrong correct? Isn't it essentially rating myself?
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gleep glop posted:My unit is telling me I need to fill out my own NCOER support form. This will only be my second ever NCOER, the first coming from active duty. This is wrong correct? Isn't it essentially rating myself? Hahaha, yes, yes it is. Welcome to the reserves/guard.
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revenance posted:Hahaha, yes, yes it is. Welcome to the reserves/guard. Alright I thought so. Time to tell them gently caress no I guess.
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Dec 6, 2011 03:19
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gleep glop posted:Alright I thought so. Time to tell them gently caress no I guess. Just FYI they will halfass the poo poo out of your performance reports if you make them do their job.
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Dec 6, 2011 03:27
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revenance posted:Just FYI they will halfass the poo poo out of your performance reports if you make them do their job. It's my PSG who wants me to rate myself. My actual rater is willing to do it but they're trying to insist I do it instead of her.
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Dec 6, 2011 03:53
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I've never understood why rating your self is a bad thing. If they sign it at the end of the day, why is filling out the paper so hard? At least you can put down all the poo poo you want, and no one is going to look at it anyway. I don't know poo poo about being an NCO, am I missing something?
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iceslice posted:I've never understood why rating your self is a bad thing. If they sign it at the end of the day, why is filling out the paper so hard? At least you can put down all the poo poo you want, and no one is going to look at it anyway. I don't know poo poo about being an NCO, am I missing something? I hate to all effort and moral here but...it isn't right. How can I honestly rate myself? The person who is supposed to be my rater can and will be way more honest than myself. I know it won't make a big difference but little things like this are what create a lot of the problems the army has. How am I supposed to get on my soldiers about doing the right thing, being honest with me, and standing up to the command when they're flat wrong and then just do this? I know in the grand scheme of things this isn't a big deal but it is not something I'm going to do.
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gleep glop posted:I hate to all effort and moral here but...it isn't right. How can I honestly rate myself? The person who is supposed to be my rater can and will be way more honest than myself. I know it won't make a big difference but little things like this are what create a lot of the problems the army has. How am I supposed to get on my soldiers about doing the right thing, being honest with me, and standing up to the command when they're flat wrong and then just do this? I know in the grand scheme of things this isn't a big deal but it is not something I'm going to do. I'm not in the military but rating yourself has become a very common thing in the corporate world as well. The main idea is to get an idea of management's perspective of the personnel as well as their own view of themselves, and to address any disparities appropriately. Employees are often over or underrated by management, and the self evaluation has become a really useful tool to identify this in a lot of well run organizations. There also tend to be a small number of people who refuse to evaluate themselves or set goals (for your and many other reasons) and research in management has shown repeatedly that these types of people tend to be malcontents and toxic to the organization (regardless of core competency), and getting rid of them immediately is the usual course of action in most large corporations. I've been directed to do it myself with really great but primadonna analysts and developers multiple times, and it doesn't really matter what I think because that's policy. Not sure how the military handles it but if you were in the private sector I'd say you're committing career suicide with that attitude.
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gleep glop posted:I hate to all effort and moral here but...it isn't right. How can I honestly rate myself? The person who is supposed to be my rater can and will be way more honest than myself. I know it won't make a big difference but little things like this are what create a lot of the problems the army has. How am I supposed to get on my soldiers about doing the right thing, being honest with me, and standing up to the command when they're flat wrong and then just do this? I know in the grand scheme of things this isn't a big deal but it is not something I'm going to do. Continuing with the "I don't know poo poo about being an NCO" theme I have a couple thoughts on that. First, I'd say that an honest introspective view is going to outweigh anything your senior NCO is going to tell you on a piece of paper written once a year. Daily feedback, job performance, and your relationship with your peers should give you that personal information/satisfaction. Second, if the guy doesn't give a gently caress enough to do the rating, and you have to push them into it, how good of a job do you think they're going to do? They'll copy and paste the bullet points, print, sign, and get you out before PT is over. I agree that its a huge flaw that the Army (and a lot of middle management in almost any business) struggles with, but forcing your seniors to do it for you isn't the solution. If your subordinates ask why your NCOER is hosed, tell them its none of their god drat business and you'll show them how to do it properly. My experience tells me that with today's Army there is no point in trying to change those above me, but you can have an impact on the junior guys for the future.
