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Orange Fluffy Sheep posted:Tifa's lowest possible level is 7, which is the lowest in the game. Cloud comes close with 8 but 8 > 7. 
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Mar 31, 2012 13:11
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Indeterminacy posted:But... but what about Aeris? Aeris is forced out of the party after the Train Graveyard. If I can't have her in the party KOed she's getting 1/2 EXP. Just from the forced fights with Reno and in the Shinra HQ before she rejoins she's going to hit level 7.
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Mar 31, 2012 13:19
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Orange Fluffy Sheep posted:Aeris is forced out of the party after the Train Graveyard. If I can't have her in the party KOed she's getting 1/2 EXP. Just from the forced fights with Reno and in the Shinra HQ before she rejoins she's going to hit level 7. What, from level 2? How much Exp do those fights give?
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George posted:FFXII is the rare RPG where I think having alternate costumes would have been a godsend. At least let me rock Hobo Basch for the whole game! I played about 30 minutes or so, it's all I know. I can confirm it's annoying and terrible, yes. NothingToFyr posted:I hold the deepest sympathy for you to hear you'll be doing FFXII. That game was so boring it inflicted pain that seemed almost physical. It had a couple good characters, but I could not get into it. My main beef is that the 2 main characters have NOTHING to do with anything, and I recall hearing they were forced into the game by corporate meddling. You guys are not helping. It's gonna hurt isn't it  Twiddy posted:I have something to admit. The question is - what were these papers about? Brainamp posted:What happened? Never having played FF7 I'm confused. Aeris level is the Party Average - 3. Since Tifa is the Average -2, if you skip random battles you can make things get really crazy like OFS did. Orange Fluffy Sheep posted:
I can play Duke Nukem 3D and Diablo 1 without being hit once. Diablo 3 Beta too. WHO'S SANE NOW. Seriously though, those Boss Battles demand videos. I want to see your suffering in video form. Elentor fucked around with this message at 20:22 on Mar 31, 2012 |
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Mar 31, 2012 20:14
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Elentor posted:You guys are not helping. It's gonna hurt isn't it Vaan's whininess is offset by the other characters telling him to shut up in major cutscenes. It's enormously satisfying.
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Mar 31, 2012 20:21
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If you fall asleep while doing the FFXII LP, it's okay, we don't blame you.
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Mar 31, 2012 20:26
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Left Ventricle posted:GarlandG to the rescue! Some fuckery in the JP version can get you a level 1 Yuffie. For that it's worth this video kinda spoils one of the final bosses (granted, in image form, so you probably won't know what it is, but still). Other than that, I got a kick out of "Well, now I have my level one Yuffie!" like she were a pokemon or something.
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Mar 31, 2012 20:30
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Azure_Horizon posted:If you fall asleep while doing the FFXII LP, it's okay, we don't blame you.
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Mar 31, 2012 21:33
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Trasson posted:For that it's worth this video kinda spoils one of the final bosses (granted, in image form, so you probably won't know what it is, but still).
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Mar 31, 2012 21:54
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I really like FF12. It can drag a little, but it does its best to offset that by making tedious stuff play itself out. I think it's a question of mindset - do you resent that the tedious stuff is even there, or are you glad that you don't have to do it yourself? Do you hate that the game can play itself, or do you accept that it's sometimes better and realize that you don't HAVE to make it like that? Don't go in with a negative opinion. Or any at all. It's very different, but I think it's also very good.
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Mar 31, 2012 22:03
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Elentor, when you get around to FFXII you should play the International version if at all possible. There's an English translation patch here, although it requires that you have both versions of the game (as far as I know the patch basically just transfers all the text from the standard version to the International one). The International version has a fast-forward button to decrease tedium, a job system so not all characters are interchangeable (you select a job for each character and that limits them to learning certain skills / equipment use), and probably a few other nice features I don't know about. I think it might make gambits available earlier on as well. Either way the job system makes it worthwhile on its own, being able to fast forward is nice too.
