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Wili posted:Oh, come on. Now even the update graphs are getting suspenseful. I guess Elan's about to find out what's happened to Roy. And it looks like V's noticed what's about to happen upstairs, at least. I hope she has a feather fall.
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Feb 9, 2012 10:16
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Even if Rich's Kickstarter becomes one of the top five ever, it likely won't be there for long. If you haven't seen, Double Fine Productions have put up their own Kickstarter for a new adventure game, and in less than 24 hours it has already had more than $370,000 pledged. Rich'll need to think up some absolutely incredible new rewards to top whatever they'll end up getting. Edit: It's $370,000 in eight hours.
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Feb 9, 2012 10:54
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Yeah well good luck competing with Double Fine productions :P He's at least going to stay on the top 10 for a while.
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fallingdownjoe posted:Even if Rich's Kickstarter becomes one of the top five ever, it likely won't be there for long. If you haven't seen, Double Fine Productions have put up their own Kickstarter for a new adventure game, and in less than 24 hours it has already had more than $370,000 pledged. Rich'll need to think up some absolutely incredible new rewards to top whatever they'll end up getting.
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Feb 9, 2012 12:37
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Colon V posted:Aren't there also talks about Notch funding Psychonauts 2 for Double Fine? If this means two different DF games in a window of a couple of years, I will be one happy bastard. There have been like 4 in just the past year and a half... (all downloadable stuff, but Double Fine games nonetheless)
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I had great fun with Costume Quest, which they released a while ago. It's not long, and certainly not perfect, but it's got a lot of the old charm of Psychonauts.
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Feb 9, 2012 12:54
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fallingdownjoe posted:I had great fun with Costume Quest, which they released a while ago. It's not long, and certainly not perfect, but it's got a lot of the old charm of Psychonauts. Playing that game while drunk on Halloween with my girlfriend was an experience. She's not from America, so she never did the whole Trick or Treating thing. So what inappropriate body part does the main character of Ennis' kids book have for a face, anyway?
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Feb 9, 2012 15:05
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Cuchulain posted:Playing that game while drunk on Halloween with my girlfriend was an experience. She's not from America, so she never did the whole Trick or Treating thing. I'm hoping there will be meat-mannequin loving.
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Cuchulain posted:Playing that game while drunk on Halloween with my girlfriend was an experience. She's not from America, so she never did the whole Trick or Treating thing. I'm not from America, either. I've just gathered from pop culture (mainly the Simpsons and Calvin & Hobbes) that it's a Thing in the US. I thought the game was just really sweet. I think I'm going to go boot it up this evening, actually.
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Feb 9, 2012 18:03
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And the kickstarter is up to $577,820 as I write this! More than 1000% funding! 
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Feb 9, 2012 19:47
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My Lovely Horse posted:Nevermind the localisms, his editor will have their work cut out for them. I will say this for Garth Ennis- he totally avoided all the usual "I am edgy" cliches in Dan Dare. It's a straightforward modern update of the character, with a good war-story vibe.
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Feb 9, 2012 23:19
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Maxwell Lord posted:I will say this for Garth Ennis- he totally avoided all the usual "I am edgy" cliches in Dan Dare. It's a straightforward modern update of the character, with a good war-story vibe. Garth Ennis can write the hell out of a war story. It's scary how well he does them.
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Feb 9, 2012 23:21
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prefect posted:Garth Ennis can write the hell out of a war story. It's scary how well he does them. I thought he was bitter his war story stuff, which he apparently likes to do,isn't as popular as his other stuff. This may motivate what happens in his other, more mainstream works. But, hey! It looks like the funding drive will end before it slows down.
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Feb 9, 2012 23:31
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MikeJF posted:New update on the kickstarter, and apparently two-fifths of the money is going to postage. I just got the $10, but if there'd been a 'don't worry about the magnet' box I'd have ticked it. I just wanted the stories, and he's not gonna get any money after shipping to Oz. There is! Go to Manage My Pledge and tick the first box, "No Reward - No thanks, I just want to help the project."
