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RickoniX posted:They are attracted to Xykon because (sod spoilers) He ate a bunch of hellfood at an evil diner See now that's an actual SoD Spoiler.
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From the Kickstartsr comment thread: "Rich Burlew 1 minute ago I haven't forgotten about the last comic in the consecutive run, it's just taking a very long time and I couldn't finish it yesterday. Lots of complicated art. It will be up in few hours." Kind of excited to see what's up
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Feb 23, 2012 20:41
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Complicated art means a big reveal of some sort. Could be Girard, could be someone else.
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Feb 23, 2012 21:02
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http://www.giantitp.com/comics/oots0545.html Wouldn't it be interesting if Ochul was exactly right?
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Feb 23, 2012 21:51
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I'm still unclear on whether the kobold did what he did because V fudged with "the proper mental commands" or because the kobold interpreted "to the best of his ability" to mean deliberately setting them all off because at this point he craves the sweet release of death. It could go either way I guess.
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Feb 23, 2012 22:10
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My guess is that he's been optimized as a purely combat-focused character, and therefore didn't bother with maxing his ranks in Search since it wouldn't have been relevant for his build. Or he traded out Trapfinding for some alternate class feature, so he can't even search for traps even if he had ranks in Search.
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Feb 23, 2012 22:27
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Captain Oblivious posted:I'm still unclear on whether the kobold did what he did because V fudged with "the proper mental commands" or because the kobold interpreted "to the best of his ability" to mean deliberately setting them all off because at this point he craves the sweet release of death. I like to think the command was to do the thing most likely to remove the traps as a danger to the rest of the party. Since searching for and disarming traps has a chance of failure but simply setting them off doesn't, he simply went ahead and set them off.
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Feb 23, 2012 22:32
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Captain Oblivious posted:I'm still unclear on whether the kobold did what he did because V fudged with "the proper mental commands" or because the kobold interpreted "to the best of his ability" to mean deliberately setting them all off because at this point he craves the sweet release of death. The joke is that V just ordered him to walk up the pyramid. Which Roy literally spells out. e: nice username
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Feb 23, 2012 23:07
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Alchenar posted:The joke is that V just ordered him to walk up the pyramid. Which Roy literally spells out. Nah I could still see it going either way. Death by trap would be a tempting interpretation of "search for traps to the best of your ability" for someone who had just gone through the kobold's unique oral experiences. All Roy literally spells out is the effect, not the cause. It can be easy to get the two mixed up I know.
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Feb 23, 2012 23:15
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Captain Oblivious posted:Nah I could still see it going either way. Death by trap would be a tempting interpretation of "search for traps to the best of your ability" for someone who had just gone through the kobold's unique oral experiences. Occam's Razor has no hold upon you, you are a maverick among mavericks.
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Feb 24, 2012 03:58
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W.T. Fits posted:My guess is that he's been optimized as a purely combat-focused character, and therefore didn't bother with maxing his ranks in Search since it wouldn't have been relevant for his build. Or he traded out Trapfinding for some alternate class feature, so he can't even search for traps even if he had ranks in Search.
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Feb 24, 2012 07:11
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 New strip! Wherein things take a turn for the worse, but a lot of previous poo poo suddenly makes a lot more sense.
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Feb 24, 2012 07:33
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They're all redheads, so Family Draketooth, they're not rotted, and they all have either a series of cuts or runes on their bodies. Hrmm. 'course, I'm betting everything about the initial situations they encounter is an illusion.
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Feb 24, 2012 07:36
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So, does Durkon have 5,000 gp worth of Diamonds on him or Speak with Dead prepared today. That could tell us if those are actually corpses or some play.
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Feb 24, 2012 07:38
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MikeJF posted:they all have either a series of cuts or runes on their bodies. Hrmm.
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Feb 24, 2012 07:45
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Looks like everyone was poisoned or something? Died fast enough that none of them out their weapons out, anyway. I wonder if someone showed up first (Nale, Haley's father, etc) and set something in motion...
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Feb 24, 2012 07:50
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Zereth posted:Like the ones the original Draketooth did when he was alive? Oh yeah. Tattoo runes, I guess. So the only thing we can infer here is recent but long enough to turn grey.
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Feb 24, 2012 07:54
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Bobulus posted:Looks like everyone was poisoned or something?
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Feb 24, 2012 07:56
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MikeJF posted:'course, I'm betting everything about the initial situations they encounter is an illusion. My money's on this. If Draketooth is supposed to be a master illusionist, then nothing can be taken at face value. Bobulus posted:I wonder if someone showed up first (Nale, Haley's father, etc) I'm fully convinced that Ian has to be involved in this whole Draketooth business somewhere. There's just too many threads linking him to all this for it not to work out that way.
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Feb 24, 2012 07:57
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Well that's grim as gently caress!
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MildShow posted:My money's on this. If Draketooth is supposed to be a master illusionist, then nothing can be taken at face value. Well, yes, this is a given. But I suspect that, due to how shocking the scene is, we're going to find out next strip, via illusion-dispelling magic, that this isn't a magic illusion. And I can't think of a good reason for Draketooth, to, say, kill a bunch of random red-haired people just to set up a confusing first impression to any would-be adventurers. Especially since no one should know about his extensive family (we only know that due to exposition). Plus it explains stuff, like why no one responded to the message at the fake waypoint. Nale and others have a headstart on the Order, right? While they waited for V to get back from the other dimension? My money is still on some sort of internal strife among the highly-paranoid rogues, likely caused by some newly arrived outsider. (Nale, Ian, a disguised goblin, etc)
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Feb 24, 2012 08:10
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Well huh. That's rather disturbing for a stick figure comic.
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Bobulus posted:Plus it explains stuff, like why no one responded to the message at the fake waypoint.