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Mar 31, 2012 23:41
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Elentor posted:You guys are not helping. It's gonna hurt isn't it FFXII is my favourite Final Fantasy. (FFIX is my second favourite.) I am not saying the people who dislike it are wrong to do so, I'm just saying that you should make up your own mind, not pre-judge it based on other people's opinions. The Gambit system does utterly change the gameplay once you get them.
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The other big thing FFXII International does is remove the damage limit, which makes the postgame much less painful. With it the only thing that really annoyed me was the chaining system.
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I've actually been playing International recently and it definitely improved my opinions on the game. I've been spoiled by emulators and I'm glad someone finally put a speed up button in a videogame. If only all these obvious problems were fixed before the game came out, but hey. Anyway Elentor, a while ago you asked for peoples favorite chapters, I'd have to say my favorite was Chapter 35. That conversation between Cloud and Aeris really showed just how different Squaresoft and Square Enix are.
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I actually really liked FFXII but never beat it - Like with every Final Fantasy game I've played, I basically just do the level grinding thing until I'm strong enough to blast through enemies, except that gets really tedious, especially at higher levels, and it almost always ensures I never finish the game. I played through FFVII four times and still never picked up on a lot of the game-breaking stuff in this thread. Really, it kind of makes me amazed at how bad I am at Final Fantasy 'cause I feel like I've been doing it wrong this entire time, haha. I know I'm technically not, but the games would be so much more fun for me if I knew I could do all of this stuff beforehand. I love this LP for showing all of that (and because FFVII has always been one of my favorite games) and think an LP for FFXII would be awesome. I'd love to see how someone who's never played it before but is actually good at Final Fantasy games approaches it.
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KataraniSword posted:My opinion varies with the moon phases as to everything else in FF12, but I have to say, the bestiary really IS a labor of love.
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 When we left off, Aerated was level 2. What strange things will happen this time...?  Well first you don't need to name characters I say to get people talking like Foghorn Leghorn.  Running is not the answer. The answer is to throw barrels.  Of course since I have a party member named Barrel this got awkward.   Anyway at Sector 6 I buy some more potions since Airbuster wrang me dry.  I don't buy any Titan Bangles since I will get in exactly one fight before Mythril Bangles show up, and I'll run from that one.  Cover is really really helpful considering Aerated's limit breaks.  No you nitwit W.H. Taft is a dude.  Okay fine whatever I'm dating the president.  Ugh a giant and long screen with no chance to avoid an encounter. A Hell House attacks, showing that Midgar's housing market has undergone so many crises that the houses are fed up with it. That's the one battle before Mythril Armlets.  To hell with Taft I want the cart. That thing is fancy.  I get three Mythril Bangles for the defense and materia slots.  And I sell the Titan Bangle, leaving an old Iron Bangle for switching armor around. Money is tight about now. Luckily, Steal is right around the corner.  CLOUD has to be the prettiest girl ever.  Otherwise, he's thrown in a room with Cornero's minions.  The minions give EXP. We can't have that.  So yeah, a montage of the choices to get CLOUD to maximum pretty.  Actually what you pick determines if he picks Aerated or Taft instead. Taft is the most common option, Aerated shows up a few times, and CLOUD is only if you pick all the right options.  And the makeup, don't forget that.  Since I won't be at a shop until after Steal, I splurge on potions.  blah blah blah relationship stuff I don't care about FREE ETHER  Okay, glad that worked. I had literally closed my eyes to avoid the suspense since I knew that if I messed up, my last save was right at entering Wall Market.  Also getting CLOUD in bed with the Don allows this. It's 3 points for Barrel.  Right. Aps. Aps is pretty boring since I used the free Hyper behind Conero's bed to put Fury on Aerated. Healing Wind recovers 50% HP and she only has to lose about 25% to get it full. I probably should've got Seal Evil here but   Sewer Tsunami is my best offense actually. Cross Slash hits for 110 and stuns him, but that's it. Taft's punching for 25. drat low strength sucks.  I was worried he'd lick Aerated and remove her Fury, but luckily it never happened.  And he kills himself with Sewer Tsunami, letting Aerated get all the EXP.  Forced EXP isn't so bad. She's got 40 more HP, doubled her MP, and got a few points in her stats. Just wish boss EXP wasn't so low until near the end of disc 1, you know?
