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 1) It's outside influence so no goal. Interesting though because while that stadium layout shouldn't happen, what about if a ball bounces off a stadium's roof? 2) Yes. The attackers can't play the ball from there so I actually call that obstruction no? 3) He left as part of play, I'm not seeing any problem here. EDIT : Ah I see he was "offside" when the ball was kicked. Ding him for offside then.
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1) I guess this is similar to the balloon on the pitch at anfield so a drop ball? 2) Let them do it, I don't really see an issue. 3) Didn't Crespo do something similar to this against Arsenal years ago? Can you even be offside if you're not on the pitch? I'm going to say the goal stands because it's YATF and that is how it rolls.
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Feb 24, 2012 19:37
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Redundant posted:3) Didn't Crespo do something similar to this against Arsenal years ago? Can you even be offside if you're not on the pitch? I'm going to say the goal stands because it's YATF and that is how it rolls. You can play someone on if your off the pitch, so it stands to reason that you can be offside as far as I can see.
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Feb 24, 2012 20:36
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quote:Keith Hackett's verdict
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Feb 27, 2012 12:23
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Bam, 3/3.
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Feb 27, 2012 12:58
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It's Friday! 1) Give the offside, it occurred before the trip. 2) Honestly? Not a clue. Punch yourself in the face having had the captains call out which nostril blood comes out of first. 3) Can you even be carded in a penalty shootout? Anyway, make him take the penalty and write a scathing report on him. V V V Then the assistant should call over the referee (assuming he's about to give a penalty) to tell him that the attacking player was offside before the trip happened and that he just didn't have enough time to raise his flag. Although as far as being the ref goes yeah you'd give a pen initially. Overminty fucked around with this message at 16:30 on Mar 2, 2012 |
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Mar 2, 2012 16:20
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EFB 1/ Penalty, he wasn't adjudged to be offside when the foul happened because no-one had time to call it... 2/ Ask someone for a coin. There are at least 22 people there. Someone has to have some shrapnel in their kit bag. 3/ Send him off and allow the shoot out to continue. Enter incident into the match report and state your suspicions. Scienide fucked around with this message at 16:26 on Mar 2, 2012 |
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Mar 2, 2012 16:23
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1) Just because the assistant hadn't raised his flag yet doesn't mean he's not going to be ruled offside. No penalty. 2) Go for it. Who doesn't love a good game of rock, paper, scissors? 3) Send him off, write it up, and punch their team's strongest penalty taker in the face.
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Mar 2, 2012 16:37
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The usual thing to do in the no-coin situation is "which hand is the whistle in?", which works fine as long as you remember to take it off the cord first. Show me a referee who's never done it and I'll show you a lying bastard.
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Mar 2, 2012 16:42
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1. Offsides unless the foul was a violent play 2. If neither sides cares, do it 3. Send off. Pretty sure this is a repeat
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Mar 2, 2012 16:43
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1. I'm leaning towards penalty, assuming trip him up means violent. Yes, he was offside, but it seems like it would be if an attacker was in an offside position without the ball coming near him and the defender hacked him. They're not fair game just because they're offside. If it wasn't violent, then offside. I guess I'm aiming at calling the worse infraction. 2. Do it assuming both sides agree. It's not as fair or independent as a coin, but it's probably fair enough. 3. Send him off. Write it in the report. gently caress playing a guessing game as to intent.
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Mar 2, 2012 17:23
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1. Play the offside, but yellow to the defender as it wasn't a goalscoring opportunity. Once the offside has happened, technically the game isn't in play anymore so it's not a penalty offence. If the ball was 50 feet away and he'd fouled him in the box, it wouldn't be a penalty. 2. Yeah, fine, whatever. I reckon there will probably be a specific mention of a cointoss in the rules, but don't be a dick. No-one cares. 3. Difficult. I'm really not sure, but I say send him off, match report, move on to the next player. Do teams inform the referee who's going to be taking the kicks in any "official" capacity? If they've said "number 8 will take the 11th one", and then he does that, then I'd send him off and declare his penalty a miss. In fact, I think I'd declare it a miss even if they don't because he's the last taker, so as soon as the 10th taker went up, the spot was reserved for him by default. So yeah, changed my mind, going with declare it as a miss. Hoops fucked around with this message at 17:42 on Mar 2, 2012 |
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Mar 2, 2012 17:40
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1) Offside, and since "trip" doesn't sound particularly violent just leave it at that. If it was in some way violent give a card to warrant the severity of the violence, still offside though. 2) I'd allow it because that's just how I roll. Which hand is the whistle in is probably faster though. 3) Send him off, write it in the report.
