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xzzy posted:Coincidental penalties still put players in the box.. someone has to serve that time. But you don't lose a man on the ice for it. Doesn't matter if it's a minor or a major.. even if it's 5 on 5, someone is in the box serving the penalty. I would guess he's wondering about what makes for a 2 minute 4 on 4 vs just two people going in the box for minors and it still being 5 on 5. Because I'm not all clear on that either.
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They actually have a really extensive table laying out all the potential scenarios: http://www.nhl.com/ice/page.htm?id=26556 Though I'm fairly sure that just one set of coincidental minors during 5 v 5 play (2 min to each team) will always result in 4 v 4 and that chart just details situations with additional penalties on top of that.
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Mar 5, 2012 18:00
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Look Around You posted:I would guess he's wondering about what makes for a 2 minute 4 on 4 vs just two people going in the box for minors and it still being 5 on 5. Because I'm not all clear on that either. I think it's something the league has told the refs to do. 4 on 4 brings about more scoring chances so they create that situation given the opportunity to call matching minors. However, they don't like to go lower than that if the situation presents itself. Also to add when a player gets a 5+2, he and the guy in there serving the minor so the other team gets a powerplay are effective serving the penalty at the same time. The player serving the 5+2 won't get out until 7 minutes are up. So while there's a guy serving his minor, he still in essence has to serve it too.
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Mar 5, 2012 19:11
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Look Around You posted:I would guess he's wondering about what makes for a 2 minute 4 on 4 vs just two people going in the box for minors and it still being 5 on 5. Because I'm not all clear on that either. The official distinction between coincidentals and offsetting penalties is offsetting penalties have to be a part of one incident. A fight is one incident, so the two guys each get 5 minutes, but the penalties offset, and they can be replaced from the bench. If I cross-check you, the ref signals for it, and during the delay, a guy on your team roughs me up a bit in retaliation, those are two different incidents, and so would be two coincidental minors. (I think it's questionable in the scenario where I cross-check you and you do something right back to me. That could be considered one incident.)
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Mar 5, 2012 19:34
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http://www.nbclearn.com/portal/site/learn/science-of-nhl-hockey I just snipped this off twitter and it's fantasticly nerdy and informative.
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Mar 6, 2012 00:21
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What do the announcers mean when they say that someone "centers it"?
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CobwebMustardseed posted:What do the announcers mean when they say that someone "centers it"? Trying to get the puck directly in front of the net, where hopefully a teammate is waiting to snap the puck past the goalie. This area is also known as the "slot" which is a trapezoid shaped area in front of the goalie where a majority of goals are scored from. The slot extends to the top of the faceoff circles, and narrows as it gets closer to the crease.
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Mar 6, 2012 02:20
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edit: this is not the n/v thread
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When I said "NOT put a player in the box" I was being an idiot, I actually meant that a team doesn't lose a player - I knew a player still had to serve the time... ...And further to that, yes, I was wondering why sometimes it's 4 on 4 and sometimes it's full strength. Thanks for all your replies! thehustler fucked around with this message at 02:10 on Mar 7, 2012 |
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Mar 7, 2012 02:08
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Gio posted:Awhile back someone tweeted a list of players that had these characteristics and I can't find it for the life of me. Had the title "Statistical Nightmares". Realized I found this but forgot to post it (thank Yannick Weber for reminding me with how terrible he is). I think this guy writes for Backhand Shelf on The Score. http://camcharron.tumblr.com/post/15474852084/statistical-nightmares
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Mar 7, 2012 03:30
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I’m going to my first ever NHL game tonight (Pens vs. Leafs). Is there anything I should know before embarking?
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CobwebMustardseed posted:I’m going to my first ever NHL game tonight (Pens vs. Leafs). Is there anything I should know before embarking? Have you been to any level of hockey before? Minors, juniors, college, anything?
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CobwebMustardseed posted:I’m going to my first ever NHL game tonight (Pens vs. Leafs). Is there anything I should know before embarking? Watch 71 on the Pens every time he steps on the ice. The leafs defense is horrific. I think that should about cover it. Unless you don't know the rules, in which case icing/offsides should probably be explained.
