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wellwhoopdedooo posted:I envy the hell out of you, I still remember my first reading. You're past most of the confusing-as-gently caress poo poo and on to the pure awesomeness of books 3-6. What always gets me through the books I've read, and will probably get me through 10&11 is knowing that Jordan always goes out with a big rear end finale at the end. It's always been worth it so far.
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wellwhoopdedooo posted:I envy the hell out of you, I still remember my first reading. You're past most of the confusing-as-gently caress poo poo and on to the pure awesomeness of books 3-6. Man, 11 was awesome, I don't care what anyone says 
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Feb 18, 2012 07:11
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I've decided I'm gonna read the hell out of things until I hit about book 6, and then figure out where to stop so that I can read a chapter a day until the next one comes out. The end of Book 2 reminded me how awesome it would be to have a WoT HBO series. Fireballs, earthquakes, hundreds of Ghost Riders, and a swordfight above the clouds between giants. YES. Also though, is it spoilers to talk about that fight and the one at the end of book 1, in terms of who Rand was actually fighting? I mean was it just "random DO avatar", or was he fighting specific Forsaken? Did he kill them or just defeat them? As far as I "should be able to tell" there is one dead Forsaken and 2 "Baal'zamons" dead, although I know that EoTW killed Aginor and Balthamel.
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Feb 18, 2012 07:38
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He was fighting (spoilers?) Ishamael at the end of EotW and tGH. Rand, Mat and Perrin assume he is the Dark One because of the name Ba'alzamon, which is just an alias of Ishamael that he used during the Trolloc Wars a thousand years prior.
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Feb 18, 2012 08:32
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Prison Warden posted:Man, 11 was awesome, I don't care what anyone says This is true. 7 and 8 weren't terrible, 9 was boring until they go to Far Madding and, after that, cleanse saidin, 10 is awful, 11 is pretty much a return to form.
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Feb 18, 2012 10:28
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wellwhoopdedooo posted:I envy the hell out of you, I still remember my first reading. You're past most of the confusing-as-gently caress poo poo and on to the pure awesomeness of books 3-6. Good to know! Book 2 was almost losing me entirely until it got toward the end.
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Feb 19, 2012 04:20
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I've been doing a good job in keeping with 2 or 3 chapters a day until it hit the end of Book 2. Then I COULD NOT make myself put it down, the climax is amazing 
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Feb 19, 2012 05:41
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Is there an answer to whether or not Mat or Perrin are re-spun out heroes in the way that Rand is LTT reborn?
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Feb 19, 2012 13:53
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End of Book 2 spoilers, none of the heroes recognize Mat at the end, so no.
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Feb 19, 2012 15:09
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I think I want to do this. I read the first 7 or so books years ago and got stuck after that, but with Sanderson finishing up the series, I think I'll give them a go again. How far are you guys up to and is there still the weekly reading assignments?
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Feb 20, 2012 20:55
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This Post Sucks posted:I think I want to do this. Book 2 deadline is today. So the first 14 chapters or so of book 3 is what the deadline for next week should be.
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Feb 20, 2012 22:52
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berenzen posted:Book 2 deadline is today. So the first 14 chapters or so of book 3 is what the deadline for next week should be. Yes this. Go team go.  The Dragon Reborn, Prologue - Chapter 14
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Feb 21, 2012 03:38
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Cartoon Man posted:Oh Verin, you rascally Aes Sedai you. Reported! 
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Feb 21, 2012 04:27
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Just got the 10th book in the mail. Since I'm such a slow read, I should have slogged through it by the time you guys finish another couple books. I'm putting off Malazan Book of the Fallen just so I can be ready for the last book to come out next year. This had better be worth it!
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Feb 22, 2012 18:17
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Yarrbossa posted:Just got the 10th book in the mail. Since I'm such a slow read, I should have slogged through it by the time you guys finish another couple books. I'm sorry for your current situation, but remember: It gets better.
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Feb 23, 2012 09:06
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I think I missed something. In TDR prologue, why does Byar think Perrin is a darkfriend and betrayed them?
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Feb 24, 2012 07:24
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Fiendish Dr. Wu posted:I think I missed something. His eyes and the way he freaked out when the wolves died? Remember they think wolves are agents of the Dark One like rats, crows and the like. Plus he's kind of a hateful rear end in a top hat and twists his story because he really, really does not like that Perrin was able to escape. The Children of the Light are not exactly what you would call tolerant or open-minded. The only reason they haven't burnt... everyone at the torch is largely because they lack the manpower.
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Feb 24, 2012 07:29
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Perrin killed two Children of the Light when Hopper died. Thinking he is a Darkfriend is actually completely logical under those circumstances [no reason to spoiler that - I think].
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Feb 24, 2012 11:40
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It's second book, so no, no reason to spoiler it. Children of the light are a formalized group of all the same kind of people that in modern day think "If you have nothing to hide, why wouldn't you let the cop search your car?" They have that sort of attitude of "We're obviously the perfect agents of the light, so if you don't submit to anything we request or demand, it can't have anything to do with principles, you're probably just a darkfriend."
