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SWITCH HITLER posted:"Concepcion was the Ozzie Smith of his day" And even ignoring that, no he wasn't.
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stimpy posted:How do you think Dave Concepcion is worthy of the HoF, and NOT Barry Larkin? (thank god joe morgan does not have a hall of fame vote)
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Maybe someone that follows baseball more than I do can explain why someone who doesn't cover baseball gets to have a vote? Do people that don't cover college football vote on the Heisman or AP poll? Anyway, I thought The Platoon Advantage had the best answer for people rationalizing stupid HOF voting.
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You get a Hall of Fame vote by being a BBWAA member for 10 years and then get to keep it forever. There are a lot of people like Phil Hersch who have votes but haven't covered baseball in ages because of that. Hersch actually seems pretty knowledgeable about baseball to this day and hates Rachel Flatt as much as I do so I'm okay with him though 
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Jan 11, 2012 01:38
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Cross-posted from the gif thread, but I just don't get why anybody would bother putting these words on paper even for an op-ed piece: City of Atlanta doesn't deserve win I guess Rob Parker's job is to be ESPN NY's crazy militant homer guy?
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Jan 11, 2012 17:06
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No Safe Word posted:Cross-posted from the gif thread, but I just don't get why anybody would bother putting these words on paper even for an op-ed piece: Given the amount of discussion it's generated, I'd say Parker accomplished his mission.
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barkingclam posted:Maybe someone that follows baseball more than I do can explain why someone who doesn't cover baseball gets to have a vote? Do people that don't cover college football vote on the Heisman or AP poll? That one got them kicked out of the SweetSpot network
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Jan 11, 2012 17:39
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Mornacale posted:Everyone, I'm going to let you all in on a little secret: most of the BBWAA writers make most of their decisions for purely emotional reasons, and then make post hoc rationalizations of who they do/don't want in. There is no rational process by which you can question that vote, because there was no rational process used to make it. The fact that Cal Ripken Jr. didn't get 100% of the vote (I know, he got 98% but still) proves this.
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CBS hired Jim Rome and is apparently having him involved in pretty much all of their coverage across sports  e:  also works here
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Jan 11, 2012 21:15
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leokitty posted:CBS hired Jim Rome and is apparently having him involved in pretty much all of their coverage across sports I don't know if I can handle Jim Rome during the NCAA tournament. Or anything else really, but especially the tournament.
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Jan 11, 2012 21:17
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The field caught up to Jim Rome a long time ago, I don't see how this move is particularly horrifying
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Crion posted:3B Yankees is the new QB Eagles I believe you mean Redskins LB #56
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stimpy posted:I don't know if I can handle Jim Rome during the NCAA tournament. Or anything else really, but especially the tournament. Still can't believe that fucker makes a reported $30 mil/year off his radio show.
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Jan 11, 2012 22:36
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haljordan posted:The fact that Cal Ripken Jr. didn't get 100% of the vote (I know, he got 98% but still) proves this. Cal Ripken Jr didn't get 100% because of the Pete Rose guys + a (NY?) sportswriter who used it to make a name for himself by insinuating Ripken used steroids and that's why he stayed healthy all those games
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Jan 11, 2012 23:20
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No Safe Word posted:Cross-posted from the gif thread, but I just don't get why anybody would bother putting these words on paper even for an op-ed piece: if he's going strictly by attendance to prove his point, how are miami and tampa not by far the worst? The Braves were in the upper 50th percentile in both years shown and it was important enough in his story to get the lead photo caption.
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BackInTheUSSR posted:if he's going strictly by attendance to prove his point, how are miami and tampa not by far the worst? The Braves were in the upper 50th percentile in both years shown and it was important enough in his story to get the lead photo caption. Because neither of those teams were facing the Giants in a playoff game?
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BackInTheUSSR posted:if he's going strictly by attendance to prove his point, how are miami and tampa not by far the worst? The Braves were in the upper 50th percentile in both years shown and it was important enough in his story to get the lead photo caption. Yeah I don't get why being average to above average in attendance for most things qualifies them as "the worst sports town" quote:Without question, Atlanta is the worst sports town in America. quote:Your typical Atlanta fan -- who is probably from another city since so few are actually from ATL -- will be preoccupied with something else. They might not even be sure what time the game is on. quote:The NHL wanted to believe Atlanta is a major-league city, a city that could support all four major sports. But it can't. Atlanta is now the first city in the NHL's modern history to lose two hockey teams. So sad.
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The Thrashers moved because of their dumbshit owners running the team into the ground, not because of the city of Atlanta
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quote:But it's Atlanta, known as Hotlanta. These are my favorite paragraphs in the history of sportswriting, btw.