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CobwebMustardseed posted:I’m going to my first ever NHL game tonight (Pens vs. Leafs). Is there anything I should know before embarking? It's easier to track the puck by watching the players' body language than it is to follow the actual puck, so look for how players are facing, positioning themselves, etc and you'll notice a lot more going on than you will if you just try to watch the puck. There's almost no announcements during the game, just goals and penalties basically (and the 1 minute in the period ones), so it's more or less on you to figure out what's happening. Where are your seats?
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ElwoodCuse posted:Have you been to any level of hockey before? Minors, juniors, college, anything? I've only ever been to a couple high school hockey games, and not for a number of years. I'm pretty wet behind the hockey ears. Zorkon posted:I think that should about cover it. Unless you don't know the rules, in which case icing/offsides should probably be explained. I do know the rules from watching games on TV, but I have a hunch that it's a little different in person. I'll be with people who should be able to clarify things for me, though. Look Around You posted:Where are your seats? I did the student rush online this morning and ended up with two in 116. How early should I get there? Is there stuff to see before the game starts? edit: Also, what does a person wear underneath a jersey? How cold will the arena be? CobwebMustardseed fucked around with this message at 18:56 on Mar 7, 2012 |
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Mar 7, 2012 18:29
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CobwebMustardseed posted:How early should I get there? Is there stuff to see before the game starts? there are warmups which start about a half hour before gametime. Both teams skate around their own zones and run a couple drills.
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CobwebMustardseed posted:I've only ever been to a couple high school hockey games, and not for a number of years. I'm pretty wet behind the hockey ears. I have always been fine just wearing a t-shirt under my jersey at Consol, only gets somewhat colder near ice level. Warm-ups are usually 30-45 min before the game starts I think. If you havent been to the arena yet I would just go down early to check it out.
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dms666 posted:I have always been fine just wearing a t-shirt under my jersey at Consol, only gets somewhat colder near ice level. Warm-ups are usually 30-45 min before the game starts I think. If you havent been to the arena yet I would just go down early to check it out. Yeah, actually, this is a good point. Get there early and walk around the concourse(s). Consol is supposed to be really nice.
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CobwebMustardseed posted:I do know the rules from watching games on TV, but I have a hunch that it's a little different in person. I'll be with people who should be able to clarify things for me, though. The biggest difference is that hockey is a hell of a lot faster in person. As others have said, you don't have to watch the puck the whole time. Try to mentally "zoom out" and see the majority of the players on the ice. It'll help you track the game more easily. Enjoy!
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Mar 7, 2012 19:06
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The best part of being at games is you get to choose what you watch.  You'll see fights before the TV commentator has even registered one has started.
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Mar 7, 2012 19:09
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Here's one that'll blow your mind: When a team's on the power play, watch how they keep a guy waaaaaay offside before they move the puck up. He'll tag up right before they gain the zone. #Hockey103
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Thanks for the advice guys. I'm so excited. Maybe I'll luck out and get to see someone mash Phil Kessel's big goony nose into the ice.
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CobwebMustardseed posted:Thanks for the advice guys. I'm so excited. Maybe I'll luck out and get to see someone mash Phil Kessel's big goony nose into the ice. Too bad you missed seeing Colby Armstrong getting his big goony nose smashed by a day
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Mar 7, 2012 19:35
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You can see the new Mario Lemieux statue they just unveiled today! e: it's on...Centre Avenue? they kept looking over at the Civic Arena at least. further e: "located in the plaza outside the Trib Total Media Gate, near the intersection of Centre Avenue and Washington Place"
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Mar 7, 2012 19:39
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CobwebMustardseed posted:Thanks for the advice guys. I'm so excited. Maybe I'll luck out and get to see someone mash Phil Kessel's big goony nose into the ice. You mean Phaneuf? Kessel is pretty clean and not goony at all.
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Look Around You posted:You mean Phaneuf? Kessel is pretty clean and not goony at all. Oh, I meant goony in the sense that he has a big honkin' doofus face, not goony in the hockey sense.
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Dangerllama posted:Here's one that'll blow your mind: When a team's on the power play, watch how they keep a guy waaaaaay offside before they move the puck up. He'll tag up right before they gain the zone. #Hockey103 You wanna run this one by me? Is this because if someone misses a pass in the neutral zone an offside is less costly than an icing in terms of faceoff position? Or is there something else I'm missing?
