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alansmithee posted:the lofty305 release shroomtard is better than mink rug imo. the last couple of months i've been rocking that, schoolboy q, gunplay and the lil ugly mane tape constantly. pretty much has covered all my bases as far as rap is concerned. i've found a lot of stuff from metro zu and their members/affiliates have been really hit or miss though, which is probably to be expected since they seem to drop as many tracks as lil b Good call on that Shroomtard. I'm really feeling Proper Pimp and Ima Shroom. Obvious is good too. Metro Zu, SGP, Lil' B and OF have ruled my ears over the last year. Metro Zu not as much due to only getting into them around the Mink Rug release BUT I can see me listening to them this year. Can I just say God bless the Internet? I don't even believe in God but drat, the Internet has given me too much dope music.
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CrazyScot posted:in Oz there's a lot of local poo poo-hop marketed and we don't tend to get decent middle-range rap artists. that is no excuse because i am scottish and probably one of the biggest rap nerds you will ever meet. rap is actually incredibly popular in oz comparatively. step your game up crazyscot!
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farmtrill posted:that is no excuse because i am scottish and probably one of the biggest rap nerds you will ever meet. rap is actually incredibly popular in oz comparatively. step your game up crazyscot! Very true, but if you're not a big fan of the Hilltop Hoods, Phrase or Drapht you can struggle. Oz misses someone like Westwood (I'm going to probably regret mentioning him) who does actually cover the US scene. Hell even Zane Lowe picks up more stuff than most over here. But yeah, weak excuses. I miss the UK and more specifically radio 1 late nights for picking up new music from outside the country. Anyway, I'm taking all your guys suggestions away and seeing what I like, you guys are awesome. Pinball Jizzard fucked around with this message at 13:02 on Apr 5, 2012 |
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I'm from Australia too and most of the people I know here into rap only like Aussie rap and Tupac and Biggie and little else. I can't get into Australian rap at all, while most of the big acts here are decent lyricists I'm just not feeling it as a whole. Aussie rap songs are about drinking with your mates or inspirational songs about struggling against the odds and that's about it. For a country built by criminals, there is very little in the way of gansta rap here.
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This is generalizing, but I think a big problem amongst local artists (apart from being painfully homogeneous) is that there's an over-emphasis on being "authentic" and "TRUE HIP HOP" rather than being fun or innovative. If you look in the libraries of Aussie Hip-Hop folks all the non-Australian rap they listen to made after 1995 is Army of the Pharaohs/Immortal Technique style backpacker tunes. Its like a KRS-One cargo cult here. I'd SUPPORT THE LOCAL SCENE if they had something interesting to say or had a style that wasn't poorly trying to copy late 80's New York.
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i think that is a common thread amongst a lot of white rap artists, even in america, it has to with a fear of being perceived as "inauthentic" and it leads to a ton posturing that ultimately creates boring music imo
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Freddie Gibbis posted:i think that is a common thread amongst a lot of white rap artists, even in america, it has to with a fear of being perceived as "inauthentic" and it leads to a ton posturing that ultimately creates boring music imo Ehh, I'm not sure if I'd agree with that. I mean the whole late 90's/00's underground scene had a lot of white dudes who were definitely doing their own thing. I'd say that's a much more recent phenomenon, with the big backlash against "backpacker" poo poo. Also 99.5% of foreign rap sucks and sounds like whatever was popular in the US 15 years ago. We went over this before, if it's not from the US/Canada it's extremely likely to be raw garbage. I'm already looking forward to a bunch of Lex Luger ripoff drums coming from Europe in 10 years.
