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Rocket Ace posted:This post contains spoilers if you have no knowledge of the story: Word on the street is that's his wife Also, that scene is from when they are being captured by the Mirkwood Elves, and that's more likely than not the hand of Tauriel holding Gloin's locket Mr. Gibbycrumbles fucked around with this message at 16:04 on Jan 6, 2012 |
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Mr. Gibbycrumbles posted:Word on the street is that's his wife NEAT! I was having trouble finding any speculation online about this. Thanks.
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Kingtheninja posted:This talk of necromancers sounds pretty awesome, is this all within the hobbit book? I might have to finally get off my rear end and read it. I don't see a problem with him being "the Necromancer." No more of a problem than some guy only being known as "the Doctor" or "the Master," or some chick as "the Rani."
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Jan 6, 2012 16:23
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Effingham posted:or some chick as "the Rani." Why must you bring this up? Why?
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Kemchimikemkem posted:It's not even my opinion, it literally is done. This is objective fact. It's been proven and is above dispute. I don't think you know what objective fact means. Or most of the words you just used. Do you have data to back up this "fact" that necromancer is "overdone"? How do you quantify overdone? VVV Oh. Well it's not funny 
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Erwin posted:I don't think you know what objective fact means. Or most of the words you just used. Do you have data to back up this "fact" that necromancer is "overdone"? How do you quantify overdone? He's trying to make a joke but unfortunately he lead into it with a river of torrentially bad opinions.
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I think the biggest problem with having The Necromancer/Sauron show up at the Battle of Five Armies is that Bilbo, in possession of The One Ring, is unconscious on the battlefield. It seems to me that there's no way the ragtag band of 500 Dwarves, some wood-elves, and second-class Men deliver a beatdown to Sauron leading two hosts of orcs and wargs when the Ring is literally a stone's throw away, Eagles be damned. If he shows up, he makes a beeline exactly for that ring and takes it and the entirety of Middle-Earth is straight hosed. That said, apparently Wikipedia has seen fit to go ahead and cite the article as a legitimate source for his appearance there, so, v  v
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Barehanded Brother posted:I think the biggest problem with having The Necromancer/Sauron show up at the Battle of Five Armies is that Bilbo, in possession of The One Ring, is unconscious on the battlefield. It seems to me that there's no way the ragtag band of 500 Dwarves, some wood-elves, and second-class Men deliver a beatdown to Sauron leading two hosts of orcs and wargs when the Ring is literally a stone's throw away, Eagles be damned. If he shows up, he makes a beeline exactly for that ring and takes it and the entirety of Middle-Earth is straight hosed. Firstly, Jackson is likely to take a lot of liberties with the size of the good guy's forces. Also, no way will Bilbo spend much of the battle unconscious. It's more likely that he only puts the ring on near the end of the battle, then just as Sauron spots where it is, the uber-uber showdown occurs where he gets tagteamed by Beorn, Gandalf, the King of the Eagles and whoever else, before he gets a chance to chase after the ring
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Mr. Gibbycrumbles posted:Firstly, Jackson is likely to take a lot of liberties with the size of the good guy's forces. Also, no way will Bilbo spend much of the battle unconscious. It's more likely that he only puts the ring on near the end of the battle, then just as Sauron spots where it is, the uber-uber showdown occurs where he gets tagteamed by Beorn, Gandalf, the King of the Eagles and whoever else, before he gets a chance to chase after the ring You really like to take one thing an actor said and spin it into "more likely" scenario.
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Mr. Gibbycrumbles posted:Firstly, Jackson is likely to take a lot of liberties with the size of the good guy's forces. Also, no way will Bilbo spend much of the battle unconscious. It's more likely that he only puts the ring on near the end of the battle, then just as Sauron spots where it is, the uber-uber showdown occurs where he gets tagteamed by Beorn, Gandalf, the King of the Eagles and whoever else, before he gets a chance to chase after the ring I'm not saying it wouldn't be totally badass, I just think it takes too substantial of a liberty with the Way Things Work in the Tolkien universe, not to mention Sauron's character. I mean, there's just so much of himself in that Ring, that there's no way he doesn't sense its presence on the battlefield immediately, regardless of whether it's being worn or not.
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Eh, not to be all spergy... but to be all spergy couldn't you say the same thing about Sauron not noticing Samn and Frodo in Mordor? I think the explanation there is that he's too busy with Gondor and his other armies to notice, I imagine that'd be the same for this case.
