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KataraniSword posted:Oddly, when dropping Boris didn't rebalance your stats (Like when I did my Boris run), the trivial skills were granted just fine. I wasn't talking about Suckerpunch.
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Toffile posted:I wasn't talking about Suckerpunch. Oh. So it's the non-com buffs that it's not... gotcha. 
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Mar 8, 2012 16:02
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Apparently if you open Ed's tomb in the pyramid and accidentally turn the wheel again, you have to go through the opening process all over again! Hooray for increased day/turn count!
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Mar 8, 2012 16:14
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It's been a long long time since I've played this game, I'm up for a bit of nostalgia. Applied in game as blamedunce.
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Mar 8, 2012 16:46
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Okay, running through a Surprising Fist run to try to snag the trophies... is there any way to tell how much you've autodonated to charity for the Good Will Punching trophy? I mean, I know the ultimate solution is to just grind out more items, but it'd be nice to know exactly how much more I needed, considering I just autosold pretty much everything in my storage and the trophy's still not coming up. EDIT: vvv  I seriously should've thought of that.
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Mar 8, 2012 17:50
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Make 1000 dense meat stacks ahead of time.
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Mar 8, 2012 17:51
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Soth posted:Well, FML, Boris doesn't count as No-fam so I'm not getting the tour guide trophy I was expecting for another week or two. At least I plowed through to level 30 really fast by frivolously wasting meat on clovering in the gallery. This is from a couple days ago, but to clarify for people that weren't aware: it isn't that Boris doesn't count as no-fam, but that no-fam doesn't count as a 100% run anymore, including retroactively. If you already got a trophy for N many 100% runs it won't roll that back (unless you didn't buy the trophy yet), but if you only have 5 100% runs and one of them was no-familiar, the astral pet sweater is re-locked until you do a new 5th one.
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I went inactive sometime around the release of NS13, Nostalgia has brought me back. Applied as Elbrus.
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Mar 8, 2012 21:02
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Does anyone have any tips on defeating the NS at level 13 as Avatar of Boris? I’m trying to follow pksage’s log, where he lost twice on purpose, then killed her. My problem is, I barely do any damage to her with a normal attack, and she hits me for 70-80 damage, which I just can’t recover using a war healing item, especially when she blocks item usage so much. I got to her second form, and blew all three of my scented massage oils and a poltergeist in a jar, then lost. I’m level 13, mastered Shouting, 2 points in fighting, 5 points in feasting.
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Mar 9, 2012 19:43
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You could try Heroic Belching her.
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Mar 9, 2012 19:45
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SnotGrumble posted:Does anyone have any tips on defeating the NS at level 13 as Avatar of Boris? I’m trying to follow pksage’s log, where he lost twice on purpose, then killed her. My problem is, I barely do any damage to her with a normal attack, and she hits me for 70-80 damage, which I just can’t recover using a war healing item, especially when she blocks item usage so much. I got to her second form, and blew all three of my scented massage oils and a poltergeist in a jar, then lost. Are you debuffing her with bellow?
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Mar 9, 2012 19:52
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Kaboobi posted:Are you debuffing her with bellow? Protip, the NS can rebuff herself.
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Mar 9, 2012 19:53
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Toffile posted:You could try Heroic Belching her. Your only options at this point are to stat grind or get better equipment, probably a bit of both. Do you have the black greaves? They're the best pants you can get and shouldn't be too hard to farm up, and if it does take you forever you might be able to get the blackberry combat boots. Then hit the gallery and grind some more muscle. The Naughty Sorceress fight has always been a bit lame because your options are so restricted.
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Mar 9, 2012 19:53
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Yeah this sounds like it's not a fun fight without having the +50% muscle buff.
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Mar 9, 2012 19:54
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I stack +damage for the NS and it seems to work for me. Put on your war outfit and stick on any +damage accessories, then just go in full force CLEAVE chaining, with a delevel shout if you have it, it can knock 10-15 damage off her attack. Also you should have a poo poo load of gauze garters or filthy poultices from turning in your war gear for coins, so use those as necessary.
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Mar 9, 2012 20:00
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gently caress. 8 turns left in day 6. I was hoping to ascend today. I guess I’ll just go for the greaves and spend time grinding muscle.
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Mar 9, 2012 20:00
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I ended up using a bunch of lovely items like beer bombs for the first stage, then deleveled and chained stunned with gas balloons (while hitting with regular attacks, which hit easily when she's at -50/-50) for the second. Then the third stage can't un-de-level, so that wasn't a problem and I could just use normal attacks. But yeah, it's a lovely fight and Jick should feel bad.