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alansmithee posted:Ehh, I'm not sure if I'd agree with that. I mean the whole late 90's/00's underground scene had a lot of white dudes who were definitely doing their own thing. I'd say that's a much more recent phenomenon, with the big backlash against "backpacker" poo poo. i know some dutch rappers are already on that, most of faberyayos beats sound like really bad versions of gucci tracks
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speaking of foreign rap, let's share some Rumi (Japanese) http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LwqeSG1ebn8 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ImfNHtiAc_c
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Every time this thread turns into foreign rap chat people always post links and none of it is ever any good. Have a Jake the Flake song to balance it out: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YevdKP-VuQ4
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Robert Analog posted:Every time this thread turns into foreign rap chat people always post links and none of it is ever any good. Have a Jake the Flake song to balance it out: Yeah that's why I was trying to squash that poo poo right now. Should be in the OP in bigass Blingee text "NO FOREIGN RAP THAT STUFF SUCKS"
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Nosferatu Man posted:Rumi is so tight though Can you understand Japanese? Because I'd rather listen to a bone head rapper I can understand than a foreign flow where I can't even hear any of the rhymes. (It's the opposite for other types of music though)
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I live in Japan and understand enough Japanese to follow those somewhat and that poo poo sucks dog I confess that maybe I'm missing out on some super complex obscure word play but it sounds bad enough that I'm not gonna try to figure it out EDIT: Am much as I love it here, I doubt a country where a dude getting busted for growing his own weed is front page news can produce good rap WDIIA fucked around with this message at 21:10 on Apr 5, 2012 |
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Finnish rap is on some weird Romani folk thing at the moment, violins and accordions and poo poo. At least it's a change from the Primo worship.
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all i can say is thank gently caress there isnt such a thing as scottish rap outside of a few jokey youtube vids. someone wrote a really long wiki page claiming that there is but there is no way any of it can be real or it is so underground theyre actually living in the ibrox subway e:right i just refuse to believe this is real im pissed off actually http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vyx-bJR3Kvg farmtrill fucked around with this message at 22:48 on Apr 5, 2012 |
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Apr 5, 2012 22:43
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just wait til my south asian rap tape comes out haha
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Diodeous posted:Recently I got the whole No Limit discography so I've been listening to Master P and Kane & Abel a loving ton, but if you're going to NOLA, try to see some bounce music (if that's your thing) http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5OYtqKZMR_g Also if you like Jazz, UNO puts on some fantastic stuff and their students play all over the city (and not just as buskers!) Thanks for the NOLA Bounce track, just turned me on to a whole (sub?)genre that I've never even heard of. I don't really know where to go to find more tracks but I really like this song and a few of the others I've seen in the youtube sidebar, any recommendations?
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CrazyScot posted:If it helps any I'd be looking for more stuff along the lines of Killer Mike, A$AP and I guess Mr Muthafuckin Exquire. Again fringe rap, but with the exception of the massive producers and artists like Jay Z an Kanye which I don't need help to find I don't know what reference points to use, in Oz there's a lot of local poo poo-hop marketed and we don't tend to get decent middle-range rap artists. Moreso than artists I guess I'd appreciate good streamable radio stations so I could find my own stuff. Here's my theory about this: You know how a lot of big drinkers eventually just wind up drinking hard liqour? And how coffee addicts eventually just start drinking straight black coffee? Well us here at the Goon Forums Rap Thread are so jaded from hearing years and years of the same retreaded crap that nothing excites us anymore except for the hardest and most retarded rap. This is why we love gunplay, flocka, lil b and them. I guess I can't really speak for anyone else but this is how I feel about the subject.
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dethkon posted:Here's my theory about this: For me at least, I think it's a combination of that and of phases you go through. From like 15-18 I listened to what I thought was "intelligent"(see: lovely) rap and after a while you realize it's either really bland and holds no substance or it's too preachy. I still like rappers who put emotion into tracks and their personalities shine through and less of rappers who are saying something with "meaning" just for the sake of it.