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I seem to recall that Sauron basically can't sense the location of the ring unless someone is wearing it, and even then his ability to sense it might depend on his own "health" since he never found out about Gollum until well after the fact.
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I'm curious what kind of a role they'll give Legolas, whether a passing nod with a few shots of him in Mirkwood, or real screen time with all out dialog and close ups in the Battle of Five Armies. It'd be awesome if, when the dwarf army comes, there's a young Gimli and he and Legolas have a moment on the battlefield fighting together and exchange curious looks before moving on. Though I don't know if Gimli was too young or even born at that point.
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Kemchimikemkem posted:It'd be awesome if
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Kemchimikemkem posted:I'm curious what kind of a role they'll give Legolas, whether a passing nod with a few shots of him in Mirkwood, or real screen time with all out dialog and close ups in the Battle of Five Armies. It'd be awesome if, when the dwarf army comes, there's a young Gimli and he and Legolas have a moment on the battlefield fighting together and exchange curious looks before moving on. Though I don't know if Gimli was too young or even born at that point. According to the appendices Gimli would have been 62 at the time of the battle. Not sure about Legolas but probably 1,000something.
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Kemchimikemkem posted:I'm curious what kind of a role they'll give Legolas, whether a passing nod with a few shots of him in Mirkwood, or real screen time with all out dialog and close ups in the Battle of Five Armies. It'd be awesome if, when the dwarf army comes, there's a young Gimli and he and Legolas have a moment on the battlefield fighting together and exchange curious looks before moving on. Though I don't know if Gimli was too young or even born at that point. This sounds just like when RLM talked about Han Solo being in the prequels.
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Kemchimikemkem posted:I'm curious what kind of a role they'll give Legolas, whether a passing nod with a few shots of him in Mirkwood, or real screen time with all out dialog and close ups in the Battle of Five Armies. It'd be awesome if, when the dwarf army comes, there's a young Gimli and he and Legolas have a moment on the battlefield fighting together and exchange curious looks before moving on. Though I don't know if Gimli was too young or even born at that point. Throughout the films, as the dwarves and Bilbo are on their journey, they'll flash to a closeup of Legolas in some random place and he'll say stupid things like "a red sun sets...spiders prepare to feast this night" and "a foul barrel is upon the water". No less out of place than some of his lines in LoTR.
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It's pretty clear to me that someone has explained to Cumberbatch about the War of Five Armies as a timeframe within the history of Middle-Earth relative to the time of the LotR trilogy and when he says "he's a character in the blahblahdeblah" he just means he's involved in the story. Similarly when he says "he's not a character in the Hobbit but he's something Peter wants to put in there" he just means we're going to see the Necromancer. There's nothing here to suppose he's going to come rolling in on an undead Balrog wearing the crown of Nagash and the Hail of Doom Arrow, so let's all chill out a bit. I'll spoiler that even though it's complete anti-conjecture-conjecture.
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canuckanese posted:According to the appendices Gimli would have been 62 at the time of the battle. Not sure about Legolas but probably 1,000something. Which is why I always twitched when Gimli said, "Let 'em go lad" LAD? Legolas was hundreds of times his age.
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Nurse Fanny posted:This sounds just like when RLM talked about Han Solo being in the prequels. Yeah maybe they'll run into young Boromor while they're there and Gandalf will look at all three wisely and go "Now don't get hurt you three. We have work to do soon!"
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Kemchimikemkem posted:I'm curious what kind of a role they'll give Legolas, whether a passing nod with a few shots of him in Mirkwood, or real screen time with all out dialog and close ups in the Battle of Five Armies. It'd be awesome if, when the dwarf army comes, there's a young Gimli and he and Legolas have a moment on the battlefield fighting together and exchange curious looks before moving on. Though I don't know if Gimli was too young or even born at that point. I imagine Legolas will be partying with the Mirkwood Elves (he is Thranduil's son after all), and will probably be one of the military leaders amongst the Mirkwood contingent in the BoFA. He has a confirmed speaking role, but it's probably quite small. I would guess he probably has the same sort of role and importance as Gamling in LotR Gimli should not be in it, but maybe Gloin drops his name when talking about his family or whatnot.
