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Sefal posted:What is the EU thing everyone keeps talking about? a google search yielded nothing. and i can only think of the european version. but i think that that was just the same as the american one. i'm really puzzled and wondering what kind of things EU did to ff7. It stands for "Extended Universe," and contains everything Square put out after FF7, including Advent Children and Dirge of Cerberus. It expands upon the story started (and finished, imho) by Cloud, et al. It also turns fine characters into prats and certain talking, mog-riding cats into Scotsmen. A lot of it is really terrible.
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Oh thank you, that makes much more sense
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Feb 27, 2012 23:04
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Edit: Wow, way late to the party.
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Feb 27, 2012 23:04
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Edit: was already covered
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Feb 27, 2012 23:05
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TravBot posted:Not in Famicon FF7 they haven't... It was a 1984 joke.
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Feb 27, 2012 23:11
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Rushputin posted:Midgar has always been at war with Wutai. TravBot posted:Not in Famicon FF7 they haven't... That's what the Wutai want you to think. They're secretly integrated into Midgar society, spreading lies and poisoning our youth's minds, causing the world to live in a constant state of terror. If you don't support the cause of Shinra, the Wutais have already won.  EDIT: what the guy above me said.
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Feb 27, 2012 23:12
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You'd think with how successful all their Final Fantasy 7 spinoff poo poo is, they'd finally remake the goddamn game but NOPE edit: I literally just want graphics remake. Ingame and cutscenes. Keep everything else the same, that's okay with me!
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Feb 27, 2012 23:22
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^ That's the hard part though. Modelling the world of FF7 on current-gen hardware in Squeenix-quality graphics would require a huge budget.
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Feb 27, 2012 23:25
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I don't want excuses, I want results! 
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Feb 27, 2012 23:26
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Macaluso posted:You'd think with how successful all their Final Fantasy 7 spinoff poo poo is, they'd finally remake the goddamn game but NOPE But they wouldn't. They funnel in all the EU poo poo that's way too full of spoilers to go into too much depth. They'd also probably get rid of stuff like the Honey Bee Inn, or Hojo trying to get Aeris to screw the pooch, or the Turks being cool. They'd be replaced to make way for things like Gackt, and Cloud's AC personality. And there'd be no "This guy are sick", it'd be "This guy are suffer from melodrama backstory". [e]: Sefal posted:Sadly this is probably very true. all of the original game's charm would be replaced by mopey cloud over acted lines and hallways! In the remake, you can get to the world map...after being in Midgar for 30 hours. 30 hours of Coud going, "I've failed! Oh I'm a horrible monster!", every five minutes in an unskippable cutscene, while simultaneously pining for Sephiroth and sighing. There will be no dress up for this Cloud. 
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Feb 27, 2012 23:31
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Pesky Splinter posted:But they wouldn't. They funnel in all the EU poo poo that's way too full of spoilers to go into too much depth. They'd also probably get rid of stuff like the Honey Bee Inn, or Hojo trying to get Aeris to screw the pooch, or the Turks being cool. Sadly this is probably very true. all of the original game's charm would be replaced by mopey cloud over acted lines and hallways!
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Feb 27, 2012 23:34
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Macaluso posted:I don't want excuses, I want results! They did make that trailer that used the opening scene but was remade.
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Feb 27, 2012 23:50
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I get the feeling Sony would use the same cutscene to show off their fourth console's graphical horsepower. e: Or the second trailer for Final Fantasy Versus 13 
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Feb 27, 2012 23:57
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From what I remember not many people were happy with the Gambits, but it's there as an option. I like the way things work in FF12, because if you want to, you can just load everyone up with guns, and it's nice having an option that silly.
