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Auron
Jan 10, 2002
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VerySolidSnake posted:

I was having problems with LiquidSmooth and lag, and ended up switching the governor (under Liquid Settings -> Performance) from interativex to ondemand. Everything has been as smooth.... as liquid... since

Are you running a stock kernel or some other kernel? Any GPS lock troubles?

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Isaac Asimov
Oct 22, 2004

Phrost bought me this custom title even though he doesn't know me, to get rid of the old one (lol gay) out of respect for my namesake. Thanks, Phr

Doghouse posted:

Isn't this for an Encore, and not for the NC? Am I missing something?

Is there an ICS mod out for the NC that is comparable to the current CM7 build in terms of stability?
The NC is aka the Encore. That's what CM roms say anyway.

I am looking to switch to cm9 on my nc also.

Tunga
May 7, 2004

Grimey Drawer

Auron posted:

Are you running a stock kernel or some other kernel? Any GPS lock troubles?
GPS is broken, there is a flashable fix for it buried somewhere in the XDA thread which supposedly works.

verbal enema
May 23, 2009

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Should I not have a Market app on my new ROM? I was going to download ROM manager again so I can flash the GAPPS but uhhh it is kinda of hard when I have no market.

I mean I could just search for the apk but I don't want to snag a cracked version or something.

quick edit: I said gently caress it and just googled for the APK and got it there.

quick edit part 2 the return of quick edit: I also did find how to fix the lock screen bug. I had to turn of screen on/off animations. Now I just have to locate the camera fix and kablammy whammy I'm golden.

verbal enema fucked around with this message at 23:13 on Apr 10, 2012

IOwnCalculus
Apr 2, 2003





Stunt Rock posted:

It is somewhat depressing how lovely most of the EVO 3D roms are given how (generally) solid the phone is.

The development community is just loving awful. I don't care about the 3D, I don't care about 4G (I live in Phoenix where Sprint doesn't have poo poo for 4G or even 3G), I really just wanted a faster, bigger-screen, dual-core version of my Evo 4G with CM7. :sigh:

verbal enema
May 23, 2009

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Everytime I go to flash Google Apps it takes my 3G off? I have to enable my 3G by checking yes for international data roaming but that turns off if I flash the GAPPS zip. For whatever reason my phone will not connect to my wifi so I can't ever get this set up!

Or can I just open it again after I enable 3G? I'm so lost I keep running into these doofy hurdles one after another. I need a new phone so this process doesn't take loving two and a half days

e: everytime I flash something am I supposed to have to re install ROM Manager?

verbal enema fucked around with this message at 00:12 on Apr 11, 2012

SLOSifl
Aug 10, 2002


I just switched back to MIUI from Fresh on my 3D, and it's still just great. I recommend giving it a try.

edit: Make a nandroid backup, wipe everything, flash MIUI. If you don't like it you can restore your backup and be back to normal in minutes.

Tunga
May 7, 2004

Grimey Drawer
I saw you got answers to these but to hopefully add some more detail...

MeinGott posted:

1.) What the heck is a Nandroid back up. I looked around google for a general "OK this is what this does" but I already have ClockWork do I need this too?
The backup option in ClockwordMod (CWM) is a nandroid, they are the same thing, when someone says to take a nandroid, they mean that. It's a complete backup of your ROM, apps, data, the total current state of your phone.

MeinGott posted:

2.) I went dumb and accidently re reformatted my SD card and now I don't have my backup from Titanium :supaburn: is this bad?
3.) I have the contents that were on my SD card copied to my computer. Can I just drop these back onto my SD card re-download the app and not have to worry about setting etc etc?
As long as you have a copy of it, you are fine, you can just copy it back. Most notably, this works for Titanium. Just copy the Titanium folder back onto your SD card, install it from the market Play Store, and you can restore all your apps and data. Remember not to restore system apps (the red ones) if you changed ROMs.

The same applies for nandroids if you need to restore, just put the clockworkmod folder back on your SD.

MeinGott posted:

Should I not have a Market app on my new ROM? I was going to download ROM manager again so I can flash the GAPPS but uhhh it is kinda of hard when I have no market.

MeinGott posted:

e: everytime I flash something am I supposed to have to re install ROM Manager?
GApps includes Market so you can just flash that to get it on your ROM. You don't need ROM Manager to do that, just copy the GApps ZIP to your SD card, reboot into recovery, (take a nandroid if you don't have one,) select "install zip from sd card" or the option similarly named to that, find the zip, confirm, wait, select to reboot, done.

