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kafkasgoldfish
Jan 26, 2006

God is the sweat running down his back...

babyeatingpsychopath posted:

I found a 6v gearhead motor in the shed and am using a stack of 5w resistors soldered in parallel to drop the 12v to 6v.

That sounds really ghetto. Are you at least waiting for a 7806 to arrive in the mail?

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babyeatingpsychopath
Oct 28, 2000
Forum Veteran

kafkasgoldfish posted:

That sounds really ghetto. Are you at least waiting for a 7806 to arrive in the mail?

Nope, my budget for the foreseeable future is precisely $0. If I can't make something work with that amount or less, it doesn't get done. I'm trying to get a donated 12v motor now.

Ghetto and inefficient still means works.

The Eyes Have It
Feb 10, 2008

Third Eye Sees All
...snookums
I've decided to try moving to PLA with my Makerbot (it's a Cupcake with HBP).

Any tips or gotchas?

My plan is precisely to simply ensure the HBP is disabled, then try a run with a PLA profile in ReplicatorG/Skeinforge.

Probably my biggest fear is loving up my print head somehow, I have heard that PLA is or can be a lot harder on the print head than ABS.

babyeatingpsychopath
Oct 28, 2000
Forum Veteran

I got my first print (kinda). It laid down a single square, then the power resistor inside the extruder caught fire, failed shorted, and blew the fuse on the extruder controller board.

Oh wait, that's not a fuse, that's a trace from the +12V line to the resistor header. My mistake. Well, when I solder the thing back together, there will be a fuse. Probably 7.5A, since the traces are rated for 10A according to the documentation. I had a 47-ohm resistor in there, so 3watts in a 1-watt form factor. It failed to 1.2 ohms. Thankfully, the resistor case held and I didn't get 12V shorted to my thermocouple. That would probably have been bad.

This is a fun toy. Smoke and flame and sparks. It's just like my real job!

Deep Dish Fuckfest
Sep 6, 2006

Advanced
Computer Touching


Toilet Rascal

babyeatingpsychopath posted:

I got my first print (kinda). It laid down a single square, then the power resistor inside the extruder caught fire, failed shorted, and blew the fuse on the extruder controller board.

Oh wait, that's not a fuse, that's a trace from the +12V line to the resistor header. My mistake. Well, when I solder the thing back together, there will be a fuse. Probably 7.5A, since the traces are rated for 10A according to the documentation. I had a 47-ohm resistor in there, so 3watts in a 1-watt form factor. It failed to 1.2 ohms. Thankfully, the resistor case held and I didn't get 12V shorted to my thermocouple. That would probably have been bad.

This is a fun toy. Smoke and flame and sparks. It's just like my real job!

Fire's the best teacher.

Sponge!
Dec 22, 2004

SPORK!

YeOldeButchere posted:

Fire's the best teacher.

I beg to differ. Pain is the best teacher.

Wolfsbane
Jul 29, 2009

What time is it, Eccles?

Giant robot builder Jamie Mantzel (check it out if you haven't heard of him, the guy's amazing) has a 3D printer, which seems likely to lead to awesome things. There are a couple of videos about him using it, but I thought the one about printing large objects without using a heated build platform might be useful to someone here.

The Eyes Have It
Feb 10, 2008

Third Eye Sees All
...snookums
Is the idea that with so many holes (and so much surface area) the cooling is evened out and it all therefore shrinks evenly?

(I can't actually make out what he says in the video, my ears don't work.)

kafkasgoldfish
Jan 26, 2006

God is the sweat running down his back...

Mister Sinewave posted:

Is the idea that with so many holes (and so much surface area) the cooling is evened out and it all therefore shrinks evenly?

(I can't actually make out what he says in the video, my ears don't work.)

I think it's that by not having a continuous layer the contraction caused by the cooling won't pull across the length of the piece and cause it to curl. You could probably replace his big circles with vertical grooves in the material or some other shape to break-up each printed surface into many surfaces. It's kind of like expansion joints in concrete, except in reverse I guess?

The Eyes Have It
Feb 10, 2008

Third Eye Sees All
...snookums
Ah, that makes sense. That's a clever idea.

babyeatingpsychopath
Oct 28, 2000
Forum Veteran

Mister Sinewave posted:

Is the idea that with so many holes (and so much surface area) the cooling is evened out and it all therefore shrinks evenly?

(I can't actually make out what he says in the video, my ears don't work.)

More that there aren't long sections cooling together, so there's no long-scale tension.

He also puts a bunch of 1-layer-thick "cuts" as his bottom layer, so the first solid layer attached to the raft is just a bunch of feet. It seems like a more clever "raft" plugin for skeinforge might solve this problem without the modeller affecting geometry.