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I guess that they could have an Aragorn cameo since I think that he was being fostered in Rivendell around the time the book takes place. e; which would be a terrible idea. Kainser fucked around with this message at 01:09 on Jan 7, 2012 |
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Kainser posted:I guess that they could have an Aragorn cameo since I think that he was being fostered in Rivendell around the time the book takes place. The thing with that is if they did show him they would have to refer to him as "Estel", so it would fly over the heads of all the non-spergs anyway. Elrond was careful to keep his true "Aragorn" identity secret. So yes it would be a pointless scene.
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Kainser posted:I guess that they could have an Aragorn cameo since I think that he was being fostered in Rivendell around the time the book takes place. Ugh, that scene in the trailer of Bilbo looking at the broken sword better not involve young Aragorn (who would be... 25 at this time I think? I believe he was supposed to be in his 80s in LotR).
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Olibu posted:Ugh, that scene in the trailer of Bilbo looking at the broken sword better not involve young Aragorn (who would be... 25 at this time I think? I believe he was supposed to be in his 80s in LotR). Hahaha, I can just imagine Bilbo picking up the sword and then cut to young aragorn sitting in the shadows giving him a creepy look, then Bilbo tries to put the sword back quickly but it falls onto the floor and yes that would be an awful idea
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Mr. Gibbycrumbles posted:Hahaha, I can just imagine Bilbo picking up the sword and then cut to young aragorn sitting in the shadows giving him a creepy look, then Bilbo tries to put the sword back quickly but it falls onto the floor and yes that would be an awful idea This would be amazing just for how terrible it would be. It kinda makes me want to see it.
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I'm holding out for Legolas somehow inventing windsurfing in Laketown.
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BetterLekNextTime posted:I'm holding out for Legolas somehow inventing windsurfing in Laketown. In the movie's climax, Bard actually kills Smaug the same way Legolas killed that elephant thing.
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Mr. Gibbycrumbles posted:Hahaha, I can just imagine Bilbo picking up the sword and then cut to young aragorn sitting in the shadows giving him a creepy look, then Bilbo tries to put the sword back quickly but it falls onto the floor and yes that would be an awful idea 'The shards of Narsil. The blade that cut the ring from Sauron's hand. Still sharp!... But no more than a broken hilt'.
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Man, I hope they don't pull something like that with Aragorn. Maybe a split-second shot of a young him as an Easter Egg though.canuckanese posted:According to the appendices Gimli would have been 62 at the time of the battle. Not sure about Legolas but probably 1,000something. BetterLekNextTime posted:I'm holding out for Legolas somehow inventing windsurfing in Laketown.
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Kemchimikemkem posted:Man, I hope they don't pull something like that with Aragorn. Maybe a split-second shot of a young him as an Easter Egg though. What would a young Aragorn look like anyway? If he is roughly 25 at the time of The Hobbit, is that meant to be early childhood for a Númenórean?
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Having Aragorn in this movie would raise it to Star Wars prequel status, indicating a general lack of quality or passion in the project that would literally be the death of me. I trust Peter Jackson, he's not going to shove an Aragorn into an already slightly bloated production. Please god, let that be true.
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Octy posted:What would a young Aragorn look like anyway? If he is roughly 25 at the time of The Hobbit, is that meant to be early childhood for a Númenórean? I never thought long-lived Numenoreans implied that their entire life cycle was stretched out; I figured they would grow up more or less at a normal rate, they'd just stay in their prime much longer. 25 might be "late teenager" for someone like Aragorn. Also, I thought it was "no more than a broken heirloom".
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Octy posted:What would a young Aragorn look like anyway?
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I dunno, would a little boy without elf ears handing Elrond a drink at the party with a "Thank you Estel" and then walking off really be grossly offensive?
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Szmitten posted:I dunno, would a little boy without elf ears handing Elrond a drink at the party with a "Thank you Estel" and then walking off really be grossly offensive? Yes, small children should not be serving alcoholic drinks to their elders. What sort of message is that teaching them exactly?
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A pubescent Aragorn portrayed by Viggo Mortensen will appear, and he will deliver all of his lines in the same pitch and tone as "it has no other master!"
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Mr. Gibbycrumbles posted:
You could cut yourself on those cheekbones  Also, when I hear about a young Aragorn cameo, am I the only one who envisions an awful Phantom Menace-like scenario with this kid running around Rivendell and creepily treating an adult Arwen like his mommy?  edit: I just did a littke research and apparently Aragorn did not meet Arwen until he was 20. How nice that Tolkien chose not to make that romance loving creepy as hell. kaworu fucked around with this message at 18:13 on Jan 7, 2012 |
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