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So I'm a little late to the PS3 party, but how is FF13? After playing through 7 8, and 9 again thanks to the PSN I am looking for something similar to waste time on. I've been reading some of the reviews (trying to minimize spoilers) and they all seem really, really mixed. Personally I loved every FF until 10, which wasn't terrible exactly, but I never did finish it. Is this along the same lines? I guess my favorite was 8 because of the really deep junctioning system, which imo was a lot more interesting than "kill things, level up, repeat". I'm already planning to pick up Demon's Souls too since it is cheap, but I figure I'd grab a more casual RPG to help vent my inevitable rage, as well.
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Honey Badger posted:So I'm a little late to the PS3 party, but how is FF13? According to the FFXIII-2 thread, skip 13 and get 13-2.
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Feb 6, 2012 03:15
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Honey Badger posted:So I'm a little late to the PS3 party, but how is FF13? After playing through 7 8, and 9 again thanks to the PSN I am looking for something similar to waste time on. I've been reading some of the reviews (trying to minimize spoilers) and they all seem really, really mixed. Personally I loved every FF until 10, which wasn't terrible exactly, but I never did finish it. Is this along the same lines? I guess my favorite was 8 because of the really deep junctioning system, which imo was a lot more interesting than "kill things, level up, repeat". FF13 is it's own monster. You're in a pretty hallway for 20 hours, go in one open field, and you're back to hallways. All fights for the first 1/3 (20 hours or so) can be won by pressing X, then you get more than 3 teammates and can make up your own squad. You'll switch between different formations between buffing/debuffing, healing, and attacking and you'll be doing that 'til the end. The story is conventional, convoluted FF fare, no towns, no options, no NPC's, and like FFX and on, you have to hear the characters talk. You can probably get it super cheap, but it's still asking a lot for all the time it asks of you. Try Valkyria Chronicles or Vagrant Story if you haven't.
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Feb 6, 2012 03:18
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DOUBLE CLICK HERE posted:FF13 is it's own monster. You're in a pretty hallway for 20 hours, go in one open field, and you're back to hallways. All fights for the first 1/3 (20 hours or so) can be won by pressing X, then you get more than 3 teammates and can make up your own squad. You'll switch between different formations between buffing/debuffing, healing, and attacking and you'll be doing that 'til the end. The story is conventional, convoluted FF fare, no towns, no options, no NPC's, and like FFX and on, you have to hear the characters talk. Thanks, good to know. Might pass on it then. I do have Vagrant Story too, great game even after all this time. I'd heard about Valkyria Chronicles, but isn't it more of a strategy type game than an RPG? Then again, I also really enjoyed FF Tactics and Advanced Wars and stuff so maybe it would be up my alley. At least most of these games are really cheap now.
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Feb 6, 2012 03:34
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Honey Badger posted:Thanks, good to know. Might pass on it then. I do have Vagrant Story too, great game even after all this time. I'd heard about Valkyria Chronicles, but isn't it more of a strategy type game than an RPG? Then again, I also really enjoyed FF Tactics and Advanced Wars and stuff so maybe it would be up my alley. Valkyria Chronicles is kind of its own thing - it's a bit like X-COM, but it's not, and it has RPG trappings, and just play it already. Actually take a look for yourself and see if it's something you might fancy. Worked for me. edit: Picked a better video.
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Feb 6, 2012 03:46
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FFXIII-2 is so loving good that I recommend blasting through 13 to get to it.
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Feb 6, 2012 03:47
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Honey Badger posted:So I'm a little late to the PS3 party, but how is FF13?
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Feb 6, 2012 04:05
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Mug posted:FFXIII-2 is so loving good that I recommend blasting through 13 to get to it.
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Feb 6, 2012 04:07
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Mug posted:FFXIII-2 is so loving good that I recommend blasting through 13 to get to it. Why? You don't need to know what the story line is, because it is completely nonsensical in both. In fact just skip both games, they both suck. If you absolutely have to buy 13-2, wait until it drops down in price, like 13 did. That game was under $30 within a few months. 13-2 still suffers the same problems as 13, completely lifeless gameworld with very wooden characters, no real NPC interaction, combat is just press X non-stop, and feels very disconnected. I said come in! fucked around with this message at 04:25 on Feb 6, 2012 |
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Feb 6, 2012 04:22
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Is there a list of PS3 games that allow at least 6 player multiplayer all in the one room on one PS3? Other than Sports games that is as we have them covered. PSN games are good as well.