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Feb 24, 2012 08:19
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It's not an illusion; it makes the stench and the lack of reaction to the Order's entrance make perfect sense in retrospect. Outside theory: Girard Draketooth was related to a dragon that was related to the dragon who attacked V.
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Feb 24, 2012 08:20
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Colon V posted:There was that scrying, that saw Mr. Scruffy. CapnAndy posted:Outside theory: Girard Draketooth was related to a dragon that was related to the dragon who attacked V.
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Feb 24, 2012 08:23
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Yeah pretty sure the Linear guild was the ones who did that eyeball scry thing.
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CapnAndy posted:It's not an illusion; it makes the stench and the lack of reaction to the Order's entrance make perfect sense in retrospect. Yeah, that's actually really entirely plausible. It would certainly bring V to account for her whole genocide thing.
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Feb 24, 2012 08:26
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Bobulus posted:Plus it explains stuff, like why no one responded to the message at the fake waypoint. Edit: wow I was slow to post this. It is unlikely to be the linear guild. Nale went back just because he remembered about the windy canyon. Why would he be randomly scrying on that point at the right time? I am guessing this is an illusion. I mean an epic level illusion would be something rather amazing. Edit2: I was wrong about this it was Zz'dtri. Nale mentions in the fight how the OOTS was in the middle of the dessert. Theler fucked around with this message at 09:06 on Feb 24, 2012 |
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MildShow posted:My money's on this. If Draketooth is supposed to be a master illusionist, then nothing can be taken at face value. It makes no sense to make an illusion of a smell that can be tracked to the hideout. And yeah, that earlier scryer was Zz'dtri if I remember the colour code right.
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Feb 24, 2012 08:32
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Theler posted:The odd thing is we do see someone scrying on them there. The only person who can scry and also knows about that point is Girard. I think he is still alive at least. If it is him he has had a lot of time to prepare for their coming. Serini is also a possibility for the scrying eyeball, considering how similar it is to the one the Sapphire Guard used. Of course, that may just be the general appearance of scrying, and not the notification spell the Order of the Scribble uses. Nenonen posted:It makes no sense to make an illusion of a smell that can be tracked to the hideout. But the smell Belkar is tracking is humans. In fact, Roy specifically asked if the smell was rotting corpses, and Belkar said it wasn't. E: Nevermind, Belkar refers to them as weird smelling humans. Still though, I really don't think what we're seeing is the whole picture. Something just doesn't feel right. MildShow fucked around with this message at 08:47 on Feb 24, 2012 |
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Nenonen posted:It makes no sense to make an illusion of a smell that can be tracked to the hideout. Unless its not a temple but the back of a Terrasque that they just climbed. edit; Anyway Belkar says explicitly that its not rotting corpses he's smelling and that its "Weird smelling humans". So my guess is trap or decoy and that Girard might be an epic level illusionist but he can't fool the dudes nose. Affi fucked around with this message at 08:47 on Feb 24, 2012 |
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I still thing this is where Ian ran off to. Who was Ian's sidekick? The one that went with him? I'm putting my figurative money on him. My suspicion is that he is/was in the new Thieves Guild leader's pay (to keep Ian imprisoned and out of the way) and when he discovered a whole new pile of Rogues that would potentially side with Ian, he panicked and poisoned them all or something. Betting against Familicide for the same reasons.
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If those were regular corpses, and had been dead long enough to have carrion beetles all over them, every OotS member would have been overwhelmed by the smell at least once they hit the same floor, instead of just Durkon and Belkar.
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While the familicide theory has a little bit of merit, I think they are in one giant illusion. It's hard to say where the illusion starts. Either somewhere in the windy canyon itself or when Belkar led them through the passageway. The OOTS is now interested in investigating this compound. IF the whole compound is just part of an elaborate illusion it could be a large distraction. The only odd unexplained thing is who killed Penelope. Nale and Tarquin blame each other. If she really did get killed then the only person with motivation to do it (as far as is guessable) is someone who wanted her to stop talking about the Draketooths. Rethinking this familicide works a lot better than I remembered. As long as any Draketooth was part of the black dragons bloodline they would all be dead. I thought it was direct relation but it specifically says "Every living creature that directly shares your bloodline is dead. Every living creature that is directly related to any of those creatures is dead." It all depends on how far out the spell goes. The timeline for Penelope's death and probably all the deaths here match up pretty well to when it was cast. If all the Draketooth clan was related to the dragon than Penelope's death can be explained by the second clause. Theler fucked around with this message at 13:49 on Feb 24, 2012 |
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CapnAndy posted:Outside theory: Girard Draketooth was related to a dragon that was related to the dragon who attacked V. This is what I'm going with now. At some point, the Order has to find out about V's little adventure.
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Feb 24, 2012 13:28
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I had always assumed (mostly because of the end of #667) that the party would find out once the fiends showed up to take their end of the bargain. They never said they would wait for V's death to take control of his soul, after all...
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I don't think it was the Familicide. That was at least a month ago, and the corpses are still uneaten by bugs, and so are the vegetables or whatever that food is. This seems to be much more recent than that. Maybe the bodies didn't smell like rotting corpses to Belkar because they're not rotting so much as mummifying?
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You would be surprised how long a corpse stays relatively whole after death. But I still think it's something else. I'm betting Either Redcloak and co or the Linear Guild showed up first.
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Stabbey_the_Clown posted:I don't think it was the Familicide. That was at least a month ago, and the corpses are still uneaten by bugs, and so are the vegetables or whatever that food is. This seems to be much more recent than that. The answer is that Xykon can cast teleport.
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I doubt it's the Linear Guild. They're relying on the Order to lead them to the gate, after all, so it wouldn't make sense for them to show up first.
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