Tunga fucked around with this message at 00:27 on Apr 11, 2012

woodhead
Jan 29, 2008
try harder next time.

MeinGott posted:

Everytime I go to flash Google Apps it takes my 3G off? I have to enable my 3G by checking yes for international data roaming but that turns off if I flash the GAPPS zip. For whatever reason my phone will not connect to my wifi so I can't ever get this set up!

Or can I just open it again after I enable 3G? I'm so lost I keep running into these doofy hurdles one after another. I need a new phone so this process doesn't take loving two and a half days

e: everytime I flash something am I supposed to have to re install ROM Manager?

I'm not sure how up to speed you are on all this stuff, but ROM Manager is a completely optional step to flashing things. It makes it easier, but if you have the zip on your phone then you can simply reboot into recovery and install zip from there. The only thing you might require ROM Manager for is flashing the recovery, and once that is done once you should be good to go no matter how many times you flash.

Kynetx
Jan 8, 2003


Full of ignorant tribalism. Kinda sad.

Porkchop Express posted:

I was getting my computer set up to be able to root my HTC Amaze when it arrives, but I hit a snag almost immediately. When I tried to install the HTC drivers (Win XP), nothing at all happens. It opens, and for a split second there is a entry for it under the processes tab, and then it closes and never installs. Anyone else have this problem?

Don't get too excited unless nothing happens when you finally plug your phone in.

b0nes
Sep 11, 2001
stupid question: I heard that if you have a rooted phone you have less security than a non rooted phone. Can you unroot a phone flashed with a different rom?

verbal enema
May 23, 2009

onlymarfans.com
Yeah this stuff is super new to me so that's why I was asking.

All I have left to do is fix my camera and I'm golden :)

ClassActionFursuit
Mar 15, 2006

b0nes posted:

stupid question: I heard that if you have a rooted phone you have less security than a non rooted phone. Can you unroot a phone flashed with a different rom?
It seems to me the opposite is true. If you have a non-rooted phone and you acquire malware that can run an exploit to gain root privileges you'd never be aware but if you install the same thing on a rooted device you'd get a Superuser prompt when it tried to run restricted operations. Obviously though that would assume that you know what you're installing and running on your rooted device.

As for your question, OTA Rootkeeper can unroot devices easily and of course CM9 will have root permissions disabled by default and toggleable in the Settings.

Napolean Bonerfarts
Dec 11, 2003

by Pragmatica

Porkchop Express posted:

I was getting my computer set up to be able to root my HTC Amaze when it arrives, but I hit a snag almost immediately. When I tried to install the HTC drivers (Win XP), nothing at all happens. It opens, and for a split second there is a entry for it under the processes tab, and then it closes and never installs. Anyone else have this problem?

How did you get the drivers for your phone? Did you install HTC Sync?

clockworkjoe
May 31, 2000

Rolled a 1 on the random encounter table, didn't you?
I have an Atrix 2 that I would like to unlock so I can switch the sim card out while I am in China. What's the best approach I have for that?

Kynetx
Jan 8, 2003


Full of ignorant tribalism. Kinda sad.

LastInLine posted:

It seems to me the opposite is true. If you have a non-rooted phone and you acquire malware that can run an exploit to gain root privileges you'd never be aware but if you install the same thing on a rooted device you'd get a Superuser prompt when it tried to run restricted operations. Obviously though that would assume that you know what you're installing and running on your rooted device..

Not quite. Without superuser, the malware couldn't execute, full stop.

butt dickus
Jul 7, 2007

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Kynetx posted:

Not quite. Without superuser, the malware couldn't execute, full stop.

There's malware that uses the same exploits that rooting methods do.

ClassActionFursuit
Mar 15, 2006

Kynetx posted:

Not quite. Without superuser, the malware couldn't execute, full stop.
What exactly is preventing said hypothetical malware from including its own superuser that silently grants itself access? Obviously if root exploits exist then packaging the binary to do this would be trivial.

The fact is that it's not that big a deal either way. It's pretty easy to avoid malware if you have the faintest concern for what you're doing and it seems like those people prone to loving things up manage to do so regardless of impediments placed to stop them.

