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Normal Adult Human posted:Whirrun reminded me of burnt face dog man from the GRRM books. He had this entire characterization of gaining revenge upon his elder brother but just died of fever in the middle of nowhere without any real goal or closure. Just go to the GRRM thread dude with the same post and be enlightened 
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DarkCrawler posted:Just go to the GRRM thread dude with the same post and be enlightened really... go do this^^^^
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DarkCrawler posted:Just go to the GRRM thread dude with the same post and be enlightened What is the ETA of the next book? I can't wait for it. Started the Black Legion series on the recommendations from this thread and it's pretty good so far, haven't gotten through the first book yet, but I'm liking it.
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Normal Adult Human posted:Whirrun reminded me of burnt face dog man from the GRRM books. He had this entire characterization of gaining revenge upon his elder brother but just died of fever in the middle of nowhere without any real goal or closure. He's not dead The Whirrun thing was cool because you expect legendary heroes in fantasy books to have plot armor and for the whole book he seems like an unstoppable force of nature like in a Dynasty Warriors game. Especially since he basically seems to take his own plot armor and destiny for granted. And then he goes down randomly in the whirl of battle to a nameless, faceless guy. That's what Abercrombie was going for there, though, which is why it wouldn't make any sense for the 'nameless, faceless guy' to be a major player.
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Above Our Own posted:I'd say it was Abercrombie at his usual shtick, subverting common fantasy tropes. Legendary warrior with an ancient sword of power dies pointlessly in a relatively inconsequential fight. Killed by some random jerk who basically fumbled his way over. If I recall Whirrun was after an amazing, cataclysmic battle between himself and (badass sun-killer, all-slayer, mega-swordsman eunuch) Bremer dan Gorst. Bad luck mate. War is hell. I added spoilers, I'm not sure what the spoiler rules are in this thread. Actually everyone else is not using them, anyway...
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Normal Adult Human posted:Whirrun reminded me of burnt face dog man from the GRRM books. He had this entire characterization of gaining revenge upon his elder brother but just died of fever in the middle of nowhere without any real goal or closure. Was this from the last book Dance with Dragons? Because maybe you should spoiler that since this isnt the GRRM thread. I don't think I wanted to read that  I spoilered it in case others come in here.EDIT: Apparently there's more to it by the extra blocks of black text from others so that's good.
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SpannerX posted:Black Legion series Do you mean Black Company or is there actually a series called Black Legion that I need to check out?
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Hondo82 posted:Was this from the last book Dance with Dragons? Because maybe you should spoiler that since this isnt the GRRM thread. I don't think I wanted to read that No, it's implied he died in book 3, then it's hinted he's not dead in book 4.
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Orion just released a catalog of all their books coming out this year and this is the blurb for Red Country:Orion posted:His name is Logen Ninefingers.
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 Logen's back  I kind of wish they would have left his arc alone but I've got confidence in the author so we'll see.
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Mar 20, 2012 05:17
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I loving love you! And I love Joe, and Logen and the whole drat world! Made my whole loving day.
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Mar 20, 2012 05:17
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It is going to be pretty awesome getting to read more of Logen dropping his wisdom and catchphrases and then going into psychotic, violent rages when he's caught in some poo poo.
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savinhill posted:It is going to be pretty awesome getting to read more of Logen dropping his wisdom and catchphrases and then going into psychotic, violent rages when he's caught in some poo poo. In a motherfucking Western. 
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If that's true then I'll grudgingly eat my words, but I really did think that story was better off left alone and done.
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John Charity Spring posted:If that's true then I'll grudgingly eat my words, but I really did think that story was better off left alone and done. Seconded. Logen was probably my 2nd favorite character in the trilogy (behind Glokta), but I think his story ended well enough and should be left as it is. Dosen't mean I won't read the poo poo out of the new book though. 
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True, but if there was ever a character who'd do well in a fantasy Unforgiven William Munney type role...
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Great news, really looking forward to it. Sure Logen had a complete arc in TFL but I think Joe could some interesting things with him in a western setting, particularly some amusing plays on his northmen ancestry.
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Great news to wake up to, only thing better was if it were coming out next week. Logen might have had a complete arc in TFL but he can just start a new one, I don't care. It's the Bloody Nine
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John Charity Spring posted:If that's true then I'll grudgingly eat my words, but I really did think that story was better off left alone and done. Suck it doubters! None bloodier than Logan's past! Mr.48 fucked around with this message at 02:27 on Mar 21, 2012 |
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Silentgoldfish posted:True, but if there was ever a character who'd do well in a fantasy Unforgiven William Munney type role... That's exactly what I was picturing. "Who's the fellow owns this shithole?"
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gently caress that poo poo, lovely ambiguous endings are a trope now and Joe's out to blast them all! gently caress yes, motherfucking Logen's back!
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Fly Molo posted:That's exactly what I was picturing. "You, Fatman, speak up."
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Ninefingers... Welp dudes are going to get really, really dead this time around I guess.
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I'm a bit more than halfway through the third book of TFL. I'm loving the trilogy, and I've got the other two books in the big pile of unread. At first I wasn't too big a fan of Logen. Now I'm rather happy about him being in the new book. Western, Logen, Abercrombie. There's no way this won't end horrible.
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Umph posted:Yeah, along with a mysterious uncle with the bloodiest past, the preview says her and Lamben the Bloody Nineuncle go and meet Cosca. No other character from the first law fits the description, ansd Joe wouldn't troll that hard, hes more subtle when he trolls. Its 100% logen. I called it four pages ago. Just saying. Also  Can't bloody wait! Umph fucked around with this message at 23:45 on Mar 23, 2012 |
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Thanks to this thread, I've now read The First Law trilogy and Best Served Cold and am about to start on The Heroes. Thanks for the recommendation guys, I'm loving Joe Abercrombie's characterisation and style.
