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Stefan Prodan
Jan 7, 2002

I deeply respect you as a human being... Some day I'm gonna make you *Mrs* Buck Turgidson!


Grimey Drawer

zari-gani posted:

The title of "A Waste of Color" is taken from the (awful) 1985 song (sung by a bunch of teenage girls) that plays in the background called "Don't Take Off My School Uniform" by Onyanko Club ("Kitty Club"). There's a famous little dance that goes with this song, and that's what he's mimicking.

Here's that song performed by AKB48, the group Male AD Takahashi -- and all of Akihabara today -- is obsessed with:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kwk9PzMe14E
The movement Arino does can be seen at 1:37. He also mouths the next line in the song in the first episode of that segment, I think.

And here's the original Onyanko Club performing the song in their 2002 reunion, 15 years after disbanding.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=66FJjbDvbrw#t=5m00s

Brief Japanese lesson: There's a line in the song that goes "'Cause it would be a waste" -- in Japanese it's mottainai kara. Kara in this context means "'cause," but they stretched it out so it sounds like karaa -- "colour". Hence the title of the segment, "Mottainai Karaa (Colour)".

Any oddities like that during segments, it's usually safe to assume it's in reference to the song that's playing. For example the random stuff Arino says at the beginning of the "Sing About Whatever You Want" segments are actually lyrics from the song they got the title from, "Do Whatever You Want."

Thanks zarigani :)

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Mister Chief
Jun 6, 2011

zari-gani posted:

"Don't Take Off My School Uniform" by Onyanko Club ("Kitty Club").

Isn't this the song about prostitution or something similarly dodgy?

zari-gani
Sep 6, 2004

How much do you want it? ;-*
Well, lemme do a quick translation and you tell me what you think:

Don't take off my school uniform
Not now; be patient
Don't take off my school uniform
No, we can't; not in a place like this
Girls always know a lot about sex
We study every day
I wanna fool around before any of my friends
But I can't go beyond that kiss
I'm too much of a coward
I wanna fool around like they do in magazines
But if I gave you everything
It would be a waste, so... I won't give it to you

Don't take off my school uniform
My skirt's going to ride up
Don't take off my school uniform
Don't undo the ribbon at my chest
What happens to boys at that moment?
I get really curious; how strange
After being asked on a date,
Being a virgin is boring
Mom and dad don't know about this overnight stay
I'm a little scared but
Being a virgin is boring
Before I turn into an old lady
Take my delicious heart... and eat it

Tempura Wizard
Sep 15, 2006

spending all
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zari-gani posted:

Well, lemme do a quick translation and you tell me what you think:

Don't take off my school uniform
...
Being a virgin is boring
Before I turn into an old lady
Take my delicious heart... and eat it
:stare:

Also, what's with these huge (as in the number of members) pop groups?
I understand you're trying to catch as much of a market share with different "types" of girls or whatnot, but after a certain number of members it seems like you'd reach a rate of diminishing returns. The whole pop idol thing is kind of terrifying and fascinating, and I say that as a pretty big Perfume fan.

Thanks for all the great translations, as usual; it's pretty crazy to think where the show has gone in regards to the English fanbase the last year or so.

Baldrash
Oct 26, 2005

zari-gani posted:

Well, lemme do a quick translation and you tell me what you think:

Don't take off my school uniform
Not now; be patient
Don't take off my school uniform
No, we can't; not in a place like this
Girls always know a lot about sex
We study every day
I wanna fool around before any of my friends
But I can't go beyond that kiss
I'm too much of a coward
I wanna fool around like they do in magazines
But if I gave you everything
It would be a waste, so... I won't give it to you

Don't take off my school uniform
My skirt's going to ride up
Don't take off my school uniform
Don't undo the ribbon at my chest
What happens to boys at that moment?
I get really curious; how strange
After being asked on a date,
Being a virgin is boring
Mom and dad don't know about this overnight stay
I'm a little scared but
Being a virgin is boring
Before I turn into an old lady
Take my delicious heart... and eat it

tl,dr: Japan :psyduck:

That's certainly something.