Auron
Jan 10, 2002
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I flashed liquidsmooth rom and franco kernel (r121) last night on my Galaxy Nexus, threw the phone on the charger before going to bed, and holy poo poo is battery life amazing at idle now. My phone is sitting at 86% battery after 5 hours off the charger, about 30 minutes of data usage on wifi, and a 5 minute phone call. Can't wait to see what it can do with the official extended battery.

yamdankee
Jan 23, 2005

~anderoid fragmentation~
Interesting, my battery just hit 5 hours off charger and I'm at 88% with similar usage. I'm on liquid but with the leankernel. Probably not enough information, but it seems like liquid may actually be doing the lion's share of energy saving rather than the kernel? I kind of assumed the kernel would be making the bigger difference. Does franco kernel do automatic underclock/volting, too?

butt dickus
Jul 7, 2007

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yamdankee posted:

Interesting, my battery just hit 5 hours off charger and I'm at 88% with similar usage. I'm on liquid but with the leankernel. Probably not enough information, but it seems like liquid may actually be doing the lion's share of energy saving rather than the kernel? I kind of assumed the kernel would be making the bigger difference. Does franco kernel do automatic underclock/volting, too?

Don't you also leave LTE off since your area doesn't have it?

Auron
Jan 10, 2002
<img alt="" border="0" src="https://fi.somethingawful.com/customtitles/title-auron.jpg"/><br/>Drunken Robot Rage

yamdankee posted:

Interesting, my battery just hit 5 hours off charger and I'm at 88% with similar usage. I'm on liquid but with the leankernel. Probably not enough information, but it seems like liquid may actually be doing the lion's share of energy saving rather than the kernel? I kind of assumed the kernel would be making the bigger difference. Does franco kernel do automatic underclock/volting, too?

Just browsing through the description/features of both kernels real quick it did seem like they are pretty similar for power savings. I was under the assumption the kernel was the biggest part of power savings, as a lot of people running the stock Liquid kernel had a little bit better battery life, but not quite as substantial as running a different kernel.

Tomorrow I'm going to run it without wifi and just 4G to see how it fairs.

Also, in your battery settings does it show your phone awake all the time like mine? I'm wondering if its something to do with the way the kernels work...obviously its not really awake all the time because my battery would most likely either be dead or very drained.

Auron fucked around with this message at 18:10 on Apr 11, 2012

yamdankee
Jan 23, 2005

~anderoid fragmentation~

Doctor rear end in a top hat posted:

Don't you also leave LTE off since your area doesn't have it?

Auron: You said you were using WiFi, are/were you using 4G, too?

The MUMPSorceress
Jan 6, 2012


^SHTPSTS

Gary’s Answer
Probably a dumb question, but what is a kernel? I'm still not super-happy with the battery life and performance on my G2, and if switching kernels can help I'd like to check it out. I'm currently running CM7.2, but it's laggy when first starting up an app, or when switching apps, and sometimes it seems to just stay sluggish if I don't reboot it.

Auron
Jan 10, 2002
<img alt="" border="0" src="https://fi.somethingawful.com/customtitles/title-auron.jpg"/><br/>Drunken Robot Rage

yamdankee posted:

Auron: You said you were using WiFi, are/were you using 4G, too?

I haven't manually turned the 4G connection off, but I'm just using wifi. Tomorrow I'm going to just use 4G. Before I was having at least 10-15% battery drain every hour even without use on wifi.

yamdankee
Jan 23, 2005

~anderoid fragmentation~
Edit: ^^^ Yeah, I didn't think you were using 4G since you mentioned WiFI, that's why I said we had similar usage. But, Doctor rear end in a top hat, to answer your question yes I have 4G switched off most of the time because I'm either at home where I don't really get coverage, or I just don't need to use up some of my battery for faster data. Generally I will switch 4G on when I know I'm in a 4G area and I am about to do some browsing/downloading. I wish 4G could just be left on, but for now I'm kind of treating it like a 3G speed boost, on temporarily when I know I'm going to need the speeds, but off to conserve battery most of the time.

The kernel manages/communicates everything between hardware and software, basically the backbone of the OS. For example things as simple as when you play a word in WordFeud, the kernel handles the data between the input you provide in the app and the necessary hardware that responds like the digitizer, CPU, radio, etc. All the way up to more complicated things such as controlling the voltage and clock speed of the CPU. So you can begin to see how the opportunity is there for a kernel to be written to perform in an efficient and speedy way, or inefficiently bogging the system down and draining battery life.

