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Nilbop posted:He's just an endlessly transplantable character that's really, really hard to get wrong. Yet he was awesome on Justice League, JL, and Superman TAS.
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Mar 29, 2012 21:12
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OK, certainly the one you're excited for was set up in season 1, but didn't we get burned like this before, with fanart passed off as 'stills'? And  to FutureBoy. You're thinking of Juan Bobillo. That run on She-Hulk (before they relaunched it again) is probably the best the character's ever been done, visually and narratively.
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Mar 29, 2012 21:13
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bobkatt013 posted:Yet he was awesome on Justice League, JL, and Superman TAS. All overseen by the same dude.
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Mar 29, 2012 21:17
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Baron Bifford posted:Spider-Man seems to have had a lot of TV shows. Just how many cartoon shows have featured him? He must be the most bankable superhero ever. Assuming this isn't rhetorical... Spider-Man - 1967 animated series - 52 episodes Spider-Man and His Amazing Friends - 1981 animated series - 24 episodes Spider-Man - 1994 animated series - 65 episodes Spider-Man Unlimited - 1999 animated series - 13 episodes Spider-Man: The New Animated Series - 2003 animated series - 13 episodes The Spectacular Spider-Man - 2008 animated series - 26 episodes and now 1.12 Ultimate Spider-Man - 2012 animated series So far there've been 193 episodes in total, and still counting. Not to mention the live-action shows he's had.
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Mar 29, 2012 21:18
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Nilbop posted:All overseen by the same dude. I know I was just pointing out that he has been done right.
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Mar 29, 2012 21:20
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Lobok posted:
Fixed that. Unless you're counting the Japanese tokusatsu thing?
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Mar 29, 2012 21:33
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Gaz-L posted:Fixed that. Unless you're counting the Japanese tokusatsu thing? I counted his NA live action show, the giant robot-racecar-wristwatch Japanese show, and the shorts he had on EC.
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Mar 29, 2012 21:38
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Nilbop posted:He's just an endlessly transplantable character that's really, really hard to get wrong. The Punisher is probably the easiest concept in comics and yet no media outside of comics can ever get him right.
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Mar 29, 2012 21:49
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E the Shaggy posted:The Punisher is probably the easiest concept in comics and yet no media outside of comics can ever get him right. That's because it's a concept that's been endlessly trod before someone dreamed up The Punisher. Well poo poo he's out for revenge.
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Mar 29, 2012 21:52
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Wait a minute. How are Ant-Man and Yellowjacket both there? Unless they're bringing O'Grady in, which just seems odd, since he doesn't really seem the kids' show type. Also, super-pumped for War Machine. 
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Mar 29, 2012 22:08
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Maybe they'll all Skrulls
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Mar 29, 2012 22:12
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Pretty much the only dude I'm constantly looking for who hasn't shown up is Sentry, but I'm getting the message by now that they've decided not to do him.
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Mar 29, 2012 22:14
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Nifty behind the scenes look at Ultimate Spider-Man. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-PzGGjC_Rko&feature=player_embedded!
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Mar 29, 2012 23:43
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Boris the Blade posted:Nifty behind the scenes look at Ultimate Spider-Man. That show looks like it's going to be a lot of fun. And they have a pretty great voice cast it seems. Can't wait.
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Mar 30, 2012 03:46
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Lobok posted:Assuming this isn't rhetorical... You forgot Spider-Man from 1981 that was 26 episodes.
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Mar 30, 2012 04:20
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Deadpool posted:That show looks like it's going to be a lot of fun. And they have a pretty great voice cast it seems. Can't wait. The fact that it has two Batman:TAS alums (Paul Dini and Eric Radomski) is more than enough for me.
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Mar 30, 2012 04:55
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Spectacular Spider-Man was perfect. There's simply no other way to say it. It was the best the character had ever been outside of the comics. Ultimate Spider-Man has some huge shoes to fill.
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Mar 30, 2012 07:14
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SpiderHyphenMan posted:Spectacular Spider-Man was perfect. There's simply no other way to say it. It was the best the character had ever been outside of the comics. Ultimate Spider-Man has some huge shoes to fill. I agree. But it doesn't really have to fill those shoes. It's very obvious that it's a completely different animal. It looks to be more of a fun team show than just another Spider-Man show.
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Mar 30, 2012 07:56
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FrostedButts posted:You forgot Spider-Man from 1981 that was 26 episodes. I didn't know they ran concurrently, that's cool. Like if Batman:TAS had been on the same time as Justice League (unless it was). And seconding how perfect Spectacular was. That show is a large part of why the Raimi movies barely do anything for me now.