Splizwarf
Jun 15, 2007
It's like there's a soup can in front of me!
I want to get into 3-D printing. Tell me what my minimum nest egg needs to be for equipment; assume I can put stuff together mechanically and figure out the software but can't solder or build breadboarded circuits so I'd need to buy pre-made boards. I have been eyeing this:

http://www.kickstarter.com/projects/johnecker/reprap-diy-3d-printing-in-your-home

but $1000 is out of my range and the low contribution levels are just fittings and I don't know how to price out the rest of it.

Aurium
Oct 10, 2010

Splizwarf posted:

I want to get into 3-D printing. Tell me what my minimum nest egg needs to be for equipment; assume I can put stuff together mechanically and figure out the software but can't solder or build breadboarded circuits so I'd need to buy pre-made boards. I have been eyeing this:

http://www.kickstarter.com/projects/johnecker/reprap-diy-3d-printing-in-your-home

but $1000 is out of my range and the low contribution levels are just fittings and I don't know how to price out the rest of it.

Let me suggest this kit:

http://www.indiegogo.com/RepRapPro-Huxley-3D-Printer-Kits

It includes fully soldered electronics, and at $675 is about the cheapest good kit. It's a huxley, so it's print area is 140cm x 140cm instead of the 200cm x 200cm of the mendel you're looking at. This is still bigger than a makerbot.


For a bit more money you can get a prusa mendel from makergear.

http://www.makergear.com/products/3d-printers

$825 gets you one of the best kits out there, and for another $50 they'll assemble (read solder) the electronics for you.

EDITS:
People have self sourced a full prusa mendel for $500 for something that doesn't have quite so many quality parts as the makergear kit. Basically it would print just as well, but fewer durable parts.

If you're really really willing to scrounge and work for it people have done it for as little as $300, but it takes forever. 500 isn't nearly that hard to build to though. Oh and the print quality goes down at the $300 level. No heated build plate, salvaged uneven screws, etc.

Aurium fucked around with this message at 01:57 on Nov 19, 2011

Splizwarf
Jun 15, 2007
It's like there's a soup can in front of me!
Cool, thanks for the links. What kind of tensile strength can I expect from extruded plastics? Am I looking at Tupperware bendy-ness or can I make stuff as stiff as, say, the material that a monitor shell or a computer mouse (or Legos) are made of?

Aurium
Oct 10, 2010

Splizwarf posted:

Cool, thanks for the links. What kind of tensile strength can I expect from extruded plastics? Am I looking at Tupperware bendy-ness or can I make stuff as stiff as, say, the material that a monitor shell or a computer mouse (or Legos) are made of?

None of the commonly used plastics are flexible. Infact the most common printed plastic, ABS, is the same stuff that Legos are made of.

Splizwarf
Jun 15, 2007
It's like there's a soup can in front of me!
What kind of fidelity can I get? Is it possible to make Technics-grade stuff with fine gear teeth? The first two Neat Things that sprang to mind were custom game pieces and plastic gears.

Aurium
Oct 10, 2010

Splizwarf posted:

What kind of fidelity can I get? Is it possible to make Technics-grade stuff with fine gear teeth? The first two Neat Things that sprang to mind were custom game pieces and plastic gears.

You can make many kinds of gears.

I've seen objects with details as fine as technic gears before, but I've never seen anyone make gears as fine as technic gears.

So I'm guessing you could make them, but they probably have fragility issues.

Splizwarf
Jun 15, 2007
It's like there's a soup can in front of me!
Tell me more about the feasibility of throwing $500 at this Kickstarter project:

http://www.kickstarter.com/projects/printrbot/printrbot-your-first-3d-printer?ref=discover_rec

What's the downside on this, it's well under your suggestion price so I'm suspicious and trying to spot any issues. It's not the same style as the RepRaps I've seen but honestly it looks cleaner.

babyeatingpsychopath
Oct 28, 2000
Forum Veteran

Splizwarf posted:

Tell me more about the feasibility of throwing $500 at this Kickstarter project:

http://www.kickstarter.com/projects/printrbot/printrbot-your-first-3d-printer?ref=discover_rec

What's the downside on this, it's well under your suggestion price so I'm suspicious and trying to spot any issues. It's not the same style as the RepRaps I've seen but honestly it looks cleaner.

I've been hanging out in #reprap all day, and most of them agree: it's cheap because it's sloppy. It'll get you started, but it may take a few to many months to get your kit, and you'll be severely limited in print quality/speed until you incrementally upgrade into the mendel you wanted in the first place.