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Mar 2, 2012 17:41
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Hoops posted:1. Play the offside, but yellow to the defender as it wasn't a goalscoring opportunity. Once the offside has happened, technically the game isn't in play anymore so it's not a penalty offence. If the ball was 50 feet away and he'd fouled him in the box, it wouldn't be a penalty. Really I thought free kicks happened where the offence took place, if a winger has it near the touchline and a defender starts lamping strikers before its crossed im pretty sure thats a penalty.
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Mar 2, 2012 17:52
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1. Offside, the play is effectively stopped when the ref decides, not when he whistles or the lino flags. No punishment for the defender unless it's dangerous. 2. I'll take Trin's word on this one. 3. Send him off, of course, but then make the other team nominate an outfield player to not take a penalty, same as if it's 10 v 11 at the start of a shootout.
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Mar 2, 2012 18:52
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Trin Tragula posted:The usual thing to do in the no-coin situation is "which hand is the whistle in?", which works fine as long as you remember to take it off the cord first. Show me a referee who's never done it and I'll show you a lying bastard. I like the "1 or 2 behind my back" method. And yeah, it happens to everyone. Mickolution posted:3. Send him off, of course, but then make the other team nominate an outfield player to not take a penalty, same as if it's 10 v 11 at the start of a shootout. After KFTPM has started, you don't reduce to equate. Why? Who knows.
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Mar 2, 2012 19:27
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1) Offside + yellow for the defender 2) Play guess the whistle, or if you're feeling particularly stickler-y, see if anyone on the sideline has a coin, then invite fans in the crowd to throw coins at you, you deserve it. 3) Red card the kick taker and punch him in the face.
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Mar 2, 2012 19:35
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I thought offsides aren't technically offside until the player receives the ball or is obviously going for it, which is why defenders can score own goals whilst intercepting a pass to a player who is offside, or why a ball can seemingly be played to an offside player and then another player can run onto it if the first player ignores the ball.
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Mar 2, 2012 23:31
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Ravel posted:I thought offsides aren't technically offside until the player receives the ball or is obviously going for it, which is why defenders can score own goals whilst intercepting a pass to a player who is offside, or why a ball can seemingly be played to an offside player and then another player can run onto it if the first player ignores the ball. I don't think this counts as that, because the player is obviously involved in play by being fouled. In the case of the defender own goal, Hackett's verdict was "You can't tell what the defender would have done if the striker hadn't been there" but here it would be impossible for the defender to foul a striker who's not there. But he is there, so it should be an offside.
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Mar 2, 2012 23:34
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Overminty posted:It's Friday! 1)Unless the defender fouled him hard I call offsides. 2)Why the hell not, or you could it xfl style and place the ball in the middle of the pitch with two players from each team make a run for it. 3)Card him and make the team pick a sub for him?
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Mar 3, 2012 23:23
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Scikar posted:I think it means the keeper can't punch a cross into the air and then catch it, as opposed to saving it with an open palm and not being able to keep hold of it. Interestingly, in the England Holland game, the ball was going for a corner, so Joe Hart ran to the side of his goal, jumped up and parried the ball forward into play and then as he slowed down to get back to the ball he caught it. He was in violation of this rule as far as I could tell but it wasn't given.
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Mar 3, 2012 23:32
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angry armadillo posted:Interestingly, in the England Holland game, the ball was going for a corner, so Joe Hart ran to the side of his goal, jumped up and parried the ball forward into play and then as he slowed down to get back to the ball he caught it. It depends how it's done really. If a keeper parries/punches it up then catches as a way to waste time it isn't allowed, while a save followed by catch/smother is fine. Keeping it from being a corner is a save of kinds.
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Mar 4, 2012 00:43
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Trin Tragula posted:The usual thing to do in the no-coin situation is "which hand is the whistle in?", which works fine as long as you remember to take it off the cord first. Show me a referee who's never done it and I'll show you a lying bastard. Hackett's answer includes an anecdote about a "well-known" ref who tossed a chocolate biscuit in lieu of a coin, and then snacked on it prior to a throw-in. Any guesses on the ref in question?
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Mar 5, 2012 07:03
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Keith Hackett posted:1) A great question. Being in an offside position is no longer an offence in itself: you need to judge this on whether or not the striker was involved in active play. If the outcome is inevitable in that the striker would have received the pass, penalise him for being offside. You may also have to show the defender a yellow or red card if the trip was reckless or using excessive force (serious foul play). But had another attacker, moving in from an onside position, received the pass, you can then play advantage – unless the foul was a red-card offence. David Grace wins the shirt.
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Mar 5, 2012 07:21
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Kwik posted:Hackett's answer includes an anecdote about a "well-known" ref who tossed a chocolate biscuit in lieu of a coin, and then snacked on it prior to a throw-in. Any guesses on the ref in question? Phil Dowd?
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Mar 5, 2012 07:22
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The guy who issued three yellow cards to the same guy in a world cup game?