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Mar 30, 2012 15:17
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Deadpool posted:I agree. But it doesn't really have to fill those shoes. It's very obvious that it's a completely different animal. It looks to be more of a fun team show than just another Spider-Man show. Also this show is basically Spectacular's replacement, so yes, it does have to fill those shoes.
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Mar 31, 2012 04:07
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SpiderHyphenMan posted:The last Spider-Man team show was "Spider-Man and his Amazing Friends," and that show sucked. Spider-Man doesn't need a team. You wanna know why it took so long for Spider-Man to join The Avengers in the comics? Because Spider-Man works best when he has to deal with this superhero poo poo on his own. Spider-Man has always been Marvel's favorite character to team up with other characters, partly because he can have chemistry with anyone, and partly because he's their most popular character. Marvel published a series that was exclusively Spider-Man team-ups. He is the perfect character to put with other characters.
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Mar 31, 2012 07:32
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Codependent Poster posted:Spider-Man has always been Marvel's favorite character to team up with other characters, partly because he can have chemistry with anyone, and partly because he's their most popular character. Exactly. Spider-Man works as a loner or the ultimate team up guy. Putting him with a team of younger heroes is a good way to go. And to SpiderHyphenMan, maybe to you it has to fill the shoes of SSM, but it's clearly not even trying to do that. It's trying to be it's own thing. And it should be judged as it's own thing. It's like saying Batman The Brave and The Bold had to fill the shoes of Justice League or Batman The Animated Series. It didn't. It was good for doing it's own thing and not trying to fill the shoes of previous shows that did well and were thought of kindly.
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Mar 31, 2012 07:45
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Codependent Poster posted:Marvel published a series that was exclusively Spider-Man team-ups. He is the perfect character to put with other characters.
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Mar 31, 2012 08:05
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Codependent Poster posted:Spider-Man has always been Marvel's favorite character to team up with other characters, partly because he can have chemistry with anyone, and partly because he's their most popular character. Spiderman is the perfect character to interact with on a limited basis, like his friendship with the Fantastic Four and his team up book. But he only works so well like that if the team up is not permanent. Ultimately it is best to keep Spidey on a street level that doesn't work all that well when the avengers are tagging along.
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Mar 31, 2012 08:05
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Cliff Racer posted:Spiderman is the perfect character to interact with on a limited basis, like his friendship with the Fantastic Four and his team up book. But he only works so well like that if the team up is not permanent. Ultimately it is best to keep Spidey on a street level that doesn't work all that well when the avengers are tagging along. Why, though? These aren't truisms. Spider-Man has a long track record of teaming up. New Avengers is seven years old. And "street level" is a nebulous term that only tries to describe the historical scope of Spider-Man stories and not any potential.
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Lobok posted:Why, though? These aren't truisms. Street-level pretty much means "If Daredevil can beat them up."
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Mar 31, 2012 17:41
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Lobok posted:Why, though? These aren't truisms.
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Mar 31, 2012 20:34
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SpiderHyphenMan posted:But this team isn't the New Avengers. It's a bunch of C-Listers. It's Teen Titans with Spider-Man in the place of Robin. And that just don't work. The pre-Miles run of the actual USM book would seem to disagree, seeing as he was teaming up with Iceman and the Human Torch in this exact set-up and it worked great.
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Mar 31, 2012 20:37
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I think part of the reason some Spider-Man fans are resistant to Spidey being on a "Team" is because the Spider-Man books have always had a colorful array of its own heroes, antiheroes, tech wizards, and so on, basically other super heroes that almost only appear in Spider-Man books. Black Cat, Punisher, Morbius, Lizard/Conners, the Prowler, Puma, Cloak and Dagger, Eddie Brock/Venom, and that's really just the poo poo I can think up off the top of my head. Many of these characters went on to become larger players in the MU, but they started in Spider-Man. Hell, Punisher was practically a supporting cast member of Spider-Man when Spectacular Spider-Man first launched as a series. Now I think USM can still be a good show. But most Spider-Man shows in the recent past seem to go for a balance between the super hero and the humor along with the emotional and personal sider of Peter Parker. It seems like the personal side of Peter Parker will be downplayed, and that isn't necessarily a bad thing. And if it actually is bad, we can always hope for an X-Men: Evolution moment where after 1-2 seasons of suck, the show becomes totally different and starts rocking out.
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Mar 31, 2012 20:49
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I actually grabbed the free preview issue Marvel put out (the stills from the show look awful with how they've done it) but I'm surprised how much it really does feel like Ultimate, actually. Aunt May is a cool, modern middle-aged lady who does yoga and other new-agey stuff, MJ's Peter's best friend from childhood and wants to be a journalist, Osborn is the main villain and wants to weaponise the formula that created Spidey and the director of SHIELD offers to train a reckless Spider-Man to be as good as Cap or Iron Man, it's just Fury, not Danvers.