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Feb 28, 2012 00:55
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Phoenix Taichou posted:From what I remember not many people were happy with the Gambits, but it's there as an option. I like the way things work in FF12, because if you want to, you can just load everyone up with guns, and it's nice having an option that silly. An option SO damned silly that it can and will cheese the Ultra-super boss, Yiazmat
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Feb 28, 2012 01:04
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I thought the gambits were great, giving you as much or as little automated control as you were comfortable with. The game is designed so that you can't just automate your way through the really challenging battles, but you can avoid the manual fight-fight-fight-fight-heal-fight-fight-fight-heal routine of random encounters. No battle transitions and everyone attacking on gambits made most battles over in a matter of seconds, and the fast battles and huge, mostly non-linear world made exploring fun. But yes, playing the English-patched International version is definitely the way to go. It just fixes so many little issues.
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Feb 28, 2012 01:27
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KataraniSword posted:A lot of it is backlash due to the appeal he got by fangirls just for being an androgynous, long-haired pretty boy, and all the fanfic/yaoi that paired him with Cloud as just a broken little boy looking for Add to it overexposure as the greatest villain ever. Same with Cloud, but as the best videogame character/hero. Overexposure is never a good thing in my book. That's why I hate Sephiroth, and other bishounen/pretty boy/androgynous characters.
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Feb 28, 2012 01:40
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TravBot posted:It also turns fine characters into prats and certain talking, mog-riding cats into Scotsmen. A lot of it is really terrible. For some reason, they really didn't get Red XIII involved in the EU, which is perhaps for the best. Maybe only...one line in the movie and a scene in Dirge, but other than that, Nanaki was chilling with all his dignity and suchlike.
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Feb 28, 2012 05:34
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Schwartzcough posted:I thought the gambits were great, giving you as much or as little automated control as you were comfortable with. The game is designed so that you can't just automate your way through the really challenging battles, but you can avoid the manual fight-fight-fight-fight-heal-fight-fight-fight-heal routine of random encounters. No battle transitions and everyone attacking on gambits made most battles over in a matter of seconds, and the fast battles and huge, mostly non-linear world made exploring fun. The only real problem I had with XII was that gambits either came too late when they would be needed the most and they appeared in big groups.
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Feb 28, 2012 06:38
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Scalding Coffee posted:Is there a list of what it fixes? Well, among other things, you can buy every Gambit immediately after escaping the castle with Balthier and Fran.
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Feb 28, 2012 06:46
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It has the best feature in any game, a built-in fast forward button. also you either can choose or are forced to assign your characters a single unchangeable job that gives them a set license board if you can't deal with all your characters being blank slates with slightly different stats. Personally FF12 felt like playing a single player MMO with the whole "hey get all the drops/grind so you can afford to buy weapons so fights don't take forever/magic so the fights aren't boring as hell. Instead of trying to make the battles interesting or require thought like they did in 10 they just let the game handle the boring stuff for you (which can feel MORE boring because you don't even get to pretend you're making decisions). Not to mention stuff like the story being a complete clusterfuck because the guy in charge wanted final fantasy tactics again while the squeenix management wanted something sellable towards Japanese teenagers. It's the only time I've ever heard of someone having a nervous breakdown over the design of a videogame. I wasn't really enjoying it, and when the game said for the third time "hey, just walk and fight in a straight line for the next several hours and then plot will happen again", I quit the game, people dump on 10 for doing that but at-least stuff happens and the fights feel engaging. That is my essay on a videogame, thanks for reading. darealkooky fucked around with this message at 07:02 on Feb 28, 2012 |
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Feb 28, 2012 06:55
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Scalding Coffee posted:Is there a list of what it fixes? IZJ FFXII is the only FFXII I think is actually decent. It makes you wonder why they didn't just go with that in the first place.
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Feb 28, 2012 06:59
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TravBot posted:It stands for "Extended Universe," and contains everything Square put out after FF7, including Advent Children and Dirge of Cerberus. It expands upon the story started (and finished, imho) by Cloud, et al. It also turns fine characters into prats and certain talking, mog-riding cats into Scotsmen. A lot of it is really terrible. To be fair, Cait Sith, or Cat Sidhe, is a Scottish fairy that takes the form of a black cat. Not that the EU isn't terrible...
