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Kase Im Licht
Jan 26, 2001
Its points, mostly out of 100, though veterans points can push you over 100. There are jobs where the minimum score to get referred is over 100. Many are very high 90s.

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Sandbagger SA
Aug 12, 2003

Giant Thighs.
Painted Threads.
Just Off the Highway.
I started looking at USAJOBS about a month ago. I have about a year left on my 4 year business degree and just finished 10 years of military service. I'd REALLY like to get an entry position doing something along the lines of Human Resources or Office Management.

I've got a resume almost completed. Should I put any/all work experience on and hope that a shotgun approach nets me the best rating?

De Nomolos
Jan 17, 2007

TV rots your brain like it's crack cocaine

commissargribb posted:

I started looking at USAJOBS about a month ago. I have about a year left on my 4 year business degree and just finished 10 years of military service. I'd REALLY like to get an entry position doing something along the lines of Human Resources or Office Management.

I've got a resume almost completed. Should I put any/all work experience on and hope that a shotgun approach nets me the best rating?

That's hard to answer because I'm not sure how hiring reform is progressing. I'd err on the side of "yes", but they're trying to make hiring simpler. I got my job last year via the shotgun approach.

I work at OPM. The hub of HR. I've been told we are hiring numerous positions in the coming month, but the catch is that most of them are in Retirement Services. That's where I am currently, but I'm at least moving to a different area soon. More than likely, you'll see some postings for Legal Admin. Specialists pop up on USAJobs soon.

I'm going to be blunt: these are some of the worst positions at OPM. The backlog of cases is massive, most of your fellow employees are older and stuck in their ways (they haven't hired for nearly a decade, until last year when I came on), and the customers are often people retiring on disability, meaning they are desperate to get their retirement cases heard because they have cancer or had a stroke or are mentally ill. You need to be mentally tough.

If you do decide to take this position, and you stay with it long enough to learn the retirement system, you will be most valued at all other agencies because nobody else in their HR departments know the retirement or worker's comp processes, mostly because OPM's Retirement folks haven't had time to teach them due to the workload. You'll also learn a ton about employee benefits, too, which every HR specialists at any agency needs to know about.

The other good thing is that OPM is generally a good place to work. It's taken me a while to meet people there (everyone I work with in my office is 45+ with kids and talks about their church a lot. It's awkward), but OPM is the model agency, so it's hard not to find something to like about it.

Keep an eye out. I'm told we should be hiring in the next couple of weeks and it'll be for "many vacancies" as the job listings say.

Midge the Jet
Sep 15, 2006

De Nomolos posted:

That's hard to answer because I'm not sure how hiring reform is progressing. I'd err on the side of "yes", but they're trying to make hiring simpler. I got my job last year via the shotgun approach.

I work at OPM. The hub of HR. I've been told we are hiring numerous positions in the coming month, but the catch is that most of them are in Retirement Services. That's where I am currently, but I'm at least moving to a different area soon. More than likely, you'll see some postings for Legal Admin. Specialists pop up on USAJobs soon.

I'm going to be blunt: these are some of the worst positions at OPM. The backlog of cases is massive, most of your fellow employees are older and stuck in their ways (they haven't hired for nearly a decade, until last year when I came on), and the customers are often people retiring on disability, meaning they are desperate to get their retirement cases heard because they have cancer or had a stroke or are mentally ill. You need to be mentally tough.

If you do decide to take this position, and you stay with it long enough to learn the retirement system, you will be most valued at all other agencies because nobody else in their HR departments know the retirement or worker's comp processes, mostly because OPM's Retirement folks haven't had time to teach them due to the workload. You'll also learn a ton about employee benefits, too, which every HR specialists at any agency needs to know about.

The other good thing is that OPM is generally a good place to work. It's taken me a while to meet people there (everyone I work with in my office is 45+ with kids and talks about their church a lot. It's awkward), but OPM is the model agency, so it's hard not to find something to like about it.

Keep an eye out. I'm told we should be hiring in the next couple of weeks and it'll be for "many vacancies" as the job listings say.

I saw that posting up for Boyers, PA. If I wasn't already in DC, I would definitely apply.

At least for some good news, I woke up to 3 referrals from USAjobs in my inbox this morning. I don't have a great track record with follow up after them though. I'm up to 24 referrals, 2 interview requests (1 cancelled beforehand, due to budget), no offers.

