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SymfonyMan posted:There. I've convinced you. In other news, I threw my $15 in after the announcement. I've liked almost every Interplay/Black Isle game so far so I don't know why I wouldn't like W2. The better advice would be to play an isometric RPG and see if you like it. I'd wager a lot of Fallout New Vegas fans might not enjoy the "old school" design. This kickstarter shouldn't be about forcing people or lying to them, it's about getting people interested in it. I don't want a bunch of angry gamers crying once it is done ruining all future kickstarters. I'm sure tons of people will complain either way about how they could have done it better, but that is just gaming. Check out the GOG thread on ways to get older isometic RPG titles from the people involved in Wasteland 2.
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There are loads of good turn based isometric RPGs out there, but the problem, I'd say, is getting past the fact that they're old. I would really just hate to see someone put off because they're dealing with an ancient interface and like 800x600 resolution. There are fan patches of course, but then you're going through using fan patches. If you do brave the waters and really get into it though, and you really haven't played any turn based isometric RPGs, you have a world of amazing games out there to catch up on when you feel like it.
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AxeManiac posted:The better advice would be to play an isometric RPG and see if you like it. I'd wager a lot of Fallout New Vegas fans might not enjoy the "old school" design. Also, if the reason why you enjoyed New Vegas and Alpha Protocol was the writing and the 'choice gameplay' (not the action parts) those are the things that the classic isometric games got famous for. So even if you don't particularly like the isometric combat, you might like it enough to enjoy the other stuff in the games.
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trw posted:Also, if the reason why you enjoyed New Vegas and Alpha Protocol was the writing and the 'choice gameplay' (not the action parts) those are the things that the classic isometric games got famous for. So even if you don't particularly like the isometric combat, you might like it enough to enjoy the other stuff in the games. Well I certainly didn't love AP for its combat system  Are there any free iso-RPG's you guys would recommend to try out this system?
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I wish kickstarter took paypal, I was about to pledge $30 too, Goddamn it.
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Teim posted:I wish kickstarter took paypal, I was about to pledge $30 too, Goddamn it. There is an option to donate via PayPal - http://wasteland.inxile-entertainment.com/pledge.php
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Teim posted:I wish kickstarter took paypal, I was about to pledge $30 too, Goddamn it. They've got a separate donation thing up on the Wasteland 2 website that takes Paypal. e: f,b
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Internet Explorer posted:There is an option to donate via PayPal - http://wasteland.inxile-entertainment.com/pledge.php Fuckin' awesome. They'll have Obsidian yet!
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Urdnot Fire posted:Well I certainly didn't love AP for its combat system Not free, but good old games (gog.com) has a bunch of the classics for $5 or $10 that are designed to run well on new computers. Baldur's Gate II is considered the gold standard for combat/story. Icewind Dale 1 and 2 are lighter on story, but with good combat. Fallouts 1 and 2 obviously go well if you like the wasteland theme. Arcanum is usually thrown into the good list as well. All of the above but Arcanum were from Black Isle in its glory days; Arcanum was from Troika, the makers of Vampire: Bloodlines. Edit: And Planescape: Torment, how could I forget? Not as exciting combat wise, but considered one of the best, if not the best, stories ever in a game.
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Urdnot Fire posted:Well I certainly didn't love AP for its combat system If you're willing to look past bad combat for a great story, Arcanum is 3 dollars right now at gog.com. It's steampunk from before steampunk was a fad, and you can really be whatever kind of dude you want, morally speaking. Fallout 1 and Fallout 2 are all of 6 bucks each, so they're more expensive, but they have better combat. They are going to be much more representative of the kind of game you're going to get with Wasteland 2, supposedly. If you want to try out the best combat that turn based isometric can give you, in my opinion that is going to be Jagged Alliance 2 (also 6 dollars I think, that or 10) with the 1.13 fan patch. That one is about mercenaries liberating a latin american country. I'd just warn you that JA2 requires much more of your attention with the combat, as it is a squad tactics game. It also has a lot less of the funky moral stuff, as there is really a clear goal. There's also the Baldur's Gate games and Planescape, but they are actually real time with pausing, though the combat resolves like a turn based game.
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Personally, my game of choice for introducing someone to the sub-genre would be Arcanum. Yeah the combat isn't great, but with that balancing mod that makes tech an almost-equally viable choice as magic as well as pre knowledge of the bullshit Black Mountain Mines I'd suggest it over BG2 or Fallout. Just the theme, the world, the character development, all that good stuff.
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SMP posted:I started Planescape: Torment today to familiarize myself with the genre. I think I made a good choice You made the best choice.
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This should have been stickied earlier. I've put some money in and I'm getting some friends on board as well. This should manage to maintain the momentum easily to hit the $2.1m mark.
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Devian666 posted:This should have been stickied earlier. If I'm not mistaken, it was. It got re-stickied for the Obsidian development.