You raise a good point, though. It just took another 20 years or so for American pop songs to be quite so overt about sex.
VVV

Baldrash fucked around with this message at 01:48 on Apr 10, 2012

Random Stranger
Nov 27, 2009



Baldrash posted:

tl,dr: Japan :psyduck:

That's certainly something.

My reaction was "Terrible pop songs really are the same all over the world."

Tempura Wizard posted:

Also, what's with these huge (as in the number of members) pop groups?
I understand you're trying to catch as much of a market share with different "types" of girls or whatnot, but after a certain number of members it seems like you'd reach a rate of diminishing returns. The whole pop idol thing is kind of terrifying and fascinating, and I say that as a pretty big Perfume fan.

Now that's a phenomena that deserves a "Japan :psyduck:". They're like someone took all the horrible things about the idol stars, magnified it as much as possible, made it even more disturbing in the process, but people just lapped it up.

In short for people who don't know about this stuff, AKB48 is a group where 48 teenaged singers come together to make something vaguely resembling music but is second to the marketing that surrounds them. There's a theater built for them right outside the train station in Akihabara (the nerd neighborhood of Tokyo) where they put on a stage show at least once a day. When I went past it the crowds to get in filled the street. Because there are 48 of them they are rotated in and out as soon as one does something "uncute" like have a boyfriend, wants to go to school, had a slightly bad looking picture in a magazine, or anything else the promoters decide. They're such a monster hit that there's spin off groups in other cities with 48 members each.

Random Stranger fucked around with this message at 01:56 on Apr 10, 2012

zari-gani
Sep 6, 2004

How much do you want it? ;-*
I don't bat an eye to sexual content in pop songs sung by teenagers, but when it's sung in such an overly innocent and cutesy way... it somehow makes it worse for me.

Tempura Wizard posted:

Also, what's with these huge (as in the number of members) pop groups?
I understand you're trying to catch as much of a market share with different "types" of girls or whatnot, but after a certain number of members it seems like you'd reach a rate of diminishing returns. The whole pop idol thing is kind of terrifying and fascinating, and I say that as a pretty big Perfume fan.

Probably because it sells so well. Groups like C-ute disturb me the most; those girls are reaaally young (average age of 13), and their audience is nothing but adult dudes (as indicated in the video I linked to)... At the same time, little girls love them and want to be like them.

The AKB48 phenomenon is really something to behold, though...

Anyhoo, "Don't Take Off My School Uniform" was a huge 80's hit but according to Kibe (I think), to his surprise, Arino didn't know the song before starting "A Waste of Color."

zari-gani fucked around with this message at 02:09 on Apr 10, 2012

sigher
Apr 22, 2008

My guiding Moonlight...



zari-gani posted:

Probably because it sells so well. Groups like C-ute disturb me the most; those girls are reaaally young (average age of 13), and their audience is nothing but adult dudes (as indicated in the video I linked to)... At the same time, little girls love them and want to be like them.

I'm going to vomit. What the gently caress is this poo poo.

AggressivelyStupid
Jan 9, 2012

zari-gani posted:

I don't bat an eye to sexual content in pop songs sung by teenagers, but when it's sung in such an overly innocent and cutesy way... it somehow makes it worse for me.


Probably because it sells so well. Groups like C-ute disturb me the most; those girls are reaaally young (average age of 13), and their audience is nothing but adult dudes (as indicated in the video I linked to)... At the same time, little girls love them and want to be like them.

The AKB48 phenomenon is really something to behold, though...

Anyhoo, "Don't Take Off My School Uniform" was a huge 80's hit but according to Kibe (I think), to his surprise, Arino didn't know the song before starting "A Waste of Color."

That's disturbing. I hope I don't get added to a list somewhere for clicking on that. :ohdear:

Crotch Bat
Dec 6, 2003

Much like with everything else in life, the Euros seem to have more sense on how to do things in a fun atmosphere without sucking the soul out of the event.

Liku posted:

I'm going to vomit. What the gently caress is this poo poo.