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you were right about the hardest, most retarded rap part but you wait just a goddamn seconddethkon posted:we love gunplay, flocka, lil b and them.  for me, you still have to be good at saying words that rhyme with each other in quick succession (gunplay is actually okay i guess, i havent heard much of him)
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when rock and roll kids get into hip hop the initial period of fandom comprises a desperate scramble to collect acts that will legitamize their newfound love of rap to their rock and roll friends. this usially manifests as a very large premium being placed on big words and "positive messages" and generally anything that can counter the general outsiders perception of rap as "dumb crime music" thats not a pure way to appreciate music; its a defensive reaction, and as "converts" get more and more comfortable with the fact that they are rap fans, they free themselves from the burden of being a self-styled "rap ambassador" to people who couldnt care less, because they grow to recognize that hip hop can be dope even when its not the kind that causes white guys with beards to nod their heads knowingly the problem is that when you see this dynamic over and over agan, its real easy to get dismissive about it, because it generally it points to a lack of knowledge accompanied by that sophomoric "lemme tell you whats what" tone that probably comes from knowing more about rap music than your friends that dont listen to it at all lot of words but i think its accurate
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Mike Tysons CARFAX posted:Thanks for the NOLA Bounce track, just turned me on to a whole (sub?)genre that I've never even heard of. I don't really know where to go to find more tracks but I really like this song and a few of the others I've seen in the youtube sidebar, any recommendations? A lot of people (and wikipedia lol) say that MC T.T. Tucker & DJ Irv's "Where Dey At" is the first bounce record http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E8w641Hwk7s Ricky B - Shake it Fo Ya Hood http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GcFy_nF5qrg (FUCKIN RIGHT ITS ALRIGHT) Magnolia Shorty - Monkey on Tha Dick http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YR7VbTbeIzI Gregory D & DJ Mannie Fresh "Buck Jump Time" http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jM8T8RK3hqU The Show Boys - Drag Rap (Triggaman) http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oJyo1fjtNw4 (This beat is the basis for most bounce songs) Lil Elt - Get Da Gat http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VCHxpCwenmo (Jay Electronica references this song on Exhibit A "get the gat get the gat was a popular phrase") Tim Smooth - I Gotsa Have It http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0CzYHTRPJ8I Partners-N-C or PNC are one of my favorite bounce groups, but they cross over a lot more than other artists just because they vary the production from the usual bounce stuff. Compare PNC - Give Me Some (Heroin) http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lhKVRlm83pU to Pump tha Party http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d6RWF5Bc7_Y&feature=related and Let the Good Times Roll (which features a great sample) http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B_xOLigAseY&feature=relmfu All that PNC stuff is from the same album, which is PNC3. PNC would also like to remind you how often they hate UNLV, but I will recommend you try out UNLV, here is "6th & Baronne" http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uH37HbxYA9w I know less about modern bounce artists, but Big Freedia is pretty popular (and I recommend him/her). Big Freedia is sissy bounce which is an even weirder sub-genre http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eau1qHxI-8w Here's a bounce remix of Adele's "Rolling in the Deep" that was gaining some steam regionally: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t0F80Dhd0aY&feature=related I think that's about all I know about bounce but mostly thats just my youtube favorites and some albums I like. There's a ton ton ton ton ton of bounce out there. Here's some good sites to find out more about Bounce, but please consult your local librarian as well http://nolabounce.com/ http://twankleandglisten.blogspot.com/ (most of the links are expired but they posted good poo poo) http://wheretheyatnola.com/ (biographies/retrospective on bounce artists) I can't find the link anymore or it might not exist, but there's an excellent blog on NOLA music called the boot state or something similar to that. I'll keep looking but its the most comprehensive I've found dethkon, I sort of agree with you. Gunplay and Flocka just feel very real in their ignorance and there is something sort of refreshing about how they revel in it. I don't need messages or content, I just want something I can bump while I smoke weed Diodeous fucked around with this message at 23:51 on Apr 5, 2012 |
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Thanks I'll check out all of it. I was actually supposed to see Big Freedia at Snowball Music Festival early in March but there was some problem and he(she?) didn't perform at all. I didn't know anything about the music I just heard from someone that it's a crazy show.
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I think this is a NOLA Bounce song. I heard it years ago- it's called Alphabet Bitchez Backwards Z to A by PxMxWx: http://www.cocaineblunts.com/blunts/wp-content/uploads/2007/06/pmw2.mp3
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PxMxWx was one of the early groups Mannie Fresh worked with, but I don't know if you'd call them bounce since they were on Cash Money. A lot of people did bounce songs (you had to if you were from NOLA) but not a lot of people were strictly bounce artists if you get my drift
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If I buy old UNLV or Juvenile albums will Manny Fresh and the rappers get money or does it all go to Birdman?