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Dissapointed Owl posted:If I'm not mistaken, it was. It got re-stickied for the Obsidian development. That's cool then. I'm using the news as leverage to convince people to pledge money.
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Yes, Disappointed Owl, we were stickied from the first day of the Kickstarter to like the fifth day, and oh, what a treat to make it back again! I cannot wait until they announce that at $2.5 million they will launch an actual warhead to bring about Armageddon!The Alchemist posted:Actually you gave some pretty good and valid points, with no fanboyism or opinion-based arguments, and your post really makes me feel alot better about Obsidian now. gravelbeast posted:It's like they've set up a perfect hamster cage and now the hamsters are escaping. I suspect some publishers are already thinking up ways to sabotage or corrupt this trend. You are probably right, but fortunately it will likely not impact this current generation of Kickstarters. It just might limit the ability of people to do this kind of thing in the future.  SenseLess posted:Obsidian in on Wasteland 2? This is the worst news ever - for my wallet. Oh, well. Here, take another $70. It's not that i needed that to buy important things, like food. Who needs food anyway. Now excuse me, i have to go starve somewhere.....  Wait, we are supposed to discourage that Zaii!!! ZAIIIIIIII Fredrik1! Nate RFB! Nurge! DOMINOES! Lord Lambeth! Master Slur! SymfonyMan! Anime Schoolgirl! SMP! Teim! DEVIAN666! Leverage those friends!!!chumpchous posted:Why is the fact that most of the design team has not worked on a game before or since a good thing? That's really my only remaining skepticism regarding this project (I'm on board for many other reasons). There are plenty of reasons to get original devs onboard from a marketing standpoint -- especially with crowdsourcing. Bring St. Andre on as a consultant for a minor fee, win fan credibility. That doesn't guarantee a quality product, however. Urdnot Fire posted:I've never played an isometric RPG before, but I loved Alpha Protocol and Fallout: New Vegas and am looking forward to the South Park RPG. Convince me that my $15 will be well-spent.
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SMP posted:I started Planescape: Torment today to familiarize myself with the genre. I think I made a good choice I really have to finish this... and Arcanum, and Fallout 2, gently caress. Actually stick Wasteland 1 on this list too.
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Quarex posted:You are probably right, but fortunately it will likely not impact this current generation of Kickstarters. It just might limit the ability of people to do this kind of thing in the future. I don't think Kickstarter is the cumulation of crowd funding and digital distribution, it's more like the Model T. I suspect there are a lot more interesting surprises in the future. Also, I rather doubt any publishers feel the least bit threatened or concerned by the (comparatively) tiny little budgets of a few Kickstarter projects going to a handful of independent developers.
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SMP posted:I started Planescape: Torment today to familiarize myself with the genre. I think I made a good choice Focus on intelligence and wisdom. Those 2 stats open up at least 30% of the best written dialogue imaginable. It's the difference between a few simple character conversations, and detailed, mind-blowing back stories.
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Fintilgin posted:I don't think Kickstarter is the cumulation of crowd funding and digital distribution, it's more like the Model T. I suspect there are a lot more interesting surprises in the future. For every Wasteland 2 success story I think there will be 20 failures.
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Kurtofan posted:You made the best choice. Dude he made a horrible choice! It can only go downhill from here guy.
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Tufty posted:Personally, my game of choice for introducing someone to the sub-genre would be Arcanum. Yeah the combat isn't great, but with that balancing mod that makes tech an almost-equally viable choice as magic as well as pre knowledge of the bullshit Black Mountain Mines I'd suggest it over BG2 or Fallout. Just the theme, the world, the character development, all that good stuff. Which mod was that, exactly? All I could find was Otto Krupp's Firearm mod, which looks somewhat smaller than you make it sound.
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drkhrs2020 posted:Focus on intelligence and wisdom. Those 2 stats open up at least 30% of the best written dialogue imaginable. It's the difference between a few simple character conversations, and detailed, mind-blowing back stories. I consulted BeforeIPlay and bumped INT/CHA/WIS up to 16 (then leveled WIS to 17). I just made it out of the mortuary, there's a surprising amount of poo poo to do there; considering it's the 'tutorial' level.
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Quarex posted:AxeManiac's point is probably the most reasonable one; you should probably play an oldschool game to see if you can get into them, and it really is hard to know what the best one for you to play is. Lots of the unquestionably best isometric games are either based on things that are theselves fairly arcane (Dungeons & Dragons rules, for example) or are old enough that you might not be able to get past the graphics. You can probably track down a copy of Fallout 1 pretty easily, and you might be able to get into that since you would get at least vague similarities to New Vegas out of it. trw is right too, if you enjoyed any of the story, character or theme/settings from Fallout, adding Obsidian is just going to get more of those choices into the game. They are excellent at writing story and character moments that impact the world and leave impressions on you. Like the well used line goes, "Planescape is one of the best books I've ever played". The gameplay of Wasteland 1 is a bit dated, even Fallout 1 and 2 have a ton of issues gameplay and UI wise, but those games still have great characters and writing and lasted in the minds of gamers for so long because they really know how to craft the ideas of game, the gameplay, yeah, that gets messed up. But most of the time it is messed up because of issues outside of the dev teams hands, a look at the design docs usually show you they had some great ideas. I'm not really too excited about Wasteland 2 itself, just the focus of all these creative people making a game like this, at this point in gaming history. It's going to interesting to play and if I just can't hack the gameplay, I'm sure the world and stories and characters will be worth it. And if it doesn't happen, I have proof the old ways are gone and will go order some more Fallout DLC or something.