The Japanese music industry facing reality? It's not like there aren't thousands of creepy pedos or borderline pedos who weren't following Britney or Christina or Jessica's every move a decade or so ago, but due to multiple reasons, the industry over here tries to ignore this side while Japan's industry seemingly says "gently caress it, squeeze every yen out of those perverts you can" and just exploits those girls like crazy.

e: I should, in fairness, point out that the age of consent nationally is 13 over there. Prefecture laws can surpass this and in some cases raise them to 18 but yea, they're on a different standard. It's all the mentality you were raised with, really.

Crotch Bat fucked around with this message at 03:18 on Apr 10, 2012

Lock
Aug 8, 2007

hardcore sound gets you hypah

The idol group thing is more than a little disturbing. Granted, sex and pop music go hand-in-hand anywhere, but how young many of the members are, and how blatant the sexualization is regardless, is creepy. I mean, I hadn't even heard of that C-ute group, but even the big groups have members in the 15-16 range.

And it is so drat big, not just among the creepy overage dude demographic, so there's no hiding from it.

sigher
Apr 22, 2008

My guiding Moonlight...



Crotch Bat posted:

It's not like there aren't thousands of creepy pedos or borderline pedos who weren't following Britney or Christina or Jessica's every move a decade or so ago,

I don't think any of their concerts were filled exclusively with middle-aged men. C-ute seems to be marketed towards that demographic.

IShallRiseAgain
Sep 12, 2008

Well ain't that precious?

Crotch Bat posted:

e: I should, in fairness, point out that the age of consent nationally is 13 over there. Prefecture laws can surpass this and in some cases raise them to 18 but yea, they're on a different standard. It's all the mentality you were raised with, really.

I'm pretty sure I heard there is nowhere in Japan where the age of consent isn't raised above 13.

-edit hmmm, upon actually look it up it appears I was misinformed.

-double edit gross, there is actually a website that is all about age of consent. I'm sure as hell not clicking it though.

IShallRiseAgain fucked around with this message at 03:28 on Apr 10, 2012

Crotch Bat
Dec 6, 2003

Much like with everything else in life, the Euros seem to have more sense on how to do things in a fun atmosphere without sucking the soul out of the event.

Liku posted:

I don't think any of their concerts were filled exclusively with middle-aged men. C-ute seems to be marketed towards that demographic.

Well, yea, that's my point. Japan basically embraced what they knew, which is that those creepy guys have more disposable income than 13 year old girls.

I'm not arguing that it isn't creepy, exploitative and generally wrong, please don't construe this as a defense.

IShallRiseAgain posted:

I'm pretty sure there is nowhere in Japan where the age of consent isn't raised above 13.

Ah. I just googled really quick and saw the 13-18 thing.

SirLarr
Mar 21, 2003

High tech, low class.
Really glad that Super Ghouls 'n' Ghosts is up for translation!

I invented THE MANLY GAME in the office the other day. We hooked up Super GnG and played to see who could get the farthest on one credit. Sadly I was the winner in reaching the stage one boss.

davidHalestorm
Aug 5, 2009

pnumoman posted:

I love the followup to that segment as well.

Just in case you haven't gotten to that particular episode yet: the staff were especially annoyed because, after filming wrapped, Arino went back to the casino to play with his own money and found great success.


I did, actually. Been watching the episodes out of order per OP's recommendation but happened to watch those ones consecutively. Wonder how much he actually won, since he kept going on about his approval ratings being so low.

I must give yet another props to the SAGCCX translation. You guys did a great job in the quiz game episodes. Translating those dumb jokes into english and still make it work is pretty cool.

Drakkel
May 6, 2007

IT'S LIKE I CAN TOUCH YOU!
I finally got around to watching Kid Kool today and I have to see, Arino got impressively good at the game despite itself.

I dunno why but I'm always amused by the ones where he has to break down his playthrough in chunks like "If I don't beat this level in this many minutes I reset." All the charts and things remind me of my childhood I guess? I used to have a massive folder full of pages of passwords and button combos and things for various games.

ImpAtom
May 24, 2007

Drakkel posted:

I finally got around to watching Kid Kool today and I have to see, Arino got impressively good at the game despite itself.

I dunno why but I'm always amused by the ones where he has to break down his playthrough in chunks like "If I don't beat this level in this many minutes I reset." All the charts and things remind me of my childhood I guess? I used to have a massive folder full of pages of passwords and button combos and things for various games.