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Mar 9, 2012 20:01
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SnotGrumble posted:Does anyone have any tips on defeating the NS at level 13 as Avatar of Boris? I’m trying to follow pksage’s log, where he lost twice on purpose, then killed her. My problem is, I barely do any damage to her with a normal attack, and she hits me for 70-80 damage, which I just can’t recover using a war healing item, especially when she blocks item usage so much. I got to her second form, and blew all three of my scented massage oils and a poltergeist in a jar, then lost. I got her on my third try on level 13 using mighty axing exclusively. Did healing with scented massage oils as needed. Here's my equipment as near as I can tell from my log: Baron von Ratsworth's tophat Trusty astral shorts Iron Beta of Industry rusty chain necklace pirate fledges
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Mar 9, 2012 20:02
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As everyone's saying, the real trick to beating the NS is having Barrel Chested. The runs where you don't have enough skill points to get both Barrel Chested and Banishing Shout have really hard NS fights. The name of the game is being lucky and stocking up on overamplified boom boxen from the war. Any healing item other than massage oils is, as you say, a waste of a turn, and your basic attacks won't do poo poo. I used my final day's shower on double-ice shards, which are like super-powerful boom boxen, and then just threw items and got lucky. The downside here is, of course, that you can't farm more boom boxen if you run out.  If you run out of good combat items, you'll have to suck it up and follow H2Omelon's advice re: Black Forest and Gallery. In general, use the lute for the war, only get as many gauze garters as you'll need for the Shadow, and then make the rest of your quarters into boom boxen. As Uranium Phoenix says, gas balloons are a huge help too.Avatar of Sneaky Pete is a joke, though, since he doesn't block or heal Bellow. If you ended up with Cleave for some reason like I did, you can just Bellow into a bunch of Cleaves and he's dead. Cleave can be used on the NS, too, if you're desperate and/or out of items. edit: stubblyhead posted:I got her on my third try on level 13 using mighty axing exclusively. Did healing with scented massage oils as needed. Not to contradict stubblyhead, but do not use Mighty Axing. If you're going to attack, just use your normal attack, because she can block Mighty Axing but not normal attacks. edit 2: For completely full disclosure, here's my Mafia log for the NS fight in that run. "Adjusted item count" is a blocked item. As you can see, I had a very helpful item block rate, and some critical gas balloons. code:pksage fucked around with this message at 20:10 on Mar 9, 2012 |
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Mar 9, 2012 20:03
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pksage posted:As everyone's saying, the real trick to beating the NS is having Barrel Chested. The runs where you don't have enough skill points to get both Barrel Chested and Banishing Shout have really hard NS fights.
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Mar 9, 2012 20:08
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ZarquonHigardi posted:Also, the trick of purposefully losing 4 times to minimize the chance she has to block items/skills still works, doesn't it? Or was that changed when Myst affected her block chance? As far as I know, it still does. Anecdotally, it sure seemed like she blocked less after a few losses.
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pksage posted:Not to contradict stubblyhead, but do not use Mighty Axing. If you're going to attack, just use your normal attack, because she can block Mighty Axing but not normal attacks. I fully admit that I got really lucky, and I will of course defer to your much greater skill. I'm not really sure why I used the skill rather than a regular attack, I guess I just was in the habit of using it during my run for the stat boost. Here's my own log: code:stubblyhead fucked around with this message at 20:16 on Mar 9, 2012 |
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Mar 9, 2012 20:13
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H2Omelon posted:Not at 5 points in feasting. I know, but it was better than saying "You're hosed". (Also incidentally why I've been chaining SC runs before doing HC Boris again. I want to start with Shouting/Feasting done)
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Mar 9, 2012 20:17
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Well, I got black greaves after 7 turns in the black forest. I never even considered double-ice or super-amplified boom boxes. I wish I had not gotten the shower muscle buff so often and just stocked up on double-ice shards. I guess I’ll know for next time.
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Mar 9, 2012 20:27
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SnotGrumble posted:Well, I got black greaves after 7 turns in the black forest. I never even considered double-ice or super-amplified boom boxes. I wish I had not gotten the shower muscle buff so often and just stocked up on double-ice shards. I guess I’ll know for next time. Shower strategy is pretty easy: Do double-ice for days 1 and 2 in order to make a double-ice cap. Do Muscle every day after that unless you're clearly going to make it to 13 without it, in which case grab more double-ice.