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Scalding Coffee posted:Does it not look like a mass of spelling errors if you complete it? It was great, but the spelling looked like an alpha script of FFT. People need to stop complaining about the odd spellings and British pronunciations in FFXII. If one person even thinks about complaining about the K in "magick" and "technick" in the FFXII thread I will flip right the gently caress out. It literally could not matter less.
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George posted:People need to stop complaining about the odd spellings and British pronunciations in FFXII. If one person even thinks about complaining about the K in "magick" and "technick" in the FFXII thread I will flip right the gently caress out. It literally could not matter less. Magick is alright, but technick is just plain weird man. I cannot get over that spelling. It should have just been technique. It's been technique in every other FF game that that word has appeared in. But it's pretty minor in the laundry list of problems FFXII has.
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I made a big deal about it in FFTA2's LP, but really, you get used to it. I'm not TWD, looking to burn Alexander O. Smith at the stake for a few extra flavour letters.
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KataraniSword posted:I'm not TWD, looking to burn Alexander O. Smith at the stake for a few extra flavour letters. I see what you loving did there.
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Azure_Horizon posted:Magick is alright, but technick is just plain weird man. I cannot get over that spelling. It should have just been technique. It's been technique in every other FF game that that word has appeared in. I suppose they chose it to fit in with the "ick" of "magick". At least, that's what I'd guess, making it more old and Germanic sounding. And they put some care and effort into it, they didn't just half-arse it with things like "Thou musteth use thy Chocobo-beasteth, to travel across the desert...eth". They gave things like Drace's speech and the Occuria's speech a poetic flow.
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Not even Freakazoid references can stop goons from bickering about FFXII. 
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I love your low-level run stuff so far! Please keep doing them.
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Orange Fluffy Sheep posted:Not even Freakazoid references can stop goons from bickering about FFXII. quote:* Do not talk about other posts. Like "People need to stop discussing X". I'm loving the low-level run but please don't do this. I want to read the horrible things people have to say about FF12 so that I don't get disappointed when I play it. Something like that happened when I watched the Doom movie for the first time. It was so universally hated and despised that I was pleasantly surprised since I expected much worse. Pesky Splinter posted:I suppose they chose it to fit in with the "ick" of "magick". At least, that's what I'd guess, making it more old and Germanic sounding. Wasn't magic in FF6 spelled as Magik? If I recall correctly magick was originally spelled like this to distinguish between what really weird people considered "real magic" from "stage magic", so the usage in video-games is not that (early-)historically inaccurate, specially since Vagrant Story had a lot of inspiration from late medieval time. Amusing thing, in Portuguese there are two different words for it. Magia refers to magic supposed to be real in their respective universe (so FF spells are magia), and Mágica refers to stage magic. You're probably gonna forget about this tomorrow, but who knows! Elentor fucked around with this message at 15:00 on Apr 1, 2012 |
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Elentor posted:Wasn't magic in FF6 spelled as Magik?