Prince of Persia I liked, for Kid Kool it just seemed painful. All Arino could do if he didn't make it in time was reset. :smith:

Drakkel
May 6, 2007

IT'S LIKE I CAN TOUCH YOU!

ImpAtom posted:

Prince of Persia I liked, for Kid Kool it just seemed painful. All Arino could do if he didn't make it in time was reset. :smith:

That's true, Prince of Persia is far more forgiving. Never thought I'd say those words.

Xik
Mar 10, 2011

Dinosaur Gum

Liku posted:

I'm going to vomit. What the gently caress is this poo poo.

The same thing that happens in the west. I am definitely not trying to defend it, only pointing out that it is hypocritical to point the finger at Japan when we do it too. Rebecca Black is 14 and "Kathy Beth Terry" (a character played by Katy Perry in a music video) is also suppose to be 13.

Twitter posted:

"I'm 13 and in the 8th grade. I like Sudoku puzzles, the solar system, high-school science fairs, Skip-It, Weenie Babies and LOVE JTT!".

Yet the video is about a party where they get sloshed, throw up and she wakes up in bed with a dude. These are no better role models then the young Japanese girls in that video. Although I must admit there is something a bit more "real" about seeing those girls on stage with an audience completely consisting of middle aged men.

Back on topic:
Arino's comments about him getting angry on camera and how he shouldn't show this side of him I think were spot on. It makes him too..... "normal". Everyone else is suppose to get mad when they get a game over, Arino isn't. :colbert: I hope we don't see more of this side of him on camera again... I really don't like it.

Sweet William
Aug 8, 2009

You wanted the best of the best, remember?

Should we sing about it again?

Tempura Wizard posted:

The whole pop idol thing is kind of terrifying and fascinating, and I say that as a pretty big Perfume fan.

Perfume. :bubblewoop: I don't even know (other than the usual perversions; just remembered, as a teenager, walking in on my 50-something dad ogling Britney Spears pics on the computer :saddowns:; thanks thread) why you'd bother following another idol group. The whole massively-multi-member idol group fad seems to mostly play off the American Idol gimmick of getting the audience invested through a sense of participation, e.g. voting. I once thought that Girls' Generation was pushing it with just 9 members but this precluded my awareness of monstrosities like AKB48.

This reminds me of something I saw the other day which I would not normally risk posting, but in the midst of a completely awesome derail I am thus emboldened.



Is that who I think it is up there on the right? I like to think he just asked Nocchi if she's seen Cream Lemon. Or this.

I have one more dumb thing and it's this.

:snoop:I'll just show myself out.

Hakkesshu
Nov 4, 2009


SirLarr posted:

Really glad that Super Ghouls 'n' Ghosts is up for translation!

I invented THE MANLY GAME in the office the other day. We hooked up Super GnG and played to see who could get the farthest on one credit. Sadly I was the winner in reaching the stage one boss.

The thing about Super GnG is that the first stage is probably the hardest in the entire game. Mainly because you aren't used to how the controls and randomly spawning enemies can gently caress you over. If you can get past it, the rest of the game really isn't that difficult.

Really looking forward to that episode. I love that game. Hope he'll do Demon's Crest/Blazon at some point, too.

Obeast
Aug 26, 2006
Õ_~ ANIME BABE LOVER 2000 ~_Õ

Sweet William posted:


I'm so sorry for this...



To be fair, you tempted me (and probably a few other people) to do this. :colbert:

Also, what is the context of this picture... I haven't watched any of the actual new episodes since a little bit of the Strider episode before it started to really desync on me.

Sweet William
Aug 8, 2009

You wanted the best of the best, remember?

Should we sing about it again?

Obeast posted:

I'm so sorry for this...

I just got done with mine. I think yours is better. In any case you beat me out the gate so hats off.



Obeast posted:

Also, what is the context of this picture... I haven't watched any of the actual new episodes since a little bit of the Strider episode before it started to really desync on me.

Taken from this blog.

edit:

Hakkesshu posted:

Hope he'll do Demon's Crest/Blazon at some point, too.