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Feb 6, 2012 06:01
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Fists Up posted:Is there a list of PS3 games that allow at least 6 player multiplayer all in the one room on one PS3? According to co-optimus the PS3 has 3 games that allow 6+ local: Beatles Rock Band, NHL 10, and Rock Band 3. PSN only has X-Men Arcade. Not sure how up to date those lists are but I don't think I've seen very many myself. VVV Yep, Beatles allows the 3 main instruments with 3 singers. RB3 is the same plus the keyboard. pizza valentine fucked around with this message at 06:39 on Feb 6, 2012 |
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Feb 6, 2012 06:12
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Jjaarreett posted:According to co-optimus the PS3 has 3 games that allow 6+ local: Beatles Rock Band, NHL 10, and Rock Band 3. PSN only has X-Men Arcade. Not sure how up to date those lists are but I don't think I've seen very many myself. Im not holding out for many but I know for a fact that you can do it in all the FIFA games. Im guessing Rock Band would be with 3 singers?
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Feb 6, 2012 06:31
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Found a list buried somewhere. I cannot attest to its accuracy.pre:FIFA 08 (7) (coop and versus) FIFA 09 (7) (coop and versus) FIFA 10 (7) (coop and versus) Madden NFL 08 (7) (coop and versus) Madden NFL 09 (7) (coop and versus) Madden NFL 10 (7) (coop and versus) Euro 2008 (7) (coop and versus) Fifa Street 3 (7) (coop and versus) NBA live 08 (7) (coop and versus) NBA live 09 (7) (coop and versus) NBA 2K8 (7) (coop and versus) NBA 2K9 (7) (coop and versus) NBA Street Homecourt (7) coop and versus) High Velocity Bowling (8 hotseated) WWE SmackDown vs. Raw 2008 (6 versus) WWE smackDown vs. Raw 2009 (6 versus) WWE SmackDown vs. Raw 2010 (6 versus) Burnout Paradise (8 hotseated- party pack required Singstar (2 co-op) (8 versus) Singstar Vol 2 (2 co-op)(8 versus) Singstar ABBA (2 co-op) (8 versus) Bomberman Ultra(7) Buzz Quiz TV (8)
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Feb 6, 2012 06:52
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I've never actually toyed around with it, but I'm pretty sure Rock Band 3's limit is 7 players in All Instruments mode or something. I think it doesn't score singers though? There's something weird about it, but if you've got seven people sitting around playing videogames you're probably making your own fun and aren't too worried about points. Should be Guitar/Bass/Drums/Keyboard/Harmonies (three singers).
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Feb 6, 2012 06:55
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That reminds me. I pretty much need to buy a Rock Band 2 setup plus a keyboard to do Rock Band 3, right? there was never a bundle, was there? I have 2 on the wii, but... ehhhhh. I really want to get back into Rock Band, but I want it in HD and would prefer it on the PS3 instead of loving around on the wii [plus I want to play with my friends, who all have it on ps3]
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Feb 6, 2012 06:58
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Just looking around a bit it doesn't look like a Rock Band 3 bundle came out a while after the fact and I know around release there being no bundle was a pretty big thing. As long as you don't care about Pro Guitar you can just grab a RB2 bundle and a keyboard and you'll be set, yeah. I don't know how cheap you can find them though, looking around Amazon it doesn't look like the prices have plummeted.
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Feb 6, 2012 07:02
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MaliciousOnion posted:Found a list buried somewhere. I cannot attest to its accuracy. Anyone know whats up with how the burnout paradise one would work?
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Feb 6, 2012 07:22
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Fists Up posted:Anyone know whats up with how the burnout paradise one would work? You play one after the other so you only need one controller. You get tasks like whoever does the most barrel rolls in 1 minute and then it switches to another activity.
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Feb 6, 2012 07:27
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On the topic of FFXIII-2, I've only played the demo but is it just me or have the graphics gotten worse? I mean, it was a terrible demo overall with QTEs in the middle of fights and an end boss totally unbalanced to the rest of the game, but the graphics definitely stuck out at me as being particularly shoddy in comparison to XIII.
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Feb 6, 2012 09:43
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Question Mark Mound posted:On the topic of FFXIII-2, I've only played the demo but is it just me or have the graphics gotten worse? I mean, it was a terrible demo overall with QTEs in the middle of fights and an end boss totally unbalanced to the rest of the game, but the graphics definitely stuck out at me as being particularly shoddy in comparison to XIII. I haven't played it, but in a review I read the graphics are noticeably worse specifically because you're in maps with directions other than forward.
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Feb 6, 2012 10:17
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What bugs me the most in FF13-2 isn't the actual graphics themselves but the framerate. After playing SC5 for a while, FF13-2 feels like it lags substantially, especially during cutscenes with a lot of Standard Final Fantasy Pyrefly Effects.