Sandbagger SA
Aug 12, 2003

Giant Thighs.
Painted Threads.
Just Off the Highway.

De Nomolos posted:


I work at OPM. The hub of HR. :words:

That sounds pretty hardcore but it's a pretty drat good foot in the door right?

Evil SpongeBob
Dec 1, 2005

Not the other one, couldn't stand the other one. Nope nope nope. Here, enjoy this bird.

commissargribb posted:

I started looking at USAJOBS about a month ago. I have about a year left on my 4 year business degree and just finished 10 years of military service. I'd REALLY like to get an entry position doing something along the lines of Human Resources or Office Management.

I've got a resume almost completed. Should I put any/all work experience on and hope that a shotgun approach nets me the best rating?

Wait until USAJOBS has stopped making GBS threads itself.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/polit...3gyL_story.html

(Yeah, I'm a poo poo goon who can't do short links.)

Sandbagger SA
Aug 12, 2003

Giant Thighs.
Painted Threads.
Just Off the Highway.

Evil SpongeBob posted:

Wait until USAJOBS has stopped making GBS threads itself.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/polit...3gyL_story.html

(Yeah, I'm a poo poo goon who can't do short links.)

I've got a little bit of time. Just getting familiar with the system for now.

(I'm usually too lazy to do fancy hyperlinks)

majestic12
Sep 2, 2003

Pete likes coffee

Kase Im Licht posted:

Its points, mostly out of 100, though veterans points can push you over 100. There are jobs where the minimum score to get referred is over 100. Many are very high 90s.

I've gotten a few emails that said I was referred to a couple selecting officals, but none of them had my score in it :(

And as long as I can still search for series 13- then I'm happy.

De Nomolos
Jan 17, 2007

TV rots your brain like it's crack cocaine

commissargribb posted:

That sounds pretty hardcore but it's a pretty drat good foot in the door right?

Absolutely, as long as you can tolerate working in Retirements, which has been a bit of a dumping ground for a while. You know those federal employees that are difficult to get along with and mean to customers that everyone thinks represents the gov. as a whole? Yeah, they're in Retirement. I get letters of appreciation sent to my supervisor all the time just because I'm nice to people and return phone calls.

Evil SpongeBob posted:

Wait until USAJOBS has stopped making GBS threads itself.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/polit...3gyL_story.html

(Yeah, I'm a poo poo goon who can't do short links.)

Lol, you can't even search for positions at multiple grades in the new search engine. It's pathetic. I really don't see where the improvements are hiding behind all the absolute poo poo.

De Nomolos fucked around with this message at 16:56 on Oct 23, 2011

Zoo
Oct 24, 2004

I hate to break it to you, but there is no big lie, there is no system. The universe is indifferent.
I don't see them on DIA's "recruiting events" page, but I see that the DIA posted a bunch of Hiring Events in my email auto-digest. They're all listed for GG-07, but that might mean GG-07+. To be honest I didn't look them up since they don't really apply to me, but might want to check http://diajobs.dia.mil/ and see what's there.

edit: none of these seems to be for intel--they're for HR, comms, admin, info systems (that's series 2210, which some of you might be interested in), etc.

Zoo fucked around with this message at 12:29 on Oct 26, 2011

curried lamb of God
Aug 31, 2001

we are all Marwinners
The October FSOT results came out yesterday, and I passed both the multiple choice and essay components! However, my biographical information score was terrible - 39.3, more than one standard deviation below the mean. Since the panel takes both my exam scores and PNQ into account, am I absolutely screwed, or do I still have a chance at advancing to the orals? My total scores were JK 58.42, BI 39.30, EE 61.44, and an 8 on the essay.

Leif.
Mar 27, 2005

Son of the Defender
Formerly Diplomaticus/SWATJester
You'll have better luck in the actual FSOT thread.

Tyro
Nov 10, 2009
Good luck to any goons who made it to semifinalist for PMF.

Lucca Blight
Jun 2, 2009
I need to send in a package for US Border Patrol; and part of it is asking for series and grade for Federal positions.

I was recently hired as a PSE Clerk for the USPS; but I have no clue how to go about finding out my series and grade for it. I've tried Google and I shot out an email to the lady who played a part in my hiring process but I've gotten no response yet.

Anyone know where I can find it out?