I hope to see this one challenged as well. I can't remember when I first read the story about more copies of it being returned than sold in the U.S., but I always attributed it to the box art. I think it was the last SAGCCX thread where I got tipped off to the story about a group of religious crusaders in the south actually jacking a truck carrying copies of the game so they could 'return' them to stores (which I guess were more lax with receipt policies back then).

I wish I could find a better source for details as I've loved that game since it came out and the story fascinates and saddens me. To think that in those days before the internet was even remotely widespread, a group of simple churchfolk could mastermind such a thing... for starters even knowing the game was coming out (maybe 700 Club ran a feature?), but then hatching the plot, pinpointing an actual truck that would be carrying copies... and then, instead of just burning the drat things like they did with Beatles records and Dixie Chicks CDs, being diabolical enough to unabashedly return stolen games to stores that never sold them. I dare say Satan would have been most impressed seeing as they effectively killed off the entire Red Arremer spinoff franchise in one fell swoop (cameo appearances in fighting games notwithstanding).

Anyway, I hope to see the game get some well-deserved time in the spotlight. It's not even on Virtual Console... then again, neither is EarthBound.

Sweet William fucked around with this message at 10:48 on Apr 10, 2012

Jetpack Postman
Jun 30, 2011

ImpAtom posted:

Prince of Persia I liked, for Kid Kool it just seemed painful. All Arino could do if he didn't make it in time was reset. :smith:

Yeah, I felt the same way about it. I'm all about the intricate plans and breakdowns that Arino and Co. come up with to beat a time crunch, but the requirements for Kid Kool were just way too strict. It almost made me wish that breaking out the Game Genie was an option for them in this instance.

Mister Chief
Jun 6, 2011

Sweet William posted:

Satan.

Watch this.

Hakkesshu
Nov 4, 2009


It's a shame, because Demon's Crest is arguably one of the best adventure/platformers on the SNES. Only the password system holds it back, really (though I'm sure that'll be fun if they end up doing it on GCCX).

I've got my boxed copy :smug:

ImpAtom
May 24, 2007

Hakkesshu posted:

It's a shame, because Demon's Crest is arguably one of the best adventure/platformers on the SNES. Only the password system holds it back, really (though I'm sure that'll be fun if they end up doing it on GCCX).

I've got my boxed copy :smug:

I wholeheartedly love every game starring "Firebrand." I'd say "I wish Capcom would bring those back" but since they're doing things like getting the makers of Legendary: The Box to make the new Lost Planet... well. I somehow suspect it wouldn't live up to my memory.

Bocc Kob
Oct 26, 2010

Tempura Wizard posted:

Also, what's with these huge (as in the number of members) pop groups?
I understand you're trying to catch as much of a market share with different "types" of girls or whatnot, but after a certain number of members it seems like you'd reach a rate of diminishing returns. The whole pop idol thing is kind of terrifying and fascinating, and I say that as a pretty big Perfume fan.

Because then they can do stuff like this.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CjgDfXMh2dw

:gonk:

Hirayuki
Mar 28, 2010


GidgetNomates posted:

If anyone is interested, I made some GCCX gifs the last few days.
These are great; thanks! It reminds me that Arino's comment about the number of women he's "hugged" was actually translated on the tame side. The verb "daku" can mean "hug" or "embrace", it's true, but here it definitely means what you think it means. Apparently the number of people Arino has slept with is legendary (if Arino is to be believed, of course).

Tempura Wizard
Sep 15, 2006

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spending
spending all my time

Sweet William posted:

Or this.

It has now become completely worth it creating that first OP so many years ago. :unsmith:

the best worst derail

Crotch Bat
Dec 6, 2003

Much like with everything else in life, the Euros seem to have more sense on how to do things in a fun atmosphere without sucking the soul out of the event.

Hirayuki posted:

These are great; thanks! It reminds me that Arino's comment about the number of women he's "hugged" was actually translated on the tame side. The verb "daku" can mean "hug" or "embrace", it's true, but here it definitely means what you think it means. Apparently the number of people Arino has slept with is legendary (if Arino is to be believed, of course).

Haha, that's fantastic. Of course Arino would be the guy telling tall tales about his sexual conquests.