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Feb 6, 2012 10:28
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DOUBLE CLICK HERE posted:I haven't played it, but in a review I read the graphics are noticeably worse specifically because you're in maps with directions other than forward.
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Feb 6, 2012 10:29
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It's not just the graphics. The character animations, particularly in battle, are worse in 13-2. The models do that "snap-to" thing where they move from one stance to a totally different stance without having to go through the intermediate motions. It's really jarring. I thought FF13 was a so-so romp, but the 13-2 demo killed it for me. I just don't give a poo poo about pokemons or a cutesy moogle sidekicks kupo. And I'm definitely not going to put up with it to play a bunch of strung-together sidequests only to get TO BE CONTINUED at the end. Just get Valkyria Chronicles, an actual Good Game and play that instead.
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Feb 6, 2012 10:40
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This Jacket Is Me posted:It's not just the graphics. The character animations, particularly in battle, are worse in 13-2. The models do that "snap-to" thing where they move from one stance to a totally different stance without having to go through the intermediate motions. It's really jarring. Wow, I thought you meant end of the demo, not the loving game, gently caress that poo poo. The tiniest, slimmest margin of interest I had seems about gone now.
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Feb 6, 2012 10:46
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Just how bad is the story anyway? I read an article from someone who had previously interviewed the game's director had written and it seems that even he (the director) couldn't give an explanation why changing stuff in the future will change the past.
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Feb 6, 2012 11:15
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Question Mark Mound posted:Just how bad is the story anyway? I read an article from someone who had previously interviewed the game's director had written and it seems that even he (the director) couldn't give an explanation why changing stuff in the future will change the past. This is pretty clearly explained in the game. Also the story is pretty okay and the gameplay is great so do whatever I guess. Edit: to briefly explain your characters go into the future and kill monsters/fix problems that exist simultaneously at all points in time, destroying them at any point in history removes them from the entire timeline, rewriting history. Three balls on a cliff etc. Mug fucked around with this message at 12:16 on Feb 6, 2012 |
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Feb 6, 2012 12:14
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This Jacket Is Me posted:It's not just the graphics. The character animations, particularly in battle, are worse in 13-2. The models do that "snap-to" thing where they move from one stance to a totally different stance without having to go through the intermediate motions. It's really jarring. Pretty much this. Final Fantasy isn't a game series to get excited over anymore, not enough to pay $60 for at least. Between those complaints and the fact that the combat really has barely changed at all, and the world isn't that much linear than before, it just isn't worth playing.
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Feb 6, 2012 13:14
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If you think 13-2 is only slightly less linear than 13 I don't know what the gently caress you've been playing. Either you found a shitload more open areas in 13, or your copy of 13-2 is broken.
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Feb 6, 2012 14:12
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I haven't played FF13 or FF13-2 and I don't really like JRPGs either, but watching reviews for the games makes the combat look pretty fun and it looks gorgeous too. I wish they'd make a game where it's literally just the combat system and everything else is stripped out, I'd probably buy it.
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Feb 6, 2012 15:24
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Fists Up posted:Is there a list of PS3 games that allow at least 6 player multiplayer all in the one room on one PS3? Pixeljunk Racers (if that does not count as a sports game). With 7 people playing it is actually a lot of fun.
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Feb 6, 2012 16:07
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MUFFlNS posted:I haven't played FF13 or FF13-2 and I don't really like JRPGs either, but watching reviews for the games makes the combat look pretty fun and it looks gorgeous too. I wish they'd make a game where it's literally just the combat system and everything else is stripped out, I'd probably buy it. Like others have said, if you want to give 13-2 a try, waiting a couple of months for the inevitable price drop might be worth it.
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Feb 6, 2012 16:52
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MUFFlNS posted:I haven't played FF13 or FF13-2 and I don't really like JRPGs either, but watching reviews for the games makes the combat look pretty fun and it looks gorgeous too. I wish they'd make a game where it's literally just the combat system and everything else is stripped out, I'd probably buy it. From the reviews I've read that seems to be exactly what FF13 is. Super, super linear, story is there as filler, no towns or NPCs, just a really streamlined combat system that alot of the reviews really like. But they also say that it takes a looong time before you get full control over it and it since the game wants to hold your hand and walk you through every single detail of it. Granted I haven't played it yet either, thats just what pretty much all of the reviews are saying. I might still pick it up to try it out because its $15 and the FF games were never all that "open world" to begin with, and the combat does seem fun once you get to the meat of it. I want to try Valkyria Chronicles too, but I really hate that "anime 13 year old girls in the middle of a war" thing. Games like that make me feel like a creepy lecher. At the very least I'll be buying Demon's Souls, though.