I looked around for kernels for the G2 and I've gotta say it's pretty slim pickins. There seems to be plenty of ROMs to choose from, but no kernels that I see would I actually flash.

yamdankee fucked around with this message at 19:13 on Apr 11, 2012

MC Hawking
Apr 27, 2004

by VideoGames
Fun Shoe

LeftistMuslimObama posted:

Probably a dumb question, but what is a kernel?




If you're on 7.2 you should be able to enable do a mild overclock which should help your speed issues. Install OC/UV Beater 2 or SetCPU off the market. Set screen off profile to conservative 250mhz min / 800mhz max. Screen on profile to OnDemand, 250mhz min / 1.2 or 1.3 ghz max. Save profiles, perma apply.

Congratulations, you've just overclocked your phone and hopefully increased your battery life. Stock Cyanogen kernels are pretty decent for power savings, they just need some tweaking most of the time. For Sense UI roms, Unity V10 kernel is the only way to go.

Incidentally, this reminds me that someone was having some serious GPS problems on Cyanogen 7.1 Stable then that fixed itself jumping up to 7.2RC1. Well, they're in luck since there is now a AGPS Patcher which should fix those problems on older Cyanogen builds. This may come in handy if you find yourself needing to roll back due to stability issues with RC1.

If you're still having lag issues, you may want to look into V6 Supercharger. I don't know much about how it works, or implementation but from what I've heard it tends to help some people having lag issues. I'd advise you to read VERY thoroughly before implementing any changes with that utility.

MC Hawking fucked around with this message at 21:31 on Apr 11, 2012

Kynetx
Jan 8, 2003


Full of ignorant tribalism. Kinda sad.

LastInLine posted:

What exactly is preventing said hypothetical malware from including its own superuser that silently grants itself access? Obviously if root exploits exist then packaging the binary to do this would be trivial.

Gaining write access to system files isn't that easy. It's not XP.

Surprise T Rex
Apr 9, 2008

Dinosaur Gum
So I'm using Cyanogen 7.2 on a Nexus S... and after a mild day of use (pretty much just texting) it just decided to start constantly bootlooping. I've taken the battery out and put it back in to see if that would help, but no dice. I also let it run itself out of charge, but again, nothing.

I haven't changed anything whatsoever in terms of the ROM, so I have no idea what's caused it, any idea on where to start the debug process? I'd rather not have to restore.

b0nes
Sep 11, 2001
Why would overclocking make better battery life.

MC Hawking
Apr 27, 2004

by VideoGames
Fun Shoe
It's actually the proper settings for a screen off profile that gets you your battery savings. The OC itself doesn't really help so much but it will assist in webpage loading and app launching. Personally I find that it's actually the data connection (on the G2 specifically) that pulls the most battery. I can have a decent overclock on wifi and get a few hours more life than on data.

What it really boils down to is the G2 has a poor battery. You can hack at the clockspeed, undervolt it, overvolt it, and a ton of profiles but what the base fact is you're dealing with a pretty small battery. Nothing really you can do about that other than replacing it or carry a second.

Auron
Jan 10, 2002
<img alt="" border="0" src="https://fi.somethingawful.com/customtitles/title-auron.jpg"/><br/>Drunken Robot Rage

So here's my results today with LiquidSmooth and franco kernel. As you can see in the first image, I had a lot of awake time due to a google backup wakelock bug that you can see I eventually fixed. I did notice even less battery drain when that was solved, but still very impressive even with that wake lock.




Auron fucked around with this message at 03:22 on Apr 12, 2012

IRQ
Sep 9, 2001

SUCK A DICK, DUMBSHITS!

b0nes posted:

stupid question: I heard that if you have a rooted phone you have less security than a non rooted phone. Can you unroot a phone flashed with a different rom?

It is in theory if you just install whatever the hell and let it have root access. Rooting puts more responsibility on you to not do stupid things. This is why it's a thing you have to do outside the normal operation of your phone.

Think of it as running your computer as admin as opposed to an idiot-proof restricted account, kind of.

wolrah
May 8, 2006
what?

Kynetx posted:

Gaining write access to system files isn't that easy. It's not XP.

This is not hypothetical, there is malware in the wild which includes the Gingerbreak exploit.

http://threatpost.com/en_us/blogs/gingermaster-malware-seen-using-root-exploit-android-gingerbread-081811

http://threatpost.com/en_us/blogs/new-android-malware-variant-can-remotely-root-phone-040412

This means it can root your device on its own if it's vulnerable to Gingerbreak. I'm not really familiar with this one, but from what I've read it works on many/most devices running earlier 2.3 variants (2.3.3 is the latest I've seen confirmed) and possibly 2.2 as well.