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Mar 5, 2012 07:23
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Number 3 sounds like something that really should be fixed. I doubt it's ever even occured to most players to be honest, but if you're in a cup final you could have your 4 worst penalty takers get themselves sent off with basically no consequences. The other team could then do the same thing I suppose, but that's hardly a good thing for the sport.
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Mar 5, 2012 07:27
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Well, there are consequences. You get an automatic three game ban, more if you've already had bad discipline and, I imagine, more would get tacked on after the fact because your act was clearly deliberate. So there are consequences. That being said, I think most players would take subsequent bans in order to win a cup final shootout. If it was a choice between 'Win the CL, be banned for some games next season' and 'don't win the CL, be ready to play next season' I think I know what most players would pick. That being said, it is a pretty terrible loophole that probably should be closed. E: also if you're going to punch a player, who not go all-out and try to injure the opposition goalkeeper? If the other team has used all their subs, they'll need to put an outfield player in goal for the rest of the shootout, which may give you an advantage.
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vyelkin posted:Well, there are consequences. You get an automatic three game ban, more if you've already had bad discipline and, I imagine, more would get tacked on after the fact because your act was clearly deliberate. So there are consequences. That being said, I think most players would take subsequent bans in order to win a cup final shootout. If it was a choice between 'Win the CL, be banned for some games next season' and 'don't win the CL, be ready to play next season' I think I know what most players would pick. well, you'd get even longer for that i assume.
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vyelkin posted:
I get the feeling that if someone actually TRIED that in a cup final, the governing body in question would make their displeasure known by dropping the proverbial hammer on not just the player in question, but probably the manager and the club as well. And theoretically, that would qualify as a blatantly unsportsmanlike act, or however the Laws define it, and couldn't the referee abandon the match then and there anyway?
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Mar 5, 2012 07:45
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vyelkin posted:Well, there are consequences. You get an automatic three game ban, more if you've already had bad discipline and, I imagine, more would get tacked on after the fact because your act was clearly deliberate. So there are consequences. That being said, I think most players would take subsequent bans in order to win a cup final shootout. If it was a choice between 'Win the CL, be banned for some games next season' and 'don't win the CL, be ready to play next season' I think I know what most players would pick. Would maybe chriminal charges apply? There is a lot of leeway during the match (heat of the moment and all that) but now everyone is standing still in the midcircle
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Hoops posted:Number 3 sounds like something that really should be fixed. I doubt it's ever even occured to most players to be honest, but if you're in a cup final you could have your 4 worst penalty takers get themselves sent off with basically no consequences. The other team could then do the same thing I suppose, but that's hardly a good thing for the sport. i hope Real Madrid beats Barcelona in the Champions League finals this way
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Mar 5, 2012 13:28
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On the chocolate biscuit question, I just found out that Andy D'Urso is somehow still on the Football League referees' list despite how absolutely nobody likes him, so I'd like to think it was him. (It'll really have been someone from days gone by like Gordon Hill or Roger Milford, who fancied themselves to be a 'character'.)
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I'd have my money on Jeff Winter personally.
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1. If it's accidental (as in the guy tackling is trying to get either the ball or the player actually involved in play), gently caress him. What's he doing that close to the pitch anyway. Too bad. If it's purposeful, send the tackler off for reckless behaviour or whatever it's called. 2. Trust your assistant and play on but make a note of it in your report. You can only take action based on things you see yourself or things your assistants report to you. Neither is the case here. The FA can review it later. 3. Tell him to go get it removed for starters, it's equipment outside the LOAF. He can come back on when it's fixed. Yellow card for unsporting behaviour for good measure. Definitely put it in the report too, big fat fine for the club later.
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Mar 9, 2012 13:34
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It seems like the more of these they do, the more weird and theoretical the situations become, and as a result the answer is more and more often to "write it down in your report and let the FA fix it later".
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Mar 9, 2012 13:35
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the sex ghost posted:1) It's an accident so tough poo poo. 2) Replace him with the fourth official and note it in your match report. 3) Get the wire removed or the head gear replaced; yellow card; stick it in your match report.
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Mar 9, 2012 13:44
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The Mash posted:It seems like the more of these they do, the more weird and theoretical the situations become, and as a result the answer is more and more often to "write it down in your report and let the FA fix it later". Maybe they should do a spin-off series "You are the FA". But I suppose every answer would be: "Claim lunch on your expense account then do whatever the newspapers are clamouring for you to do".
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The Mash posted:It seems like the more of these they do, the more weird and theoretical the situations become, and as a result the answer is more and more often to "write it down in your report and let the FA fix it later". Aliens replace every member of both teams with Gary Neville clones. They are all swarming around you, incensed over something you may or may not have done. What do you do?
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