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Mar 9, 2012 20:30
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Kee-ripes. At 18 million meat and rising, I'm really wishing there'd be another month of VIP Invitations in the store; it looks like official supply is running out and there are a lot of players (myself included) who are seriously wishing for that double-ice and possibly the chess cookies.
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Mar 9, 2012 22:37
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KataraniSword posted:Kee-ripes. At 18 million meat and rising, I'm really wishing there'd be another month of VIP Invitations in the store; it looks like official supply is running out and there are a lot of players (myself included) who are seriously wishing for that double-ice and possibly the chess cookies. Yeah, since I've been back and researching things I kinda need to pick up, the VIP Lounge looks like one of them. It'll come eventually, I'm sure. But in the meantime I see Double-Ice Caps and grumble with mild jealousy. PS: I realized that I hadn't actually posted my info since I started talking in here, so- Under_Note (#675747).
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Mar 9, 2012 22:40
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We're more than likely due for another VIP room item in April or May.
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KataraniSword posted:Kee-ripes. At 18 million meat and rising, I'm really wishing there'd be another month of VIP Invitations in the store; it looks like official supply is running out and there are a lot of players (myself included) who are seriously wishing for that double-ice and possibly the chess cookies.
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fitsfadda posted:Chess cookies are useless in ascension due to level requirements, and drink mes are extremely cheap in the mall. Double ice is indeed great, though Drink-mes are pretty good in-run, though.
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fitsfadda posted:Chess cookies are useless in ascension due to level requirements, and drink mes are extremely cheap in the mall. Double ice is indeed great, though I often use a queen cookie for the island boss, but yeah the level requirements are annoying.
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fitsfadda posted:Chess cookies are useless in ascension due to level requirements, and drink mes are extremely cheap in the mall. Double ice is indeed great, though ...Plus, the GREEN BOXES obsession of mine means that I'd need hot showers, too, for the inspirations. That shower was just way too many good things in one.
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Mar 10, 2012 13:14
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He would sure like this number, though.
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So in Boris, would it make sense to banishing shout the tomb servant and tomb asp in the upper chamber, pump +item and use ratchets instead of the wheel to get to Ed?
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Loving Life Partner posted:So in Boris, would it make sense to banishing shout the tomb servant and tomb asp in the upper chamber, pump +item and use ratchets instead of the wheel to get to Ed? On the other hand, the hole in the sky takes less time so there's less monsters to flyer, so flyering tomb rats can help with that. I could see it maybe being a good idea if you've got banishing shout but not pep talk.
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Loving Life Partner posted:So in Boris, would it make sense to banishing shout the tomb servant and tomb asp in the upper chamber, pump +item and use ratchets instead of the wheel to get to Ed? http://ben.bloomroad.com/kol/ratchets_vs_wheels.png This only shows Olfacted rates and not banished rates, so you can drop the "U.C. Ratchets" curve a bit (i.e. make it more favorable), but you have either -20% or -25% NC for the Middle Chamber. As a generous approximation, you'd need around 180% items to make ratchets worth it, which is not doable in Boris. If you get any tangles of rat tails, though, you should absolutely use them, preferably during your Filthworm +item blast. edit: Also, brag time, I just did a 4-day HC Boris. Yay!
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pksage posted:during your Filthworm +item blast. Thanks for reminding me of what may have been the most painful segment of my Boris run.  I hadn't thought to pull any +item equipment out of storage, and so was working with something like 44% +item, which in that segment is pretty stinkin' terrible.
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KataraniSword posted:Thanks for reminding me of what may have been the most painful segment of my Boris run. Why didn't you use the lute? Or else why was your Clancy such a low level? I've done 2 HC Boris runs so far and that part wasn't bad either time.
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Mar 10, 2012 17:54
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KataraniSword posted:Thanks for reminding me of what may have been the most painful segment of my Boris run. Peppermint crooks really are the best answer to filthworms in a Boris run... definitely make 2 crooks if you have a peppermint patch. If you don't, you can always buy some from the mall and pull them, of course.
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I've been using cyclops eyedrops for the filthworms and they work fine, especially with a level 12 Boris with lute. Is there another semi-rare I'd want to use aside from those? I guess tasty tarts or lunchbox in general, I'onno. I use all my peppermints for peppermint twist alcohol, which is probably the best booze you can make in Boris.
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