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DrGonzo90 posted:You wanna run this one by me? Is this because if someone misses a pass in the neutral zone an offside is less costly than an icing in terms of faceoff position? Or is there something else I'm missing? I don't really notice people actually hanging behind the blue line much, but I've seen teams (the pens at least) put a person standing right on the blue line. They'll play a lot more agressive on the breakout and put forwards a lot farther up the ice than they would in 5 on 5. An offside from a long stretch pass and an icing are usually the same in terms of faceoff position, the only difference is that an icing doesn't let you make a change. On the PP this doesn't matter nearly as much though.
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There’s been a lot of talk in the N/V thread about whether changing the playoff structure so that the division winners were not automatically given the top three seeds would be a good idea or not. Why is this something people might want? What is the rationale behind this?
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Just look at the point totals. One division is far better than the other two, and the #2 and #3 teams are going to have fewer points than #4-#6.
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So the thinking is that it's unfair to teams who are in a more competitive division? Because they might not get home ice advantage, despite technically deserving it for having gotten more points during the season?
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CobwebMustardseed posted:So the thinking is that it's unfair to teams who are in a more competitive division? Because they might not get home ice advantage, despite technically deserving it for having gotten more points during the season? Pretty much.
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The exact same thing happens almost as a matter of routine in baseball, and outside of a few particularly extreme examples (the 83-win 2006 Cardinals winning the World Series being probably the most notable one) nobody seems to really give a poo poo (outside of maybe Toronto Blue Jays fans). What exactly makes this A Big Problem when it comes to hockey? Does it have to do with the fact that there are more teams going to the hockey playoffs, and therefore playoff seeding is more important, than in baseball, where only the three division leaders plus one wildcard (the second wildcard is stupid and using a single-game playoff to decide the wildcard spot is stupid and I presently refuse to acknowledge it) from each league make the playoffs?
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Top four seeds play 4 games of the 7 game series at home, which is a Big Deal in hockey.
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Home field/ice advantage means quite a bit more in hockey than other sports because home team gets last line changes and on faceoffs, the visiting center has to place his stick on the ice first. Sort of like homefield in baseball, especially during the WS when home team dictates NL or AL DH rules It's not really a big deal most of the time, you just have outlier years when teams with very few points/wins win the division and other teams are ineligible for the playoffs, despite having better records. This year, as bad as the SE division is teams like Boston (and probably others) aren't exactly steamrolling the SE teams so it's a case of looking at the forest rather than the trees.
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Basically Atlantic division fans are real annoyed that the rules don't work in their favor this year and therefore want to change them forever. Happens every year (not always by Atlantic fans, mind.)
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I'd say home ice advantage matters the least of the "4 major sports", and I think home and away records in the regular season and playoffs indicate this.
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CobwebMustardseed posted:So the thinking is that it's unfair to teams who are in a more competitive division? Because they might not get home ice advantage, despite technically deserving it for having gotten more points during the season? It's not just home ice advantage, it's the matchups they get. The 4-5 matchup will probably in both conferences this year guarantee that a very good team exits in the first round, when the 4 and 5 seeds would actually be the 2 and 3 seeds without divisional seeding and therefore face the 7 and 6 teams instead of each other. As a matter of fact I hadn't even thought about the home ice advantage thing and am not sure why that's what everyone thought people were complaining about. Either way, it's a dumb system and just because it is longstanding and prevalent in other sports doesn't make it good.
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a false posted:It's not just home ice advantage, it's the matchups they get. The 4-5 matchup will probably in both conferences this year guarantee that a very good team exits in the first round, when the 4 and 5 seeds would actually be the 2 and 3 seeds without divisional seeding and therefore face the 7 and 6 teams instead of each other. Yeah I'm not as much upset with the home ice as the matchup. Right now the 6th seed has more points than the "3rd" seed (divisional winner) in both conferences. Basically, the issue I have is that the 6th place team as it is now actually gets a better matchup than the 4th and 5th seeds because they play a team with less points than them.
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Not barring the whole division champ anomaly, I wonder how much home ice really matters over the fact that generally the team with home ice is just better to begin with. That's usually how they get there.
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