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archangelwar posted:No, Thomas Paine wrote it. But they do not understand what it means at all, why he wrote it, or the context of the quote. It was found in Common Sense where he was specifically referring to the British monarchy and was rallying against the British Loyalists who were working for the various British government entities in the colonies or were part of the British aristocracy. Notice the phrase "kept citizen." He was not referring to social programs at all. If he wrote it, it was not in "Common Sense." Seriously, go check. Use the phrase "kept citizen" if you like: http://www.ushistory.org/paine/commonsense/singlehtml.htm http://www.earlyamerica.com/earlyamerica/milestones/commonsense/ http://www.gutenberg.org/files/147/147-h/147-h.htm And the use of the term "entrepreneur" makes it highly suspect that Paine could have written it at all: http://books.google.com/ngrams/graph?content=entrepreneur&year_start=1700&year_end=2000&corpus=0&smoothing=3 Zoom in on what LOOKS like a likely candidate time period, and you'll find only unrelated texts, mostly in French, and the remaining instances of the term are the name of a ship. It is a falsely-attributed quotation. Probably deliberately on someone's part, but once these things start, they gain a life of their own. People repeating it use one another's repetition of it as confirmation.
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VideoTapir posted:If he wrote it, it was not in "Common Sense." Seriously, go check. Use the phrase "kept citizen" if you like: Wow, holy poo poo, I was totally suckered. This thing has such a life of its own that even legit sites attribute it to Common Sense, and it has been ages since I last looked at it. For me, it was easy to attribute to Thomas Paine simply because of his disdain for British nobility. Wow. Edit: Serves me right for not going to the source and checking immediately. archangelwar fucked around with this message at 16:00 on Dec 28, 2011 |
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archangelwar posted:Wow, holy poo poo, I was totally suckered. This thing has such a life of its own that even legit sites attribute it to Common Sense, and it has been ages since I last looked at it. For me, it was easy to attribute to Thomas Paine simply because of his disdain for British nobility. Wow. What legit sites? AFAIK, there are no quotation sites dedicated to more than one author that actually make any effort to keep things correct except maybe Wikiquote. They're ad farms, like lyrics sites.
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VideoTapir posted:What legit sites? AFAIK, there are no quotation sites dedicated to more than one author that actually make any effort to keep things correct except maybe Wikiquote. They're ad farms, like lyrics sites. Well I take that back, the sites are obviously not legit, but I figured they would do some fact checking. You have just shattered my entire world and now I can trust no one. 
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nsaP posted:I blame Chuck Norris. This column was copied in a small town rag in SE Ohio. My grandpa owns land out there and brought a paper into town. poo poo, if they read this kind of stuff in the paper and only watch Fox News on the satellite tv, I can see how they'd think there's a war on Christmas. Is there a link for this somewhere? Maybe Newsbusters mobile site is retarded (I'm on my phone) but I can't get to the original article for this.
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dorkasaurus_rex posted:Is there a link for this somewhere? Maybe Newsbusters mobile site is retarded (I'm on my phone) but I can't get to the original article for this. Try that, or just searching 'chuck norris fed christmas'. I'm on safari mobile now and that newsbusters link didn't work for me either.
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This has showed up in my Facebook feed  Service guarantees citizenship, I guess. Elder Postsman fucked around with this message at 02:12 on Dec 29, 2011 |
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dur posted:This has showed up in my Facebook feed three times today. Who's in 3, 4 (Nixon?), and 8?
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Pretty sure it's: Eisenhower, Kennedy, LBJ, Nixon Ford, Carter, Reagan, Bush I Bush 2, Clinton, Obama
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Dec 29, 2011 02:11
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LBJ, Nixon, and Bush Sr. in that order, I think. Did Reagan actually ever see active duty? I thought he was in the division that made films.
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VideoTapir posted:If he wrote it, it was not in "Common Sense." Seriously, go check. Use the phrase "kept citizen" if you like By Dr. Dean Alfrage http://argee.net/my_creed.htm
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Toffile posted:LBJ, Nixon, and Bush Sr. in that order, I think. Looks like he enlisted into the reserve in 1937 and was assigned to Troop B, 322nd Cavalry (holy crap!) in Iowa. He was nearsighted, so they couldn't send him overseas when he was called to active duty. They put him into the AAF Public Relations in '42 and he put on shows, helped in fund raisers, and made recruiting and training films.