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caveman thug poo poo posted:you were right about the hardest, most retarded rap part but you wait just a goddamn second Don't get me wrong, I like words that rhyme fast too. But these days I tend towards the more "expressive" (I think that's what somebody said earlier) raps these days, cause it's more real to me. Of course everyone is entitled to their own tastes, obviously. Diodeous posted:Compare PNC - Give Me Some (Heroin) http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lhKVRlm83pU We talked about this before, but it's funny to me that NO is still the only city where the rappers actually admit (and promote) doing boy. See BG and UNLV and the birdman in early 90s. edit: judging from the grammar in this post, I may have indeed become retarded recently. That would also explain it. SOME PIG fucked around with this message at 00:56 on Apr 6, 2012 |
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Generally port cities like NOLA, Jacksonville, Newark, Houston, etc tend to have bigger heroin problems than other ports of entry, but I don't know if this is really all that true anymore with the drastic rise in the amount of synthetic opiates out there. If you look back until fairly recently, there were cities that were cocaine/crack cities and heroin cities and it was easy to tell which was which because 'traditional' heroin cities didn't have nearly as bad of crack problems in the 1980s. I don't know if this is still entirely accurate, but what I'm speculating is that niche heroin and ecstasy rappers might be explained by geography. I'm probably not articulating my point very well right now, but I think you guys get the idea. As to rappers admitting to heroin use: is Schoolboy Q's 'Oxy Music' continuing the great trend of non-drank based opiate rapps pioneered by early 90s NOLA and refined by Lil Wyte?
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Diodeous posted:Generally port cities like NOLA, Jacksonville, Newark, Houston, etc tend to have bigger heroin problems than other ports of entry, but I don't know if this is really all that true anymore with the drastic rise in the amount of synthetic opiates out there. If you look back until fairly recently, there were cities that were cocaine/crack cities and heroin cities and it was easy to tell which was which because 'traditional' heroin cities didn't have nearly as bad of crack problems in the 1980s. I don't know if this is still entirely accurate, but what I'm speculating is that niche heroin and ecstasy rappers might be explained by geography. I'm probably not articulating my point very well right now, but I think you guys get the idea. Interesting point. My old city Miami has a problem with boy, in the black communities specifically, that goes back to like the 1930s and won't go away. But Miami is more known as coke central of course, so I can't comment on that part. Interesting to think about. This seems like a good excuse for me to stop sleeping on Q. Other thoughts: It is sad that the drug game and rap game are connected like they are. Who will be the courageous first artist to rap about huffing paint??? The krylon scourge. SOME PIG fucked around with this message at 02:18 on Apr 6, 2012 |
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Since we're taking this detour, can I admit that I love PCP rap? It's all so disjointed and hosed up! Does anyone know if any rappers other than Cage/Leak Bros who rap about PCP? Jayo Felony - Sherm Stick http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z8fkHhDwFbc Sertified - Angel Dust http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IGW4RwGWhpo
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Diodeous posted:Since we're taking this detour, can I admit that I love PCP rap? It's all so disjointed and hosed up! Does anyone know if any rappers other than Cage/Leak Bros who rap about PCP? You like Leak Bros? Tame1 is that dude.
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ASAP Rocky in the studio with The Kickdrums. Needless to say I am really excited. That beat and chick are unreal. e: Also, I was listening to that new Curren$y track, and Wale is loving garbage. He actually is so bad I cannot understand how he got signed. It is beyond me. He uses mispronunciations to segue half of his lines. Smh. phractured fucked around with this message at 03:28 on Apr 6, 2012 |
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Schoolboy Q's album as a whole I'm not sure about. It's so over the top in some places that I'm CERTAIN it's not supposed to be taken seriously (almost like a parody or mockery) but it's still really good regardless. And Oxy Music is more about selling than personal use, or so I gather. And Wale used to be pretty good, but he changed up his style and kept messing around so much that he seems to have lost everything that made him interesting before. His first few mixtapes were really nice, but now I just can't stand him.
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alansmithee posted:Schoolboy Q's album as a whole I'm not sure about. It's so over the top in some places that I'm CERTAIN it's not supposed to be taken seriously (almost like a parody or mockery) but it's still really good regardless. And Oxy Music is more about selling than personal use, or so I gather. Mixtape About Nothing is still in rotation, but ever since that song with Lady Gaga... just not feeling him.
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