FlyWhiteBoy
Jul 13, 2004
I've recently been hired by a contractor for some government work but haven't started yet. Is there a way to know what clearance type I will be receiving based on the forms I have filled out?

JohnnyHildo
Jul 23, 2002

Lucca Blight posted:

I need to send in a package for US Border Patrol; and part of it is asking for series and grade for Federal positions.

I was recently hired as a PSE Clerk for the USPS; but I have no clue how to go about finding out my series and grade for it. I've tried Google and I shot out an email to the lady who played a part in my hiring process but I've gotten no response yet.

Anyone know where I can find it out?

http://www.opm.gov/fedclass/faqs.asp#USPS

quote:

3. Q: I am, or used to be, a United States Postal Service (USPS) employee. Where can I find my series and grade?

A: Information regarding your pay schedule, series, and grade can be found on your PS Form 50, Notification of Personnel Action. Please refer to box 51 for the series or "Occupation Code", which is defined by the first four digits of the code. Box 60 designates your Rate Schedule Code (similar to a pay schedule), and box 61 indicates your grade.

If you do not have a copy of your last PS-50, and are currently employed by USPS, your PS Form 50 may be obtained in hard copy format through your servicing personnel office, or in electronic format from the Postal Service's electronic Official Personnel Folder (eOPF) system.

. . .

NOTE: The USPS uses the same series as the rest of the Federal Government, except for occupations which are unique to the Postal Service. These unique occupations are in the 2300 series. The USPS uses its own Rate Schedule Codes (RSC), in place of the General Schedule (GS) and Federal Wage System (FWS) used by much of the Federal Government.

Lucca Blight
Jun 2, 2009
Thanks a lot for reminding me about that form.
After failing to log into the site to see my Form 50; I checked my archives and found it amidst a stack of papers.

Kase Im Licht
Jan 26, 2001

FlyWhiteBoy posted:

I've recently been hired by a contractor for some government work but haven't started yet. Is there a way to know what clearance type I will be receiving based on the forms I have filled out?
Did you fill out an SF-86? SF-85? How far bag did the background questions ask you to go?



How the hell do I pick a health care plan? Too many damned choices. Thoughts on the high deductible plans? My worry with those is getting some sort of moderate injury (I play a ton of sports so really the joint/broken bone injuries are my biggest worry) before I've contributed much to my HSA. But once I've built that up it seems like a pretty good deal.

Evil SpongeBob
Dec 1, 2005

Not the other one, couldn't stand the other one. Nope nope nope. Here, enjoy this bird.

Kase Im Licht posted:


How the hell do I pick a health care plan? Too many damned choices. Thoughts on the high deductible plans? My worry with those is getting some sort of moderate injury (I play a ton of sports so really the joint/broken bone injuries are my biggest worry) before I've contributed much to my HSA. But once I've built that up it seems like a pretty good deal.

https://www.plansmartchoice.com/

dvgrhl
Sep 30, 2004

Do you think you are dealing with a 4-year-old child to whom you can give some walnuts and chocolates and get gold from him?
Soiled Meat

Kase Im Licht posted:

Did you fill out an SF-86? SF-85? How far bag did the background questions ask you to go?



How the hell do I pick a health care plan? Too many damned choices. Thoughts on the high deductible plans? My worry with those is getting some sort of moderate injury (I play a ton of sports so really the joint/broken bone injuries are my biggest worry) before I've contributed much to my HSA. But once I've built that up it seems like a pretty good deal.

Here is my two pieces of advice to you:

1. Start out putting 10% of your pay into your retirement. It's deducted automatically and you never notice it not being there.

2. Get the best health insurance plan you can afford. Health insurance is a bitch because no one plans to get cancer, or get in a horrible car accident, or any other things, but you still have to pay each pay check. But read over in the debt collection thread to see how medical bills can gently caress your life up. You're basically planning for worst case scenario here. Going to the doctor once a year for a check up isn't why you have this. GEHA is what I went with.

chupacabron
Oct 30, 2004


I just got my results back from a test that is for an Immigration Officer position. Anyone have any insight on what a typical day is for them?

Also, how long is it going to take to schedule an interview jesus christ.

Evil SpongeBob
Dec 1, 2005

Not the other one, couldn't stand the other one. Nope nope nope. Here, enjoy this bird.