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Feb 24, 2012 11:47
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The Children of the Light and their leaders are the most incompetent group in WOT, even the members who are turned to the Shadow. The only group worse than them is Elaida's Divided White Tower, but we'll talk more about that when we get to book 4-5
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Feb 24, 2012 12:07
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Byar thinks Perrin is a darkfriend because wolves, warders, and Aes Sedia are all minions of the dark one, or darkfriends. At least to the Children of the Light. There is a line from one of the first two books where someone muses that anyone who would want to control the power that broke the world must be a darkfriend. So you have someone who killed two Children and associates with things he thinks are darkfriends. Then he was spotted at Falme, and the Seanchan were ready for the Children's attack, and they use monsters that could only be shadowspawn. For a group that is willing to call you a darkfriend if you don't let them do whatever they want to you, this is more than enough to be searched for (remember that there is a standing order that anyone found running with/talking to wolves needs to be brought to the Citadel of Light). I'd argue that both those groups are actually quite competent, especially considering a lot of factors. The Children of the Light have enough going for them that despite pretty much everyone trying to never let them have their way, they run a country and can send troops pretty much anywhere without reprisal. In reference to the agents turned to the Shadow, he has conflicting sets of orders not only from Pedron and the Shadow, but inside the Shadow itself. He actually does a pretty good job of keeping them all happy enough to not kill him. Spoilers for later books, in reference to Cartoon Man's spoiler. Elaida's Tower has a giant power struggle going on, with Elaida, the Hall, and the Black Ajah all contending for true control. Despite that, they still manage to abduct the King of Illian, Rand, and infiltrate the Rebels. Sure, they make some really bad blunders, mostly out of pride and Black Ajah manipulation.
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Feb 24, 2012 15:02
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So I'm a little ahead, book 4 right now. Does Galad become a whitecloak?  I thought he was smarter than that. Although I guess it was foreshadowed with his attitude of "he'd turn you in for doing the slightest thing wrong, just because he feels you didn't live up to his standards."
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Feb 24, 2012 18:32
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Quad posted:So I'm a little ahead, book 4 right now. Does Galad become a whitecloak? If you really want to know, I'm pretty sure he becomes one either in book 6 or 7. However the real drama with his story arc goes down in book 13, Towers of Midnight. I can spoil what happens at that point if you really want me too.
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Feb 24, 2012 18:40
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Cartoon Man posted:If you really want to know, He's actually already an officer at that point. He definitely joins the whitecloaks at around the same time the tower coup goes down--Gawyn I believe references the fact that he'd been spending time with the whitecloaks already while they were out of their mind with worry over the girls.
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Feb 24, 2012 19:00
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Quad posted:So I'm a little ahead, book 4 right now. Does Galad become a whitecloak? Also Galad's story arc and character development seemed quite a bit more interesting than Gawyn's since Gawyn is just a spoiled brat who whines a bunch while Galad actual seems to try to find his way and grow as a person. Basically all the current Andoran royal family sucks and the previous one owned.
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Feb 25, 2012 19:36
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Crossroad of Twilight Spoilers: I just finished the prologue, and forgot something vital I think. Dobraine was attacked and nearly killed, with a note in the intruders pocket supposably from him saying that the men were to be allowed to collect something from his apartment without issue. I distinctly remember Rand giving Dobraine something to hold onto, but can't remember exactly what it was. Was it the fat man angreal, or maybe a seal to the dark ones prison? I can't even remember if those were possibilities..it all happened so long ago. Can someone fill me in on what I'm forgetting?
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Feb 25, 2012 20:04
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Oh god Gawyn is terrible. There is nothing ever redeeming about him. Even when his story arc is complete (book 12, I think?) he's still an insuffarable twat. I kept praying that he would be the one to die in this series, but hahah no main charecters are ever going to die. Except Rand.  Perhaps.
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Yarrbossa posted:Crossroad of Twilight Spoilers: The most popular assumption is that Dobraine and Bashere had the Seals, though this is not supported by any actual evidence within the text. Out of 7, there are now 4 broken, 3 intact. Rand has the 3 intact Seals, though where he's put them is not known. The thing about the specific events here is that Dobraine and Deira were nearly killed in CoT's prologue, which could also indicate that Darkfriends were under orders to try to locate the Choedan Kal access keys prior to Rand's cleansing of saidin. Ultimately, I don't think we'll find out what these events really were. Davram Bashere and Dobraine Taborwin seem to be faithful/loyal followers of Rand, but Rand is simply not that trusting to place the Seals or the keys under the care of his followers. After all, prior to the cleansing of saidin he kept the Choedan Kal keys under wards himself.