I like their sentiment, but if you bank your bucks away until the thing comes out, you'll be able to buy any other much more capable kit first.

Splizwarf
Jun 15, 2007
It's like there's a soup can in front of me!
That's a pity, it's much more visually appealing. I know that's not high on people's lists usually but I like clean design. And the price. Oh well. Thanks!

babyeatingpsychopath
Oct 28, 2000
Forum Veteran

It actually really actually prints. My feed rates are shamefully low, and I need to get my calibration correct (this was supposed to be 20x20mm), but at least it's not on fire or something.

RussianBear
Sep 14, 2003

I am become death, the destroyer of worlds
If you sign up for the MakerBot newsletter http://makerbot.us1.list-manage.com/subscribe you can get a coupon code for $300 off an unassmebled Thing-O-Matic kit or $500 off an assembled Thing-O-Matic kit. Valid until the end of Cyber Monday or until their current stock runs out.

Splizwarf
Jun 15, 2007
It's like there's a soup can in front of me!
So, uh, are they good? Looks like out of my ballpark.

e: link is throwing a 404

Splizwarf fucked around with this message at 18:38 on Nov 25, 2011

Aurium
Oct 10, 2010

Splizwarf posted:

So, uh, are they good? Looks like out of my ballpark.

e: link is throwing a 404

Smaller build area, slightly nosier, good support, dedicated community, great marketing department. No better or worse print quality than a well built prusa.

The one thing they do have that nobody else does is the automated build platform, which automatically removes completed items and allows it to start on the next one without supervision.

They used to be the only provider of a quality kit at a reasonable price, but other individuals have stepped up to the plate as well. They've also recently discontinued their workhorse model, and what's left is their substantially more expensive all the bells and whistles model.

helno
Jun 19, 2003

hmm now were did I leave that plane
Here is a new design for a 3D printing.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Hc0ADpQ6FBg

I have a suspicion they might have trouble with warping with the size of the print area.

Neat design to keep the wieght off of the gantry.

cakesmith handyman
Jul 22, 2007

Pip-Pip old chap! Last one in is a rotten egg what what.

That video could have been reduced to 3 static shots & about 30 seconds of in-motion video.

Anyway, warping is a materials/heat/airflow issue, the design in the vid can be built to any dimensions with a little diagonal cross bracing.

babyeatingpsychopath
Oct 28, 2000
Forum Veteran

Cakefool posted:

That video could have been reduced to 3 static shots & about 30 seconds of in-motion video.

Anyway, warping is a materials/heat/airflow issue, the design in the vid can be built to any dimensions with a little diagonal cross bracing.

This whole community is like that. Stupidly overproduced product sale shots with absolutely no info, or very technical instruction videos with no detail.

"Solder on the SMT LEDs, appropriate resistor, thermocouples (make sure k-type - wire goes to the '7' pad and the + goes to the other pad) program the host software to use the right pins, set your skeinforge settings to 0.7, and print!"

WHAT RIGHT PINS!? Which setting in skeinforge? What VERSION of skeinforge?!

Splizwarf
Jun 15, 2007
It's like there's a soup can in front of me!
I couldn't tell in all that frantic fisheye poo poo but it seemed like there was no Z-axis movement (or provision for it). Did I just miss it? Are they dropping the platform with something unseen instead of moving the gantry up?

ValhallaSmith
Aug 16, 2005

Splizwarf posted:

I couldn't tell in all that frantic fisheye poo poo but it seemed like there was no Z-axis movement (or provision for it). Did I just miss it? Are they dropping the platform with something unseen instead of moving the gantry up?

I think with that sort of setup it would be easier to just have a moving platform for the work.

The Eyes Have It
Feb 10, 2008

Third Eye Sees All
...snookums
"set your skeinforge settings to 0.7, and print!" has got to be the most retardedly awesome example of simultaneously detailed yet utterly meaningless instruction.

Snackmar
Feb 23, 2005

I'M PROGRAMMED TO LOVE THIS CHOCOLATY CAKE... MY CIRCUITS LIGHT UP FOR THAT FUDGY ICING.
Got some silver ABS today and tried it out with one of my Space Invaders plugs:

Videodrome
Apr 5, 2003

All hail the new flesh!

techknight posted:

Got some silver ABS today and tried it out with one of my Space Invaders plugs:

Cool! Ordered!

Anyone have ideas for interesting models that I could customize with peoples' names for Christmas gifts? I'm already working on customized bottle openers, but I need some other ideas.

peepsalot
Apr 24, 2007

        PEEP THIS...
           BITCH!