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Quarex posted:In addition to "Crowdsourced Tactical Whatever," ($53,000 to go with 24 hours left!) Oh hey, this thing actually has a chance to just barely eke out, huh? It was 100k down a couple days ago.
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Dr. Video Games 0031 posted:Oh hey, this thing actually has a chance to just barely eke out, huh? It was 100k down a couple days ago. You know what Kickstarter I do want to see, though? A first-person-shooter remake of Bad Dudes.
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Quarex posted:You know what Kickstarter I do want to see, though? A first-person-shooter remake of Bad Dudes. Only if there is a price point where they also make it a feature film.
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Quarex posted:You know what Kickstarter I do want to see, though? A first-person-shooter remake of Bad Dudes. Multiple choice ending. Do you take out the pickle or not?
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MadJackMcJack posted:Multiple choice ending. Do you take out the pickle or not? Followed by the 2nd Kickstarter for "Optional additional endings"
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Urdnot Fire posted:Well I certainly didn't love AP for its combat system http://www.heroicfantasygames.com/ Knights of the Chalice Its by far one of the best TB combat implementations out there. The interface makes it great, it got hyperlinks everywhere for stats and actions which takes you to the help section and back in a blink.
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Tufty posted:Personally, my game of choice for introducing someone to the sub-genre would be Arcanum. Yeah the combat isn't great, but with that balancing mod that makes tech an almost-equally viable choice as magic as well as pre knowledge of the bullshit Black Mountain Mines I'd suggest it over BG2 or Fallout. Just the theme, the world, the character development, all that good stuff. On the other hand, I'd suggest Fallout (or 2) over Arcanum without question. Even with patches Arcanum was never properly balanced, the character system is unintuitive and gimping yourself with a bad build is very easy. Combat is an abomination. It's simultaneously both laughably breakable and very punishing if you're trying guns for the first time. Fallout's combat isn't particularly tactical but it's straightforward, and 90% of the fights don't have you swarmed by the enemy within a turn of combat (you can avoid this in Arcanum but half of the time you'll be exploiting how the TB system/AI works to achieve this). Other than that, I also feel the quests are generally structurally more interesting in FO. Arcanum has quite a few linear fetch quests, and in general they feel more tedious than in the Fallouts. The dungeons are also a major drag in Arcanum and more linear as well than the few you get in Fallout. I also think the uniqueness of setting was underutilized in Arcanum. Too often did it feel like a rather generic fantasy setting, but that might just be me. To me, Arcanum felt like it needed more polishing throughout in almost all aspects of the game. I would not say the same about the Fallouts (barring the fan fixed bugs). I've enjoyed and played through both Arcanum and the FOs multiple times, btw.
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This thread really is weird. I can't wrap my head around so many people chucking hundreds of dollars towards "developers" that made a game 25 years ago and are now cracking their knuckles and saying that now is the time. To the person asking about isometric games, in my experience Icewind Dale 2 is the best I've found. I only wish this kickstarter was ID3.
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Rapacity posted:To the person asking about isometric games, in my experience Icewind Dale 2 is the best I've found. I only wish this kickstarter was ID3. The only problem I have with recommending infinity engine games to newbies is the D&D, which can be quite a barrier to entry for the uninitiated.
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Rapacity posted:This thread really is weird. I can't wrap my head around so many people chucking hundreds of dollars towards "developers" that made a game 25 years ago and are now cracking their knuckles and saying that now is the time.
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Rapacity posted:This thread really is weird. I can't wrap my head around so many people chucking hundreds of dollars towards "developers" that made a game 25 years ago and are now cracking their knuckles and saying that now is the time. Maybe because that's not even close to what is actually happening?
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During a lunchtime conversation today I learned of yet another goon who is currently in for $1,000; between this thread and private discussions, there are almost certainly 5 Goons among the future NPC/Location/Weapons in Wasteland 2. That is a pretty respectable percentage, I think. I would push for people in the $500 tier to go crazy and double their donation, but of course I realize there are not actually any $1,000 tiers left, and even I would not try to encourage someone to spend $2,500 to get their favorite childhood toy in the game. But ... then again ... if I were a true fan, I suppose I would get my childhood cuddly naptime stuffed gorilla "Professor Suckthumb" immortalized in the game. He, you see, was a gorilla with a graduate's cap on, who could put his thumb in his mouth. What more apocalyptically-themed item can there be? There can be none more appropriate.
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