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"epitome of the bottom of the barrel" how do you loving get paid to write that phrase
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If the Yankees started stinking their attendance would drop. It didn't actually go through the roof until they acquired A-Rod V V
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As a part-time Southerner, holy Jesus is that offensive in so many ways. Atlanta blows, sure, but for absolutely none of the reasons that were outlined in that piece of toilet paper. I hate Northeastern sportswriters so much. Well, I hate all sportswriters, but especially New York and Boston ones.
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The concept of a team/fans of a team not "deserving" to win because they don't attend games, or because other people who live in the same city aren't fans at all, is possibly the most mindbending, ludicrous concept ingrained in the world of sports. Who are all these people who are somehow obligated to like or care about baseball enough to go to games and buy merch. If someone doesn't want to go to games, they don't want to go to games. 
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The theory is that the people who didn't watch the games and follow the team previously will become glory-hunters once the team starts winning. The question is whether they "deserve" to revel in the glow that comes with their team winning a title. You're right in that it's all pretty silly.
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The Prisoner posted:As a part-time writer, holy Jesus is that offensive in so many ways. This too.
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leokitty posted:If the Yankees started stinking their attendance would drop. It didn't actually go through the roof until they acquired A-Rod V Attendance at the stadium from 2005-2008 was the most amazing thing. 2008 had exactly 7 games under 50,000 people 
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SWITCH HITLER posted:Attendance at the stadium from 2005-2008 was the most amazing thing. 2008 had exactly 7 games under 50,000 people That's mostly number magic outside of August and September, honestly. Most of the time on weeknights it looked like this  (about 2/3-3/4 full) And during the first two months of the year the weather was terrible and it was empty
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leokitty posted:That's mostly number magic outside of August and September, honestly. Most of the time on weeknights it looked like this If following the Red Sox has taught me anything it's that you can spin a 3/4 empty stadium for game two of a doubleheader on a rainy Sunday with the worst pitcher in the world starting as a "sell-out," and the local media will eat it up.
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New Yankee Stadium will have 2-3 entire sections empty (I assume they're reserved or something) and they're pretty much at 45-52k every game. On that note it is really fascinating watching clips of the dynasty years and seeing the upper deck in right pretty much completely empty. My dad always talks about how he could just go up and get a ticket on gameday until A-Rod was brought in.
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The Goog posted:If following the Red Sox has taught me anything it's that you can spin a 3/4 empty stadium for game two of a doubleheader on a rainy Sunday with the worst pitcher in the world starting as a "sell-out," and the local media will eat it up. "Sellouts" are judged based on the number of tickets sold, not the actual seated attendance that passed through the gates.
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Nut Bunnies posted:New Yankee Stadium will have 2-3 entire sections empty (I assume they're reserved or something) and they're pretty much at 45-52k every game. I was able to do this until the new stadium opened for most games. Nowadays the upperdeck is pretty much always sold out.
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zakharov posted:I was able to do this until the new stadium opened for most games. Nowadays the upperdeck is pretty much always sold out. It's something like a full 33% smaller, bleachers are 50% smaller.
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chutwig posted:"Sellouts" are judged based on the number of tickets sold, not the actual seated attendance that passed through the gates. Of course. But when the actual attendance is that small, and tickets are almost always available day-of-game even when the stadium winds up packed, it's basically impossible to accept that every available ticket was sold to someone other than the Boston Red Sox.
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DO YALL WANT A BOXC posted:Atlanta is a loving awful sports town but that has nothing to do with deserving to win anything Never having been to Atlanta, but following the Braves my entire life, I was wondering if the story about the Ted having no public transportation to it has anything to do with the Braves' lack of support. I would hope it was that instead of taking all the winning seasons for granted in the 90s.
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stuart scott irl posted:That one got them kicked out of the SweetSpot network
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peepoogenderparts posted:Never having been to Atlanta, but following the Braves my entire life, I was wondering if the story about the Ted having no public transportation to it has anything to do with the Braves' lack of support. There is public transportation, but it is a bit of a pain. You have to take the train to the downtown station (Five Points), then you can catch a shuttle to Turner Field from there, it is about a 10 minute shuttle ride I think? The problem is that the train lines only run North-South and East-West, and only in Fulton and Dekalb county, which doesn't cover very much of Metro Atlanta
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Is it me or does Skip Bayless suck? When he and Stephen A. Smith are on ESPN its almost unwatchable for me.
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E2M2 posted:Is it me or does Skip Bayless suck? When he and Stephen A. Smith are on ESPN its almost unwatchable for me. No you are correct, he does suck. I too am just discovering this in the year 2005.
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