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Its not like conservatives actually care. Remember that time there was a Dem candidate who have actually served in combat (Kerry). They literally just pretended he was lying about everything and turned it against the guy who was IN A loving WAR.
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Sarion posted:By Dr. Dean Alfrage Awesome, thanks! Now I have a topic of conversation next time I see it.
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Bombadilillo posted:Its not like conservatives actually care. Remember that time there was a Dem candidate who have actually served in combat (Kerry). They literally just pretended he was lying about everything and turned it against the guy who was IN A loving WAR. quote:Chambliss focused on the issue of national defense and homeland security during his campaign, and released an ad that included Osama bin Laden and Saddam Hussein, highlighting Cleland's record on the issues of war and terrorism.[8] All you have to do to win an election is literally photoshop your opponent next to Osama Bin Laden. No matter how untrue or hypocritical it is.
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XyloJW posted:All you have to do to win an election is literally photoshop your opponent next to Osama Bin Laden. No matter how untrue or hypocritical it is. By the way, Washington Post named that guy (Senator Saxby Chambliss) Best Leader of 2011.
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Bombadilillo posted:Its not like conservatives actually care. Remember that time there was a Dem candidate who have actually served in combat (Kerry). They literally just pretended he was lying about everything and turned it against the guy who was IN A loving WAR. One big part of why I dumped the Republican party. They (the party bosses and right-wing media personalities) are the first to want to go to war, but they don't do any of the fighting themselves.
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Sarion posted:By Dr. Dean Alfrage He's not much better for them, though: Wikipedia posted:[Alfrage] criticized the United States Supreme Court for its treatment of New Deal programs, urging they adopt a more progressive attitude towards the policies. He contended that the programs should not be evaluated solely on their legality, but on their possible moral and economic effects, as well as public perception at the time.[5] He supported Truman's notion of a Living Constitution.
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Racist family is acting up on facebook again, and my brother-in-law posted this beauty about a recent suspected Islamic Honor Killing. Now, it is obvious that this is still conjecture, since the guy's family life was a mess at that point anyway, but I know I have read similar stories dealing with members of the KKK or such groups who went after their families for issues like dating outside of their race. My google-fu is weak today.
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Absurd Alhazred posted:He's not much better for them, though: Oh yeah, he was a total liberal and supporter of FDR. The point is really to say "Look, when you pass this poo poo along, you're passing on false information like 99% of the time. Stop buying into it and stop spreading it."
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You really need to cite specific examples? How many white dads do you know that would flip out because their daughter is dating a black guy: http://newsone.com/nation/casey-gane-mccalla/father-threatens-to-kill-black-students-for-talking-to-daughter/ What about when a man kills/beats his wife because she spilled the milk or some other crazy thing? People use all sorts of hosed up poo poo to try to justify violence towards each other. God told me to kill my son: http://www.9news.com/news/article/205850/188/Dad-God-told-me-to-kill-my-son
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AlternateNu posted:Racist family is acting up on facebook again, and my brother-in-law posted this beauty about a recent suspected Islamic Honor Killing. I can't believe I just read a website called "Jihad Watch". Anyways, I fail to see their point. People kill their families for all kinds of reasons. Though, really they're all the same reason, they guy was clearly mentally unhealthy. The fact that he was Muslim may have been an ingredient in certain behaviors, like not liking this boy or that boy. But he didn't kill his whole family because he was a Muslim, he did it because he was out of his freaking mind. Just like these guys.
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Cynnik posted:You really need to cite specific examples? How many white dads do you know that would flip out because their daughter is dating a black guy: The thing is, he killed himself and five family members. Honor killings, unfortunately, really do happen in some places. But how could you claim this was an "honor killing". He didn't just kill his daughter, he killed his wife and other family members and himself. It wasn't even a case of "I don't like my daughter talking to infidels", he flat out lost it. Err... I didn't mean how could you, Cynnik, claim it was an honor killing. I meant the original website. It makes no sense, and I don't think you even need to argue that there are whites who hate it when their daughters date blacks, because this was so obviously so much more than that.