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Feb 6, 2012 16:53
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Honey Badger posted:I want to try Valkyria Chronicles too, but I really hate that "anime 13 year old girls in the middle of a war" thing. Games like that make me feel like a creepy lecher. Your loss, bub, although none of the main characters are younger than 18 or so, except possibly Isara. Personally I think being able to tear through an enemy platoon with a valley girl, Vyse from Skies of Arcadia and Gay John DiMaggio is part of the charm.
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Feb 6, 2012 17:00
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^^yeah VC was awesomeHoney Badger posted:I want to try Valkyria Chronicles too, but I really hate that "anime 13 year old girls in the middle of a war" thing. Games like that make me feel like a creepy lecher. I agree, but VC was charming and fun in spite of all the anime. There's nothing in either FF13 or FF13-2 that would make up for hearing a 12 year old's coming of age story or asking your magical time-travelling moogle for help.
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Feb 6, 2012 17:01
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Honey Badger posted:I want to try Valkyria Chronicles too, but I really hate that "anime 13 year old girls in the middle of a war" thing. Games like that make me feel like a creepy lecher. VC is one of the best strategy games on the PS3 and also the absolute most tame and chaste anime game around. Just don't touch the Agarest games or your head will explode or something, those are the actual creepy lecher anime ones.
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Feb 6, 2012 17:20
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The thing that too many people miss with VC because of the anime style is that it is genuinely a really, really good strategy game.
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Feb 6, 2012 17:39
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I said come in! posted:Pretty much this. Final Fantasy isn't a game series to get excited over anymore, not enough to pay $60 for at least. Between those complaints and the fact that the combat really has barely changed at all, and the world isn't that much linear than before, it just isn't worth playing. As I said in the actual thread, I'm really not enjoying FFXIII-2 much, but you're kidding yourself if you think it isn't significantly less linear than the predecessor. In all honesty, it's honestly less linear than a fair number of Final Fantasy games. This isn't always to its benefit but you actually get to choose where to go. If anything, this is what bothers me about it. The game is insanely unfocused. It's hard to get the drive to do anything because there's no real sense of forward progress, just more poo poo opening up and another fifteen minute cutscene where Serah says the word "Paradox" approximately 9000 times. The gameplay is inarguibly better than the previous game but it's so unfocused that I have a hard time caring. ImpAtom fucked around with this message at 18:05 on Feb 6, 2012 |
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Feb 6, 2012 17:54
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ImpAtom posted:The game is insanely unfocused. It's hard to get the drive to do anything because there's no real sense of forward progress, just more poo poo opening up and another fifteen minute cutscene where Serah says the word "Paradox" approximately 9000 times. I've barely only started with the meat of the game, but right now it feels very Saturday Morning Cartoonish. "Let's go find the artefact! Maybe that cat has it! No? How about that pack of kids! Oh hoh everyone has come together to see us off!" It's not just the specific events - those are pretty par for the course RPG-wise - but something about how they're repeated back to the player. Maybe it's just because it's trying to hand-hold me through the early game.
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Feb 6, 2012 18:02
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Stelas posted:I've barely only started with the meat of the game, but right now it feels very Saturday Morning Cartoonish. "Let's go find the artefact! Maybe that cat has it! No? How about that pack of kids! Oh hoh everyone has come together to see us off!" It's not just the specific events - those are pretty par for the course RPG-wise - but something about how they're repeated back to the player. Maybe it's just because it's trying to hand-hold me through the early game. Yeah, this keeps happening. I think part of it is because the game is designed somewhat nonlinearly. They can't assume the audience went to (timezone A) before (timezone B) except in the cases where (timezone A) is unlocked by visiting (timezone B), and so they feel the need to repeat stuff over and over to make sure nobody misses it. ... but then they do that with areas you can only access one way too. It's mind-boggling.
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Feb 6, 2012 18:07
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ImpAtom posted:If anything, this is what bothers me about it. The game is insanely unfocused. It's hard to get the drive to do anything because there's no real sense of forward progress [...]. The gameplay is inarguibly better than the previous game but it's so unfocused that I have a hard time caring. This is how I've felt about every FF game I've played. I started with VIII and liked it well enough, but never got around to beating it because I stopped caring. I kept trying other ones that I was told were better (VII, IX, VI, IV) to figure out why it was such a popular series, and I still haven't figured it out. While I can see some of the appeal, none of the games really strike the rigth balance between Too unfocused and Too linear.
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