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Elentor posted:Wasn't magic in FF6 spelled as Magik? I think you're thinking of magitek, which is just magical technology (but with a "k"). Magick is a valid, albeit, very archaic spelling, having been around for at least 500 years or so until standardised spelling. And you're right in that "Occultist Aleister Crowley chose the spelling to differentiate the occult from stage magic", but he revived the spelling in the late 1880-1900s for his own purposes or something like that. FFXII in general uses very old spellings or terms, and very old sounding grammar constructions, things like "The Nethecite is ours to give! To chosen bearer, or to none!" Someone in the Main FF thread brought up a very interesting point about some of the fantasy terms in XII being based on Latin bases, such a Manufacted Nethicite and Deifacted Nethicite; manufacted doesn't exist in English spellings, but "manufactured" does, and both derive from "manufactus" ("hand made"). Deifacted has no real world equivilent, but "Dei" or "Deus" - god made. And now I've learnt something new about the Portuguese language 
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I had no problem with the dialogue and spelling in FFXII, but it was really awkward and strange when backported to Final Fantasy Tactics. Maybe it's just being used to the original script, maybe it's the lack of Fauxspeare voice acting to make the archaic speech sound normal, maybe it's Ramza being black (no wait, that part is awesome), but there's just something weird about the Zodiac Stones being referred to as "auracite" to make them fit in with FFXII, even if it totally works on a technical level.
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Pesky Splinter posted:Deifacted has no real world equivilent, but "Dei" or "Deus" - god made. Ooh. That word would be perfect for my novel. I think I'll use it, thanks!
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All this talk about magic vs. magick, etc., and no one's brought up machina?
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Golbez posted:All this talk about magic vs. magick, etc., and no one's brought up machina? They start making machines in X-2 and say there's a difference.
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Golbez posted:All this talk about magic vs. magick, etc., and no one's brought up machina?
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Golbez posted:All this talk about magic vs. magick, etc., and no one's brought up machina? Because machina is a pretty common term in English conversation. Even if you're not a writer, chances are you've heard the term deus ex machina before and know what it means, even if its meaning isn't known. Magick, on the other hand, is an unfamiliar spelling of a familiar word, assuming you don't live in 1886. Nakar posted:but there's just something weird about the Zodiac Stones being referred to as "auracite" to make them fit in with FFXII, even if it totally works on a technical level. Really, that's the biggest thing that bugged me about WotL. Did we have to tie the games harder together? I mean, that just stings of lazy retconning even if, as you said, it works in a technical level.
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Elentor posted:
Well, I found FFXII to be a really great experience once I sat down and fiddled with it. I can see some problems people have with the game, but I found the game to be a terrific experience, one that did cost me a night's sleep to play. ButGiruvegan can go up in flames. I hated that drat level. KataraniSword posted:Because machina is a pretty common term in English conversation. Even if you're not a writer, chances are you've heard the term deus ex machina before and know what it means, even if its meaning isn't known. Magick, on the other hand, is an unfamiliar spelling of a familiar word, assuming you don't live in 1886. Without needing to go into a history lesson, I just assumed that they spelled magick that way based on how the word sounds aloud. Tactless Ogre fucked around with this message at 18:54 on Apr 1, 2012 |
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Tactless Ogre posted:ButGiruvegan can go up in flames. I hated that drat level. Thanks for reminding me that sequence existed. rear end in a top hat.
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Waffleman_ posted:They start making machines in X-2 and say there's a difference. No, the Al Bhed say that calling them something different means that people think of them differently. They're fully aware that the only difference is a letter.
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Zandar posted:No, the Al Bhed say that calling them something different means that people think of them differently. They're fully aware that the only difference is a letter. Sylrehy and sylreha aren't even pronounced that differently 
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It's kinda funny. I didn't 100% FF12 or anything, but I honestly can't remember anything except two boss fights. Granted I actually liked Balthier and a couple other characters, just none of it was extremely memorable.
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Nakar posted:maybe it's Ramza being black (no wait, that part is awesome) Wait what the gently caress is this? Seriously? I mean I'm not doubting or challenging what you have to say, just if I had a quote or something that would be hilarious. Also re:Magitek, I think that in particular was just a perfect storm of data limits and the 90s. It's like in three or four hundred years, some futuristic linguistic historian will look upon FF6 as an analytical component of his doctoral thesis and say, "yes, Magitek is the essence of the 1990s." Fur20 fucked around with this message at 19:57 on Apr 1, 2012 |
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