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Feb 9, 2012 23:57
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ColdPie posted:There is! Go to Manage My Pledge and tick the first box, "No Reward - No thanks, I just want to help the project." I was just worried that'd take me off the list for the digital rewards, though.
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MikeJF posted:I was just worried that'd take me off the list for the digital rewards, though. Oh, right. Yeah I dunno.
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Feb 10, 2012 00:06
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MikeJF posted:I was just worried that'd take me off the list for the digital rewards, though. Keep the 10 dollar reward. At the end of the pledge a survey will be sent out. You can just say no magnet on that and he wont ship you one.
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Feb 10, 2012 00:21
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So if I want to get the most OotS story for my buck, which package would I want to get? I don't own any of the books at all.
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Kruller posted:So if I want to get the most OotS story for my buck, which package would I want to get? I don't own any of the books at all. 222 bucks gets you the whole story.
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Feb 10, 2012 09:50
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Affi posted:222 bucks gets you the whole story. This is not the best bang for your buck at all, though. $69 will get you the 3 "Print-Only" books. These is the content that you can't get online These are mostly B&W and cover: 1) Origin of the PCs - prequel story 2) Start of Darkness - prequel story for the villains 3) Snips and Snails - covers various other strips not in the story, including the Dragon magazine ones. For the other books, they're pretty much all available on the website, as they collect the main story. My understanding is they have some introductions from the characters, and occasional other strips, but the vast majority of these books are available in webcomic form. Any order $10+ will get you the PDF files. Any book or art order gets you the notepad, stickers, and coloring book.
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Affi posted:222 bucks gets you the whole story. Thank you for the summation; this is what I have ordered.
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Casao posted:This is not the best bang for your buck at all, though. Reading 800+ pages at once on the web is still not as easy as picking up a book. Also the books do contain story bits that are not online.
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Feb 10, 2012 16:57
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HKR posted:Reading 800+ pages at once on the web is still not as easy as picking up a book. Also the books do contain story bits that are not online. Right, and I've certainly been pleased with owning all the books, but in a purely "bang for buck" sense, you get very little extra story per dollar spent on books 1-4. Books D, -1, and 0 are all new, though D is for the most part out of continuity with the online comic. Still, if you have $222, get all the books.
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HKR posted:Reading 800+ pages at once on the web is still not as easy as picking up a book. Also the books do contain story bits that are not online. Yeah, definitely (though an iPad helps). Just going for maximum value for your $. $220 is a lot to spend, especially when it will be 2+ months before you get them, anyway.
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important update for international customers! http://www.kickstarter.com/projects/599092525/the-order-of-the-stick-reprint-drive/posts/173428?ref=email&show_token=75d3608bf3573464 You need to add postage costs as Amazon and Kickstarter wont for some reason:( Also A comment on the thread I found pertinent before it got lost under "sperg" about dragons:( David LaRoss about 5 hours ago There is no extra charge for international shipping on a magnet-only order. Rich is sending those by first-class mail, and the difference in cost for domestic vs. international is under a dollar - low enough for him to just pay the extra, he's said. I updated my pledge with an extra dollar to cover that but as it says you don't need to.
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I just want to say that I want to do unspeakable things with whoever came up with this kickstarter thing. I want to tell Rich that I don't want the Magnet and he shouldn't bother with the cost of shipping. How should I do that? Eifert Posting fucked around with this message at 06:49 on Feb 12, 2012 |
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Toussaint Louverture posted:I just want to say that I want to do unspeakable things with whoever came up with this kickstarter thing. When the pledge drive ends, they'll send you an email survey asking if you added any extras to your pledge. I presume you'll be able to decline the magnet then, and still get the digital stories later.
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Can someone who's already pledged and thus has commenting rights ask what it'd take to get digital copies for sale? It's killing me that that's not an option.
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CapnAndy posted:Can someone who's already pledged and thus has commenting rights ask what it'd take to get digital copies for sale? It's killing me that that's not an option. He said on his forums that he won't sell digital copies of the books because the profit margins are so slim on paper books that cutting into their sales, even a little (assuming a couple of people go digital instead of buying the physical books), would mess things up. He wants to have physical copies around. I'm not saying I agree with his analysis, but it's his decision.