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Feb 25, 2012 21:53
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Cartoon Man posted:Oh god Gawyn is terrible. There is nothing ever redeeming about him. Even when his story arc is complete (book 12, I think?) he's still an insuffarable twat. I kept praying that he would be the one to die in this series, but hahah no main charecters are ever going to die. Except Rand. Gawyn has 3 bloodknives, or whatever those speed rings are called. He is going to have the most ridiculous, sweet-rear end death in the entire series, and it's one of the few areas I'm ... almost ... glad Sanderson is writing it instead of Jordan. Although, I wonder what Jordan would do with it 
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Fires of heaven: I think Rand gave the one he got from Taim to Bashere. Chapter 1 if i remember correctly
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Feb 26, 2012 00:41
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Vaniljcola posted:Fires of heaven: I think Rand gave the one he got from Taim to Bashere. Chapter 1 if i remember correctly Just re-read for that section. Lord of Chaos, Ch.2, actually. That chapter actually does strongly imply that Bashere HAS been keeping one of the seals for Rand all this time. It is also very suggestive, since Taim is the other major name in the room, and he is most certainly a Darkfriend by the time CoT swings around, if not by this time already.
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I just read the section where the super girls return to the White Tower after the events in book 2. Holy gently caress did they go full blown retard mode when the Whitecloaks showed up. I WILL NOT BE CHAINED AGAIN!!! The first of many times Egwene will scream this over the course of the next 10 books.Also is Faolain ever confirmed to be Black Ajah? I can't remember if it was just a red herring or not. Probably better spoiler the answer if anybody knows.
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Cartoon Man posted:Also is Faolain ever confirmed to be Black Ajah? I can't remember if it was just a red herring or not. Probably better spoiler the answer if anybody knows. Apparently a red herring. She's a stickler for authority and propriety and didn't like how the supergirls were treated, first when they were special, and then when Egwene was raised as a puppet she didn't like that either. So she swore fealty to Egwene and was one of her chief helpers in taking the Amyrlin Seat for realsies. Although she's apparently missed the purge because she's camped outside the Black Tower, so she hasn't herself been tested on an Oath Rod yet. But I don't think she is BA.
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arioch posted:Apparently a red herring. She's a stickler for authority and propriety and didn't like how the supergirls were treated, first when they were special, and then when Egwene was raised as a puppet she didn't like that either. So she swore fealty to Egwene and was one of her chief helpers in taking the Amyrlin Seat for realsies. God its so hard to keep track of where all these sub characters are at, thanks. I can't wait to re-read all the last 3 books or so, I'm sure theres a million other minor details like this I've forgotten.
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Cartoon Man posted:I just read the section where the super girls return to the White Tower after the events in book 2. Holy gently caress did they go full blown retard mode when the Whitecloaks showed up. I WILL NOT BE CHAINED AGAIN!!! I thought this was a pretty badass moment. I can understand their impatience first with Mat's situation, and also see how they could've thought the Whitecloaks were ready to attack. Verin had to be a total stick in the mud.
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It was stupid for Elayne to blurt out, "I am the Daughter-heir of Andor and you will let me pass right now!" and for Egwene to reveal that they came from Falme where bunches of Whitecloaks died. I also don't think it was the smartest move to make the ground explode when Aes Sedai have spent the past 1000 years or so trying to convince the world that they wont attack anybody that isn't Shadowspawn. All they had to do was shutup and let Verrin talk their way through. This won't be the last time the Supergirls get into trouble like this.
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Feb 27, 2012 21:13
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Cartoon Man posted:It was stupid for Elayne to blurt out, "I am the Daughter-heir of Andor and you will let me pass right now!" and for Egwene to reveal that they came from Falme where bunches of Whitecloaks died. I also don't think it was the smartest move to make the ground explode when Aes Sedai have spent the past 1000 years or so trying to convince the world that they wont attack anybody that isn't Shadowspawn. It's really bad when Nynaeve is the most rational of them all and she really doesn't give a gently caress about whatever she does really.
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Feb 27, 2012 21:36
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Cartoon Man posted:It was stupid for Elayne to blurt out, "I am the Daughter-heir of Andor and you will let me pass right now!" and for Egwene to reveal that they came from Falme where bunches of Whitecloaks died. I also don't think it was the smartest move to make the ground explode when Aes Sedai have spent the past 1000 years or so trying to convince the world that they wont attack anybody that isn't Shadowspawn. Okay well fine maybe it would've been more rational to let Verin talk her way through, but explosions make for a much better read than more dialogue. I gave a small cheer and look forward to more explosions.
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Fiendish Dr. Wu posted:Okay well fine maybe it would've been more rational to let Verin talk her way through, but explosions make for a much better read than more dialogue. I gave a small cheer and look forward to more explosions. Dumais Well
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The Dragon Reborn - Chapters 15 - 35 Alright homies, this book is where I feel like things really pick up. Characters start being badass, 2/3 of the super girls get less annoying (spoiler: Elayne NEVER gets less annoying), and we get some nice plot movement. For me, books 3-6 are the high point of the series.
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