Hey folks, I didn't realize this thread was here till just today, but I finally started printing on my Reprap Prusa Mendel which I've been working on for the past month(most of which was spent sourcing parts and waiting on deliveries). I sourced all the parts myself trying to save a few bucks. If I could do it over again I would probably just buy a makergear kit and save a lot of headache.

My first print, still needed a bunch of calibration at this point, but came out surprisingly good.


Some of the first useful(non-calibration) parts. Printed out these bar clamps since I cracked a couple when assembling my printer, so it is currently held together with zipties. I still need to calibrate the ooze factor or whatever makes the strings, but I was impatient with calibrating, and really needed these parts


One of the latest calibrations I did. Not sure if it was the change from orange to black filament or what, but I calibrated my extruder steps before my first print, and somehow later they were off by 15%. Recalibrated the extruder steps and filament diameter after going to black plastic and finally got the print on the left.


A highly sophisticated spool holder of my own design :whatup:

peepsalot fucked around with this message at 20:13 on Dec 5, 2011

blambert
Jul 2, 2007
you spin me right round baby right round.
"Hmm, what if we could 3D print our advent calendar this year...."
My colleague and I recently retooled our Reprap to print milk chocolate. Everyone in the studio designed a little model of something personal to them, which we then print in chocolate each day as our advent calendar.
Thought I'd share some behind the scenes stuff as we managed to get quite a good level of accuracy / low 'filament' diameter.
Parts used include:
- Frostruder components minus wood, solenoids mounted on top of A frame.
- Bigass tank of compressed nitrogen
- Custom (3D printed) clamp for syringe
- Pipe heater
- Chefs cooling spray
- Lots and lots of milk chocolate!

And here she is!



After many, many hours of experimenting with nozzles and heat and cooling and chocolate and skeinforge and orbits and cooling spray and an endless list of interconnected variables.... we got it down to a fine art!

Here's midprint



We coded in an 'orbit' that moves to 0 0 0 and back, which allows time to cool each layer with the freeze spray.

Here's the finished champagne cork



Empire State (I knocked the syringe midprint, shhh)



And a particularly nice one, Marija's Hong Kong skyline



There's a film being put together which I will post up soon!

I think we have the highest 'resolution' milk chocolate prints so far?

PS. (A HUGE thank you to Hannah and Malcolm, the brains behind TVRRUG (Thames Valley reprap user group) for the Prusa and advice.

Twerpling
Oct 12, 2005
The Funambulist

blambert posted:

I think we have the highest 'resolution' milk chocolate prints so far?

Probably not. The 3D printer I built posted previously produces things at what appears to be higher resolution then what you seem to be getting unless I am misjudging your scale. Additionally there are quite a few 'professional' printers that print in chocolate. How are you extruding chocolate? I did something similar using a Oki Solderpaste dispenser/compressor and I found that this causes...uh 'inductance' type problems with mine so I designed a reservoir style extrusion head.

You seem to have viscosity issues. I noticed this happening to mine due to the large melting region chocolate has. Throwing some paraffin in to the mix will fix this.

edit: Oh I misread what you did. I thought for a moment you were heating an external source of chocolate and feeding it into the thing instead of a reservoir.

Twerpling fucked around with this message at 04:03 on Dec 7, 2011

kafkasgoldfish
Jan 26, 2006

God is the sweat running down his back...
If only machines like this were even remotely close to affordable for individuals. Hell, if it was under $15K I might splurge but I doubt it's under $40-50K

http://www.objet.com/3D-Printer/Objet260_Connex/

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZbRlDBScDz4

syntaxrigger
Jul 7, 2011

Actually you owe me 6! But who's countin?

kafkasgoldfish posted:

If only machines like this were even remotely close to affordable for individuals. Hell, if it was under $15K I might splurge but I doubt it's under $40-50K

http://www.objet.com/3D-Printer/Objet260_Connex/

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZbRlDBScDz4

Once a 3d printer can print a working version of itself we'll be in business!

Dolphin
Dec 5, 2008

by Jeffrey of YOSPOS

syntaxrigger posted:

Once a 3d printer can print a working version of itself we'll be in business!
I'm having trouble imagining what a printer that could print a full size version of itself would look like.

DarkHorse
Dec 13, 2006

Vroom Vroom, BEEP BEEP!
Nap Ghost
I was puzzling that myself, and the only way I could imagine it is if could be printed in a compact form that would then unfold or unpack itself to a larger printing form.

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KaLogain
Dec 29, 2004

I got her number. How do you like them apples?
Cybernetic Crumb
I imagine he means it prints out all of the parts that you can then assemble into one.

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