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Feb 28, 2012 06:59
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BigbyWolffe posted:To be fair, Cait Sith, or Cat Sidhe, is a Scottish fairy that takes the form of a black cat. Not that the EU isn't terrible... Given that Dirge of Cerberus happens after FF7, they should have kept consistency - if he didn't talk with a Scottish accent in this game, he'd have LESS reason to in a sequel. Of course, DoC didn't care much for things like "internal consistency" or "good characterization", so... v  v
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Feb 28, 2012 07:31
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Scalding Coffee posted:Is there a list of what it fixes? Well as mentioned, the gambits are all available very early, so you can actually have a gambit-controlled spellcaster targeting weaknesses before the end of the game. The Fast-Forward feature is nice. The different "jobs" mean your characters will have different sets of spells/skills/equipment/stats, and it actually feels like there are times when you should use one character over another. The jobs also open up the option for weird challenge runs, like all white mages. Guests and summons are now fully controllable, and you can actually set the gambits for guests. The summons have more spells and abilities to choose from, and are fun (and helpful) to use every now and then. A lot more chests have 100% guaranteed items in them (you actually have to find a fair number of spells in chests), so it feels worthwhile to explore for chests instead of finding potions and gil everywhere. Chests now respawn after moving 1 zone away, so if you really want something from a random chest it's easier to get (and enemies still take 2 screens to respawn, so you don't have to deal with enemies while you're at it). I believe drop rates are a bit higher. A lot of equipment is re-balanced (both in stats and availability), so far less equipment feels superfluous. Generally, it all just feels better balanced and faster-paced. There are also some extra modes, like starting at level 90, or having all characters at level 1 and you don't gain any experience. There's also a 100-level endurance gauntlet that culminates in some crazy-difficult battles with bosses that never show up in the normal game.
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Feb 28, 2012 08:08
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Schwartzcough posted:There are also some extra modes, like starting at level 90, or having all characters at level 1 and you don't gain any experience. There's also a 100-level endurance gauntlet that culminates in some crazy-difficult battles with bosses that never show up in the normal game. Also the bow with no physical model that has tens of thousands of attack power and has something like a 1/1024 chance of dropping out of an invisible treasure urn that has a 1/1024 chance of spawning.
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Feb 28, 2012 08:39
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Schwartzcough posted:Well as mentioned, the gambits are all available very early, so you can actually have a gambit-controlled spellcaster targeting weaknesses before the end of the game. The Fast-Forward feature is nice. The different "jobs" mean your characters will have different sets of spells/skills/equipment/stats, and it actually feels like there are times when you should use one character over another. The jobs also open up the option for weird challenge runs, like all white mages. Now that's an OFS LP I'd like to see.
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Feb 28, 2012 08:43
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The White Dragon posted:Also the bow with no physical model that has tens of thousands of attack power and has something like a 1/1024 chance of dropping out of an invisible treasure urn that has a 1/1024 chance of spawning. Given that we're talking about FFXII here, I have no idea if you're being serious or not. 
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Feb 28, 2012 08:48
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KataraniSword posted:Given that we're talking about FFXII here, I have no idea if you're being serious or not. I know I get hyperbolic sometimes (the weapon's actual attack is in the mid 200s and it gives you +75 evade), but come on, when was the last time I bullshitted someone about extant items in nintendos?
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Feb 28, 2012 08:57
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The White Dragon posted:Also the bow with no physical model that has tens of thousands of attack power and has something like a 1/1024 chance of dropping out of an invisible treasure urn that has a 1/1024 chance of spawning. Yeah, there are a couple weird super-weapons with no models that are virtually impossible to get. But I didn't mention them because no one in their right mind will ever get one. (I might've gotten one. Or two...)
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Feb 28, 2012 09:17
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And if you're even remotely inclined to putting up with Matsuno's brand of storytelling and enjoy exploring incredibly detailed and interesting environments even a little bit then you'll love the gently caress out of any version of FFXII you pick up.