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Well I'm not making much more of a career out of the army. I ETS Dec 2013, six years, two deployed, is enough for me. It's just the fact that my actual rater is willing to rate me, and my PSG, who isn't anywhere in my rating scheme, is trying to order her to make me write it. Stupid. I won't do it.
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gleep glop posted:Well I'm not making much more of a career out of the army. I ETS Dec 2013, six years, two deployed, is enough for me. It's just the fact that my actual rater is willing to rate me, and my PSG, who isn't anywhere in my rating scheme, is trying to order her to make me write it. Stupid. I won't do it. My reading comprehension is weak and I misunderstood your situation. Has the drawdown plan been made public at all? I've been seeing numbers between 40k and 150k, and I'm curious where these guys are coming from? Is there a priority for who is going out first, or are promotion slots just going to disappear? iceslice fucked around with this message at 05:30 on Dec 6, 2011 |
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gleep glop posted:I hate to all effort and moral here but...it isn't right. How can I honestly rate myself? The person who is supposed to be my rater can and will be way more honest than myself. I know it won't make a big difference but little things like this are what create a lot of the problems the army has. How am I supposed to get on my soldiers about doing the right thing, being honest with me, and standing up to the command when they're flat wrong and then just do this? I know in the grand scheme of things this isn't a big deal but it is not something I'm going to do. You know the quality of your work better than they do. Assess yourself, and they will compare your results against their expectations. If what you've done lines up with or exceeds, you're in good shape. If you fill the thing with lies and made up accomplishments, they SHOULD notice and mark you down accordingly. If they don't notice, you have a terrible supervisor and it will probably help your career.
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I'm not sure how it is in the guard/reserves but if you only see a guy once a month how in the gently caress do you accurately rate them? If I was writing people ncoers in the guard it would be nothing but 3-3's and 4-4's for "shows up" and "sometimes shows up." Also, a lot of people bitch about rating themselves but are you so sure of yourself to accept an accurate NCOER? Ask me about giving someone a 3-4 on their's when they bitched about having to provide bullets! edit: The term "stand up to my command" is literally the precursor to every bad idea I've seen a midlevel NCO or junior officer do. That sure will show them! Sure I lost rank and position but I showed them how I felt! A Bakers Cousin fucked around with this message at 13:15 on Dec 6, 2011 |
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My NCOERS have come off of NCOER.com or some bullshit like 3 hours before they're do every year. This year, I wrote my own and just gave myself Excellents in everything because gently caress if I'm going to make it easy for them to screw me again this year.
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Never miss an opportunity to write yourself a glowing review. If they didn't want a walk-on-water, they wouldn't let you do it.
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Can I fly Space-A if I'm on terminal leave? I want to visit my friend in Landstuhl, Germany as soon as I go on terminal leave. Will they take my ID card from me, making this impossible?
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As I understand it, you get a new ID that expires on your sep date. But I'm looking forward to a more complete answer since I could be starting terminal as soon as next week (probably won't though).
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Godholio posted:As I understand it, you get a new ID that expires on your sep date. But I'm looking forward to a more complete answer since I could be starting terminal as soon as next week (probably won't though). My Active ID was issued with the end date being my actual EAOS. I went on terminal from the ship with my Active Duty ID, and turned it in and got my IRR ID from the NS Everett Personnel Department on the day of my actual seperation. I dunno about Army ID policy, but most everyone I know was told to mail theirs in to wherever on the day of their seperation so they could get their moves done and what not. Also: I've been told that your DD 214 serves as authorization for base accesses in the instance that you have already forefeited your ID.
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I wanna go to Japan with my wife before I deploy. How exactly do I do this Space A poo poo?
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Nillerz posted:I wanna go to Japan with my wife before I deploy. How exactly do I do this Space A poo poo? http://www.amc.af.mil/amctravel/index.asp
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