El Mike-o posted:


Also, how long is it going to take to schedule an interview jesus christ.

Probably not until a budget is signed. My agency isn't hiring anyone until a FY 2012 budget is passed.

Tyro
Nov 10, 2009

El Mike-o posted:

Also, how long is it going to take to schedule an interview jesus christ.

I'm in a hiring process that I've been told will last 1-3 years. Get used to it.

Manifest Dynasty
Feb 29, 2008
Also, that test is to placed on a registry, I believe. An opening comes up, THEN they grab names off the list, basically going from top scores to bottom.

Beerdeer
Apr 25, 2006

Frank Herbert's Dude
Immigration through USCIS is going to be different depending on whether you work in a center or a field office. In the Service Centers it's sit at a desk pushing papers all day. Productivity is king. The upside is you don't actually have to deal with any customers.

Field offices do all the face-to-face interviews and such. There from what I hear you get about 15 minutes per case, and you're rated by how many clients you see.

I greatly prefer my service center work.

Alkabob
May 31, 2011
I would like to speak to the manager about the socialists, please
Hey I was looking at some potential jobs to apply to on USAJOBS. I was wondering if any of you government goons out there might look at my resume tell me what I need to do to make it look better and any pointers on getting my foot in the door. PM if you have a few minutes to lend a hand, if you have to be acerbic that's fine. I don't know anyone in the government or anyone familiar with how to work the hiring mechanics in your favor so I really appreciate it.

Evil SpongeBob
Dec 1, 2005

Not the other one, couldn't stand the other one. Nope nope nope. Here, enjoy this bird.

Scooter_McCabe posted:

Hey I was looking at some potential jobs to apply to on USAJOBS. I was wondering if any of you government goons out there might look at my resume tell me what I need to do to make it look better and any pointers on getting my foot in the door. PM if you have a few minutes to lend a hand, if you have to be acerbic that's fine. I don't know anyone in the government or anyone familiar with how to work the hiring mechanics in your favor so I really appreciate it.

Maybe if you give a hint as to what field, goons in that job series might be able to help you with the all important resume keywords.

ixo
Sep 8, 2004

m'bloaty

Fun Shoe
To chime in on health insurance, I went with the standard family plan with GEHA an am quite happy with it. Less than a year after getting hired on, we had a baby that had to stay in the NICU for a week. Total cost for mom and baby was on the order of $75,000, which would have put us into bankruptcy if we didn't have insurance. We ended up only paying a couple thousand because I never told the hospital where to send lab work, and it went somewhere that wasn't covered. If I hadn't hosed that up, we would have paid precisely $0 for it all.

The only funny thing with it is that while a ton of places will accept it, nobody in my area has ever heard of it before, so they always have to research it before accepting my card. Guess I'm one of the only Feds in my town!

KrazyAntix
Jun 1, 2011
I have a question for anybody that could help.

I was working for SSA as a teleservice rep and s=couldn't take it so I left. I realize that may have been quite premature on my part (in my defense, the job really sucks). I'm wondering how I can use my past SSA experience (up to GS 7) to help me enter another agency. Does my past work count for anything? If so, how do I make it work for me?

grover
Jan 23, 2002

PEW PEW PEW
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KrazyAntix posted:

I have a question for anybody that could help.

I was working for SSA as a teleservice rep and s=couldn't take it so I left. I realize that may have been quite premature on my part (in my defense, the job really sucks). I'm wondering how I can use my past SSA experience (up to GS 7) to help me enter another agency. Does my past work count for anything? If so, how do I make it work for me?
Work experience is work experience. Also, it qualifies you for work at the GS-7 level! If you have a year of experience at GS-7, you'd be qualified for GS-8 or GS-9, depending on the job.

sbaldrick
Jul 19, 2006
Driven by Hate
does the US gov not let you bid into other departments?

Evil SpongeBob
Dec 1, 2005

Not the other one, couldn't stand the other one. Nope nope nope. Here, enjoy this bird.

KrazyAntix posted:

I have a question for anybody that could help.

I was working for SSA as a teleservice rep and s=couldn't take it so I left. I realize that may have been quite premature on my part (in my defense, the job really sucks). I'm wondering how I can use my past SSA experience (up to GS 7) to help me enter another agency. Does my past work count for anything? If so, how do I make it work for me?