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Feb 12, 2012 11:39
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And honestly, if you want a purely digital copy just go ahead and "right click->save as" your way to glory. He's already giving it away digitally, you can donate more money to him if you want.
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The Werle posted:And honestly, if you want a purely digital copy just go ahead and "right click->save as" your way to glory. He's already giving it away digitally, you can donate more money to him if you want. I've done this for probably about 2/3rds of the strip (less, now that I think about it). I put them in a zip file and then can open with a comic book reader. It works pretty well, although some of the more oddly formatted strips, like Roy falling to his death, don't translate well.
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The Werle posted:And honestly, if you want a purely digital copy just go ahead and "right click->save as" your way to glory. He's already giving it away digitally, you can donate more money to him if you want. I assumed they were referring to the print-only books.
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Feb 13, 2012 05:23
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MikeJF posted:I assumed they were referring to the print-only books.
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I really don't get his logic about not doing it, if he charged the same for digital copies as print copies, sans postage. He'd be bringing in exactly as much money. And he could go longer before needing another print run.
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MikeJF posted:I really don't get his logic about not doing it, if he charged the same for digital copies as print copies, sans postage. He'd be bringing in exactly as much money. And he could go longer before needing another print run. Rich Burlew posted:Suffice to say, digital pdf downloads are not in the works at this time. My concerns are not piracy; the majority of people who are not willing to pay for content simply don't read the stuff that doesn't get posted here, and the rest, I can't stop. No, my concern is that printing is a very difficult business with very, VERY thin margins of profit compared to the amount of money invested. And those margins are mostly dictated by the economy of scale: printing 5000 copies of a book may only cost 30% less than printing 10,000, and printing 20,000 may only cost 60% more. But they all sell for the same price. So, my printing business only functions if I can sell ALL of the copies that I print, and I estimate the print run as exactly as possible. TLDR: Digital downloads might make printing books impossible due to higher cost per unit.
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Theler posted:TLDR: Digital downloads might make printing books impossible due to higher cost per unit. To expound slightly: printing costs aren't, as a rule, fixed per-book. The majority of the printer's cost - which gets passed along to the guy ordering the books, Rich in this case - end up being things like setting up the presses... and those costs remain pretty much the same whether you're printing 1000 books or 100000 books. So when you're figuring "how much does it cost me to get X number of books printed," the equation you want isn't "cost-per-copy * X", it's "setup-costs + (cost-per-copy * X)", which means that the smaller the print run, the more it costs you per book... and thus the smaller your profit margin per book becomes. And for a small-press boutique like GitP, cutting that margin can shift the printing costs from "thin profits" to "no profits" all the way to "net losses" right quick. (There's also the fact that when you have books you can't sell - because, say, a significant portion of your customer base opted for a pdf - you have a sunk cost; you had to pay money to print 'em and you can't get that money back. And if you have enough of them you may be paying for storage... and so on and so forth.)
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It's still a depressingly short-sighted and old fashioned look on things. If that significant a portion of your consumer base is going to jump to digital if given the chance, loving do it. Digital does not go out of print and has a production cost of 0; he's letting fear of lost profits blind him to the greater profits he could gain. And let's be real, pushing all your chips in and betting on physical books staying viable is a goddamn sucker bet at this point. It's sad that he's making it.
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The fact of the matter is, if he does a print run of the size that he would have done had he not planned to sell digital, then sells digital also at the same price, and some of the people who would have bought books buy digital, then at the end of the day he's had exactly the same intake of money and a greater stock meaning longer to go before he needs a reprint.
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MikeJF posted:The fact of the matter is, if he does a print run of the size that he would have done had he not planned to sell digital, then sells digital also at the same price, and some of the people who would have bought books buy digital, then at the end of the day he's had exactly the same intake of money and a greater stock meaning longer to go before he needs a reprint. Thing is, he doesn't want any stock. He wants to be able to sell all the books, which is why he's so careful about getting accurate numbers about how many he needs. If he ends up with any significant amount of left over stock, it means he's either only breaking even or maybe even working at a loss.
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