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FINALLY had the chance to finish the book. Took me much longer than it should have due to distractions.Grand Prize Winner posted:When the incest is revealed and you get all shocked I'm gonna be laughing on you.  vHughmoris posted:I'm waiting for him to get to "It should have been you." I really, really liked this one. I totally get why people are so nuts about Cosca now. I liked him okay in the First Law triology, but it wasn't until Best Served Cold when he really had the chance to take center stage and shine that everything clicked and he quickly became one of my favorite Abercrombie characters. Anyway, just a few questions. Not sure there are actual answers to them just yet, but just wondering. - Regarding Shenkt: Why was he trying to keep Monza alive? (And incidentally, what a massive mind-gently caress that was.) Was he working for Khalul? Was Khalul hoping to use her to dispose of Orso so that the Union (and by extension Bayaz), would lose one of their most powerful allies? It seemed that this was hinted at and not explicitly stated, but I just wanted to know if I was reading that right. - Regarding Shenkt and Sulfur: Who was the master Sulfer accused Shenkt of abandoning? My instincts say Bayaz, but was it someone older, like Juvens or Kanedias? Well, onto The Heroes. And after that, I'll be stuck with the rest of you waiting until Red Country comes out in the fall in order to get my next Abercrombie fix.
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UncleMonkey posted:
- Regarding Shenkt: At first, I think he just didn't want to see his patient and the result of all his genius surgery work get killed. I don't think he took a personal interest in seeing any side win in all the fighting that was going on in the whole region of the book until Monza herself decided to become ruler of Styria. He wasn't working for Khalul, he hated both Bayaz and Khalul. Khalul did have that creepy black girl working for him in that area against Orso, who was Bayaz's pawn in that area. I don't know if it was ever stated outright that Bayaz was Shenkt's old master, but it was pretty heavily implied.
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UncleMonkey posted:- Regarding Shenkt and Sulfur: Who was the master Sulfer accused Shenkt of abandoning? My instincts say Bayaz, but was it someone older, like Juvens or Kanedias? Yes, it's Bayaz.
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UncleMonkey posted:- Regarding Shenkt: Why was he trying to keep Monza alive? (And incidentally, what a massive mind-gently caress that was.) Was he working for Khalul? Was Khalul hoping to use her to dispose of Orso so that the Union (and by extension Bayaz), would lose one of their most powerful allies? It seemed that this was hinted at and not explicitly stated, but I just wanted to know if I was reading that right. Shenkt was working for himself and he knew who Monza was. Bayaz was his master that he left ( At the end encounter Yoru says "Our master" and Shenkt replies "Your master, I have none, anymore, remember? I told him I was done." ) and he kept Monza alive because he knew she would work against Bayaz' wishes. Khalul's agent, Ishri/East Wind, did want to ally with Monza but Monza wasnt having any of it. She's a free agent, Shenkt is a free agent. Like Yoru Sulfur he took to cannibalism for the power under Bayaz.
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OK, cool. That all makes sense. Thanks, guys!
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We have publications dates for Red Country! UK: Thursday, Oct 18th 2012. US: Tuesday, Nov 20th 2012. http://www.joeabercrombie.com/news/
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I might just order it from the UK, especially considering that they will probably have better cover art anyway.
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UncleMonkey posted:I might just order it from the UK, especially considering that they will probably have better cover art anyway. Get it from Bookdepository.co.uk they have free worldwide shipping anyways and usually either match or beat Amazon for pricing.
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Hondo82 posted:Shenkt was working for himself and he knew who Monza was. Bayaz was his master that he left ( At the end encounter Yoru says "Our master" and Shenkt replies "Your master, I have none, anymore, remember? I told him I was done." ) and he kept Monza alive because he knew she would work against Bayaz' wishes. Khalul's agent, Ishri/East Wind, did want to ally with Monza but Monza wasnt having any of it. She's a free agent, Shenkt is a free agent. Like Yoru Sulfur he took to cannibalism for the power under Bayaz. Shenktchat: When he shows up in Orso's palace during the final seige, he also says something along the lines of "Bayaz made Orso, and I break what he makes". It's made pretty clear that he's the opposite number to Yoru Sulfur at that point, being the apprentice that saw what Bayaz was doing and went against it rather than become complicit in a centuries-long squabble between two old men. I can't recall if he had any opinions on Khalul at the moment because my copy isn't handy, but I'm sure he's not too fond of him either. I'd love to see more of his character, it was a breath of fresh air to finally have someone who knew what was going on and was actively opposed to it, rather than being a willing lackey or making GBS threads themselves in terror at the thought of pissing off Bayaz. Or one of the other magi who are more or less indifferent to the matter.
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Any bets on Red Country having POVs from Khalul's side?
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Bussamove posted:Shenktchat: Shenkt does not kneel. I think it's in The Heroes that (also Best Served Cold spoiler) It's talked about by Bayaz/Sulfur that Monza's part of the world is a third party to the Bayaz/Khalul conflict, so I just assume Shenkt (WHO DOES NOT KNEEL) wants no part of either even if his opinion on Khalul isn't explicitly said. He is a breath of fresh air and I hope to see him more! PlushCow fucked around with this message at 01:47 on Apr 5, 2012 |
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Pre-ordered Red Country for bookdepository.co.uk for $20 in hardcover with free delivery! Now the agonizing wait.....
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Mr.48 posted:Get it from Bookdepository.co.uk they have free worldwide shipping anyways and usually either match or beat Amazon for pricing.
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There's two hardcover Red Country(1, 2) listed there from different publishers, one is 560 pages and the other is 640. I'm assuming the difference in page count is something like font size or whatever? Anyone know?
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