In addition to what Grover says, now you can bid on status candidate only jobs.

sbaldrick posted:

does the US gov not let you bid into other departments?

Transferring among agencies is no big deal nowadays.

JohnnyHildo
Jul 23, 2002

Evil SpongeBob posted:

In addition to what Grover says, now you can bid on status candidate only jobs.


Transferring among agencies is no big deal nowadays.

He can only apply for status candidate jobs if he completed his three years of career-conditional status or has veteran's preference. If he doesn't have either of those, then he can only be reinstated within three years of the date of his separation.

KrazyAntix
Jun 1, 2011

Evil SpongeBob posted:

In addition to what Grover says, now you can bid on status candidate only jobs.



Pardon my ignorance, but what is a "status candidate only" job?

Evil SpongeBob
Dec 1, 2005

Not the other one, couldn't stand the other one. Nope nope nope. Here, enjoy this bird.

KrazyAntix posted:

Pardon my ignorance, but what is a "status candidate only" job?

Typically, veterans (with 5 or 10 points), current Federal employees and former Federal employees with status are the only ones who can apply for status (vice public) jobs. There are some weird rules if you're transferring from excepted to competitive status jobs. Anyone can apply to public jobs, but you have to be in one of the above groups to apply under status jobs. They can even be restricted to current agency employees only.

If you're doing a USAJOBS advanced search, click on "yes" under applicant eligibility to see al jobs.

And I did forget about the three year thing, but only because my agency's probationary period is over three years.

Stultus Maximus
Dec 21, 2009

USPOL May
What do I do when a position says "In addition to meeting experience requirements applicants must show evidence (by self-certification) of typing skill of at least 40 words per minute. "?

How do I "self-certify"?

I just got an instant reject from a loving clerk position and I'm wracking my brain trying to figure out what I did wrong.

Sirotan
Oct 17, 2006

Sirotan is a seal.


Stultus Maximus posted:

What do I do when a position says "In addition to meeting experience requirements applicants must show evidence (by self-certification) of typing skill of at least 40 words per minute. "?

How do I "self-certify"?

I just got an instant reject from a loving clerk position and I'm wracking my brain trying to figure out what I did wrong.

Are you a veteran or current/former federal employee? If you are, you can get a max score of 110 on the assessments, otherwise you can only get a max score of 100. So, it's entirely possible you did nothing wrong at all.

Stultus Maximus
Dec 21, 2009

USPOL May

Sirotan posted:

Are you a veteran or current/former federal employee? If you are, you can get a max score of 110 on the assessments, otherwise you can only get a max score of 100. So, it's entirely possible you did nothing wrong at all.

Well I got the "you do not meet minimum requirements" message, which is pretty ridiculous given the fairly easy requirements:

quote:

Applicant must possess one (1) year of SE equivalent to the GS-06 grade level.
SE is having:


conducted searches of internal/external databases;

ensured that security of classified materials are managed/controlled in accordance with established procedures;

created, maintained and disposed of records in accordance with applicable policy;

transcribed/deciphered audio/video information;

This position requires a qualified typist. To qualify, you must be able to type 40 words a minute. Please include in your resume your typing proficiency.

I'm a veteran officer (GS-10 equivalent), and I've done all these things. I'm trying to figure out what I didn't phrase right in my resume.

JohnnyHildo
Jul 23, 2002

Stultus Maximus posted:

Well I got the "you do not meet minimum requirements" message, which is pretty ridiculous given the fairly easy requirements:


I'm a veteran officer (GS-10 equivalent), and I've done all these things. I'm trying to figure out what I didn't phrase right in my resume.


You really need to make things explicit for the human resources personnel who will decide whether or not you meet the minimum requirements. If you use technical language in your resume, the hiring manager will know what you're talking about but your resume may not even make it that far if HR can't figure out that "queried TECS and Accurint for information about target subjects" means that you conducted searches of internal and external databases. One way of doing that is to spell it out just as it is in the announcement. Using my example you could write, "Conducted searches of internal/external databases when I utilized TECS and Accurint to obtain information about investigative targets." This isn't necessarily the best example, but it shows the type of mindset your resume needs to be targeted for.

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Stultus Maximus
Dec 21, 2009

USPOL May
Thanks. I recently got "Highly qualified, referred to selecting official" (followed by "sorry, but...") for a similar GS-9 position. I guess I missed the magic words for this one.

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