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Feb 28, 2012 11:56
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Phoenix Taichou posted:From what I remember not many people were happy with the Gambits, but it's there as an option. I like the way things work in FF12, because if you want to, you can just load everyone up with guns, and it's nice having an option that silly. This is a good plan due to how guns ignore fuckin' everything but their own attack and gelatin. Also it's amazing how TWD will find any reason to poo poo on FFXII. All these changes for the better? Yeah, somehow this one item negates all of them!
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Feb 28, 2012 14:31
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I really like everything about the International FFXII version except the jobs thing. It's kind of a hard sell for me, I hate irrevocable choices. Having said that, apparently the job license boards can be super stacked and so it's actually possible to end up with way more HP and stuff than you normally would in XII. That's kind of interesting. I just hate making bad choices...
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Feb 28, 2012 18:24
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Nakar posted:I really like everything about the International FFXII version except the jobs thing. It's kind of a hard sell for me, I hate irrevocable choices. Having said that, apparently the job license boards can be super stacked and so it's actually possible to end up with way more HP and stuff than you normally would in XII. That's kind of interesting. I just hate making bad choices... Personally I loved the idea of the Zodiac Job System, but I'm a huge fan of the franchise's Job systems in the first place. It's one of the big draws of 11 for me. Admittedly you can assign 12's party certain roles anyhow (I always made Basch a Dark Knight-alike with his Licenses first and foremost) but just having the confirmation that yes, your dude is a Time Mage brings a smile to my face somehow. Besides, ZJS gives you a combination Dragoon/Dark Knight as one of the available choices. That is awesome as hell. Shaezerus fucked around with this message at 18:41 on Feb 28, 2012 |
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Feb 28, 2012 18:33
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Nakar posted:I really like everything about the International FFXII version except the jobs thing. It's kind of a hard sell for me, I hate irrevocable choices. Having said that, apparently the job license boards can be super stacked and so it's actually possible to end up with way more HP and stuff than you normally would in XII. That's kind of interesting. I just hate making bad choices... As a whole, each character is less versatile in FFXII International, but they're stronger statistically. A Black Mage is a lot stronger then a character you went and said "OK, I'm only going to use Black Magick with this character." Edit: Removing the damage cap helped.
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Feb 28, 2012 18:40
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Nakar posted:I really like everything about the International FFXII version except the jobs thing. It's kind of a hard sell for me, I hate irrevocable choices. Having said that, apparently the job license boards can be super stacked and so it's actually possible to end up with way more HP and stuff than you normally would in XII. That's kind of interesting. I just hate making bad choices... Yep, fighters will have more HP and strength, and mages will have more magick attack than you could achieve in the basic version. OH, another thing I forgot to mention- MP and Mist charges are separate things in IZJS, so you can feel free to summon or use quickenings without leaving you with 0 MP and totally screwed. This goes a long way to making you feel more powerful and making up for some lost versatility.
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Feb 28, 2012 18:57
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Nakar posted:I really like everything about the International FFXII version except the jobs thing. It's kind of a hard sell for me, I hate irrevocable choices. Having said that, apparently the job license boards can be super stacked and so it's actually possible to end up with way more HP and stuff than you normally would in XII. That's kind of interesting. I just hate making bad choices... The job system fixed the biggest problem with XII -- making everyone the goddamn same. It should have been there in the original version.
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Feb 28, 2012 19:11
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Dr Pepper posted:As a whole, each character is less versatile in FFXII International, but they're stronger statistically. The superbosses can actually be killed in a reasonable amount of time now. I look back now and wonder how the gently caress some people actually lasted that long against them.
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Feb 28, 2012 19:11
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This zodiac job system version, was it japan only? does it have english language as an option or will I need to speak the language to play it? Because i never finished FFXII even though I consider it one of my favourite FF games, and all these new features sound hella intriguing
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Rooreelooo posted:This zodiac job system version, was it japan only? does it have english language as an option or will I need to speak the language to play it? Because i never finished FFXII even though I consider it one of my favourite FF games, and all these new features sound hella intriguing
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