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Sarion posted:Err... I didn't mean how could you, Cynnik, claim it was an honor killing. I meant the original website. "One" is a good pronoun for avoiding confusion!
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 Implying Muslims praying shouldn't be okay, among other things.
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AlternateNu posted:Racist family is acting up on facebook again, and my brother-in-law posted this beauty about a recent suspected Islamic Honor Killing. quote:Alarmed Pig Farmer replied to comment from SSL | December 27, 2011 2:39 PM | Reply quote:ebonystone | December 27, 2011 2:56 PM | Reply quote:Xero G | December 27, 2011 3:04 PM | Reply
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xwonderboyx posted:
Oh, I know! Most of the people in Picture A have better throwing arms, right?
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xwonderboyx posted:
Why is this legal... but this is also? (See also "can't say Christmas")
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The second picture isn't okay because of this: Matthew 6:5-6 posted:And when you pray, do not be like the hypocrites, for they love to pray standing in the synagogues and on the street corners to be seen by others. Truly I tell you, they have received their reward in full. But when you pray, go into your room, close the door and pray to your Father, who is unseen. Then your Father, who sees what is done in secret, will reward you. So, who, other than some random gaggle of internet people, is actually complaining about Tebow? Dr Christmas fucked around with this message at 03:52 on Dec 30, 2011 |
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Dr Christmas posted:So, who, other than some random gaggle of internet people, is actually complaining about Tebow? A lot of people who actually watch football for the football parts are getting annoyed at him interrupting the game every score.
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Dr Christmas posted:The second picture isn't okay because of this: The announcers as well apparently. Its a victory celebration. It got old real quick and annoying real quick. But he's praying so...it an attack on our religiously founded national ideals and I bet your'd let a Mooslim pray after a 2 yards gain. You'd probably give him a pray rug and point him towards the Moon too.
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Dr Christmas posted:So, who, other than some random gaggle of internet people, is actually complaining about Tebow? Broncos fans who understand what a *good* quarterback is? The kid has captured the media's attention, and they shove his ridiculous antics/faith in our face every drat sunday. Just play the drat game! (see also the Matthew quote a few posts back)
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Dr Christmas posted:The second picture isn't okay because of this: I try to ignore everything about sports so I had no clue who that guy was before Christmas, when my brother was saying that sports people of all religious persuasions should be able to voice their feelings without censorship, and our Fox-news-watching aunt started going off about what a "loving idiot liberal moron" my brother was, that all "mooslems" should be executed, and this is a "Judeo-Christian" nation so "gently caress the rest of them". Merry Christmas? 
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Involuntary Sparkle posted:I try to ignore everything about sports so I had no clue who that guy was before Christmas, when my brother was saying that sports people of all religious persuasions should be able to voice their feelings without censorship, and our Fox-news-watching aunt started going off about what a "loving idiot liberal moron" my brother was, that all "mooslems" should be executed, and this is a "Judeo-Christian" nation so "gently caress the rest of them". This is when you hit your aunt with a rolled-up newspaper. It's the only way they'll learn. 
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I haven't heard of anybody actually suggesting that Tebow shouldn't be allowed to pray, but rather that it's irritating. The fact that it is irritating is due more to the media claiming divine intervention when the Broncos had a few 4th quarter comebacks. If his skills were due to divine intervention, then God should stay out of football, as he's not very good.
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Thenipwax posted:I haven't heard of anybody actually suggesting that Tebow shouldn't be allowed to pray, but rather that it's irritating. The fact that it is irritating is due more to the media claiming divine intervention when the Broncos had a few 4th quarter comebacks. If his skills were due to divine intervention, then God should stay out of football, as he's not very good. I'd be pretty pissed off if I was a Christian on the other team. He's basically implying God is making them lose or God is not on their side. I mean, what if the other side starts praying during the game?
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XyloJW posted:I'd be pretty pissed off if I was a Christian on the other team. He's basically implying God is making them lose or God is not on their side. I mean, what if the other side starts praying during the game? In fact, it's already been done.
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XyloJW posted:I'd be pretty pissed off if I was a Christian on the other team. He's basically implying God is making them lose or God is not on their side. I mean, what if the other side starts praying during the game?  The Broncos lost that game 48-10
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The SituAsian posted:
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