Keyboard Kid
Sep 12, 2006

If you stay here too long, you'll end up frying your brain. Yes, you will. No, you will...not. Yesno, you will won't.

Hakkesshu posted:

The thing about Super GnG is that the first stage is probably the hardest in the entire game. Mainly because you aren't used to how the controls and randomly spawning enemies can gently caress you over. If you can get past it, the rest of the game really isn't that difficult.

To be honest Super GnG/Choumakaimura isn't that difficult. Unlike GnG 1/Makaimura it presents a legitimate challenge, has smooth mechanics, and is very very fun. The only thing that's really tricky is figuring out jump distances. Checkpoints are kind of rough in the game though (example: stage 2 autoscroller is really long). Stage 4 is probably the hardest part of the game, and even then, it's not that bad. The bosses are also very, very easy, and if you pick up (and keep) upgraded armor it's a breeze.

I think most people's problem with the game is that they try to rush through difficult parts, when really you can play through it quite slow.

Sandweed
Sep 7, 2006

All your friends are me.

Bocc Kob posted:

Because then they can do stuff like this.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CjgDfXMh2dw

:gonk:

And there is also this:

http://vigilantcitizen.com/latestnews/japans-newest-popstar-outed-as-cgi-creation/

Hakkesshu
Nov 4, 2009


Keyboard Kid posted:

To be honest Super GnG/Choumakaimura isn't that difficult. Unlike GnG 1/Makaimura it presents a legitimate challenge, has smooth mechanics, and is very very fun. The only thing that's really tricky is figuring out jump distances. Checkpoints are kind of rough in the game though (example: stage 2 autoscroller is really long). Stage 4 is probably the hardest part of the game, and even then, it's not that bad. The bosses are also very, very easy, and if you pick up (and keep) upgraded armor it's a breeze.

I think most people's problem with the game is that they try to rush through difficult parts, when really you can play through it quite slow.

Yeah, I honestly haven't played much of the other GnG games, since I love the graphics/sound in the SNES version so much, but that's what I figured. The original looks hellish to play through legitimately.

Erwin Tuwonwon
Oct 30, 2011

And this: Probably not very work safe.

BACK on topic, really excited for the upcoming Ghouls/Ghosts episodes. I fell in love with that series in the last few years, and the Ghosts 'n Goblins episode was one of my favourites from the early season.

hexwren
Feb 27, 2008


Erwin Tuwonwon posted:

And this: Probably not very work safe.

Sweet screaming gently caress. Why is this poo poo what people talk about and not real Japanese bands like Boris or Polysics or YMO or Boredoms or Potshot etc etc etc

Tempura Wizard
Sep 15, 2006

spending all
spending
spending all my time

Allen Wren posted:

Sweet screaming gently caress. Why is this poo poo what people talk about and not real Japanese bands like Boris or Polysics or YMO or Boredoms or Potshot etc etc etc
We talked about Polysics earlier in the thread, actually. :eng101: zari-gani made fanart, too.

I'd say that most people know there are good Japanese acts as well. The two aren't mutually exclusive. I'm done contributing to this derail, because somebody already posted the Best Thing.

vvv No, they're pretty bad. vvv

Tempura Wizard fucked around with this message at 23:26 on Apr 11, 2012

Erwin Tuwonwon
Oct 30, 2011

Allen Wren posted:

Sweet screaming gently caress. Why is this poo poo what people talk about and not real Japanese bands like Boris or Polysics or YMO or Boredoms or Potshot etc etc etc

Because YMO are just too awesome to even consider. And hey, Male AD Takahashi likes em, so they can't be THAT bad. Just think of them like a high pitched, less melodic Polyphonic Spree! Or maybe I'm being biased for the sake of the ADs. Every bit I see of M-T is better and better. (like my opinion on all the ADs)

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sigher
Apr 22, 2008

My guiding Moonlight...



Allen Wren posted:

Sweet screaming gently caress. Why is this poo poo what people talk about and not real Japanese bands like Boris or Polysics or YMO or Boredoms or Potshot etc etc etc

Because people aren't listening to AKB48 for the music. Actually, I have a friend on Facebook who does, but she's a complete sperg for the band and all things Japanese.

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