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Mar 31, 2012 20:53
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So, after the end of this week's Young Justice they did a short thing about what was going to be next week's DC Nation shorts and it looks like one of them is going to be Animal Man based.
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muscles like this? posted:So, after the end of this week's Young Justice they did a short thing about what was going to be next week's DC Nation shorts and it looks like one of them is going to be Animal Man based. Man it ain't gonna be what you want it to be. You know it, I know it. Let's just all ... ahhhh drat 
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SpiderHyphenMan posted:But this team isn't the New Avengers. It's a bunch of C-Listers. It's Teen Titans with Spider-Man in the place of Robin. And that just don't work. Again, why? Why doesn't it work? notthegoatseguy brilliantly points out that Spider-Man stories have never had an aversion to team players, especially characters who were c-listers when starting out in his own books. Spider-Man had his Team-Ups with every corner of the Marvel Universe, and he also met people in his own books or was the go-to guy for sauntering over to someone else's book when they needed a sales boost. There was even that website a couple years ago that determined after Cap, Spider-Man was the most connected hero in the entire Marvel Universe. Spider-Man wisecracks, and if you read the early 60s Marvel Universe you quickly realize how common it was for Stan Lee to infuse the other heroes of the day with a similar joking streak. Daredevil, Iron Man, Ben Grimm, Johnny Storm, etc. But at some point Spider-Man's humour crystallized into a joke on the superhero genre itself. Making fun more about the various tropes or situations that occurred. He's like the Jamie Kennedy character in Scream, saying "Wait, no, why are we splitting up if this is a slasher movie? That never works." and on a team book that's a really fun and interesting dynamic to throw in. Not to mention how there's this weird relationship he has with most superheroes where he's both aloof and deferential to them, and they in turn begrudgingly put up with him because on one hand he's an annoying gently caress but on the other hand he's one of the most competent and dedicated heroic people on the planet. He'll bust your balls but he'll die a thousand deaths before giving up. And with his smarts, creativity, and powers that are still unique to this day, there's always some angle that he's going to add to a group. All in all I'm a big fan so maybe I'm a booster of his and too far gone, but I just get the sense when people react against his being on a team that it's a self-fulfilling prophecy of "he's worked well solo, so he should only be solo".
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That's how I see it as well but then I'm hoping he teams up with Cardiac in one episode so I might be pretty loving far gone myself.
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Apr 1, 2012 12:46
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notthegoatseguy posted:I think part of the reason some Spider-Man fans are resistant to Spidey being on a "Team" is because the Spider-Man books have always had a colorful array of its own heroes, antiheroes, tech wizards, and so on, basically other super heroes that almost only appear in Spider-Man books. For me, it's always because Spidey is not as militant as other heroes. Joining a team is a sign that you're REALLY committed to vigilantism, whereas Spidey sees his superheroing as a hobby.
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Apr 1, 2012 17:22
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Baron Bifford posted:For me, it's always because Spidey is not as militant as other heroes. Joining a team is a sign that you're REALLY committed to vigilantism, whereas Spidey sees his superheroing as a hobby. Spider-Man absolutely does not see his superheroing as a hobby. How the hell could anyone familiar with the character think that? It's an obligation. It's something he has to do.
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Deadpool posted:Spider-Man absolutely does not see his superheroing as a hobby. How the hell could anyone familiar with the character think that? It's an obligation. It's something he has to do. Yeah that is kind of his whole thing, he takes it more seriously (and a lot more personal) than most heroes. I don't like the team-ups either, but that is still a poor reason to be against it.
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Apr 1, 2012 18:17
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"Hobby" was maybe a poor choice of words but I see what Baron means, in that Peter is Spider-Man on the side, whereas many other heroes are full-timers. Which is interesting because that makes him sound less dedicated when he's actually one of the more pro-active heroes out there. The whole idea of going out on patrol is alien to a lot of major superheroes.
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Apr 1, 2012 18:29
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Accidentally stumbled upon the premiere of Ultimate Spider-Man this morning, both episodes were really good! They actually address the team-up thing (and some of the concerns people are talking about) as Spider-Man says that he will agree to join but he still wants to fly solo as well. So, looks like it won't be all 100% team-up. I really liked it and I appreciated that they went into a different direction than retreading the same ground as Spectacular. Also caught the season 2 premiere of Avengers, it was excellent of course. Hulk and Ben have the best dynamic.
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It's pretty obvious that the writers for EMH must really love doom, as he completely wrecked the avengers and the fantastic four by himself and then calmly sat down and told them to get out of his country. Not that I minded as I'm a huge doom fanboy myself. Great Thing/Hulk dyanmic in this episode as well. Really glad the second season is finally starting. Monaghan fucked around with this message at 19:05 on Apr 1, 2012 |
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