If you're on an older phone which isn't getting updates and has a vulnerable version of Android, rooting is the only way you can even possibly secure it from these attacks.

Having a properly rooted phone only raises the security risk if you're the type to just click "OK". Superuser by default prompts for every request for root privileges so if you don't OK it, it doesn't get root.


edit: This is also one of the biggest arguments for phones with user-unlockable bootloaders. If the legitimate users who just want root or customizations can do so easily without exploiting the system, there won't be such an incentive to hide discovered exploits from Google and the OEMs until they're "needed" nor will there be nearly as much demand for brain-dead easy autoroot packages which can be easily bundled up by malware authors.

wolrah fucked around with this message at 05:23 on Apr 12, 2012

ClassActionFursuit
Mar 15, 2006

wolrah posted:

This is not hypothetical, there is malware in the wild which includes the Gingerbreak exploit.

http://threatpost.com/en_us/blogs/gingermaster-malware-seen-using-root-exploit-android-gingerbread-081811

http://threatpost.com/en_us/blogs/new-android-malware-variant-can-remotely-root-phone-040412

This means it can root your device on its own if it's vulnerable to Gingerbreak. I'm not really familiar with this one, but from what I've read it works on many/most devices running earlier 2.3 variants (2.3.3 is the latest I've seen confirmed) and possibly 2.2 as well.

If you're on an older phone which isn't getting updates and has a vulnerable version of Android, rooting is the only way you can even possibly secure it from these attacks.

Having a properly rooted phone only raises the security risk if you're the type to just click "OK". Superuser by default prompts for every request for root privileges so if you don't OK it, it doesn't get root.


edit: This is also one of the biggest arguments for phones with user-unlockable bootloaders. If the legitimate users who just want root or customizations can do so easily without exploiting the system, there won't be such an incentive to hide discovered exploits from Google and the OEMs until they're "needed" nor will there be nearly as much demand for brain-dead easy autoroot packages which can be easily bundled up by malware authors.
This is all exactly right. I had thought it would be evident that if you can gain root via an exploit that malware could do the same thing, but I guess I was wrong.

FAUXTON
Jun 2, 2005

spero che tu stia bene

LastInLine posted:

This is all exactly right. I had thought it would be evident that if you can gain root via an exploit that malware could do the same thing, but I guess I was wrong.

This is why manufacturer customizations are the drat devil. Everything has to be tested and retested against their horseshit skins, and as a result, you've got people running around out there vulnerable to having stuff like their payment info or identity stolen.

e: No, this isn't an issue for the people who root (I would venture to say that a good portion of rooters/flashers are people who just want the latest and greatest on their phones, thus having the latest and greatest security) but the issue is the people that don't. iPhone is as susceptible if not more (uh yeah it is I work in the AML field with my employer being a well-known payment processor) so it isn't like they can just flock there.

FAUXTON fucked around with this message at 11:54 on Apr 12, 2012

big mean giraffe
Dec 13, 2003

Eat Shit and Die

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Kynetx posted:

Gaining write access to system files isn't that easy. It's not XP.

Except there are tons of root exploits that people use to gain root access to their phones on purpose and malicious software could take advantage of these just the same.

*derp* beaten.

ClassActionFursuit
Mar 15, 2006

The Entire Universe posted:

This is why manufacturer customizations are the drat devil. Everything has to be tested and retested against their horseshit skins, and as a result, you've got people running around out there vulnerable to having stuff like their payment info or identity stolen.

e: No, this isn't an issue for the people who root (I would venture to say that a good portion of rooters/flashers are people who just want the latest and greatest on their phones, thus having the latest and greatest security) but the issue is the people that don't. iPhone is as susceptible if not more (uh yeah it is I work in the AML field with my employer being a well-known payment processor) so it isn't like they can just flock there.
Skins or no, manufacturers give exactly zero fucks about having their phones running the latest software. As soon as you buy their phone, they look at it as having no more responsibility to you because they're much more interested in selling you their next phone than keeping your old one.

If you want to be current in software then your only option is to buy devices by manufacturers that have a vested interest in keeping you up to date. Those options are the Nexuses and the iPhone simply because both Google and Apple have a stake in the ecosystem and by extension that means keeping you on the latest software. It's nice that there are open-source solutions to this for other devices in the Android world but that's no guarantee of anything, particularly with the proliferation of chipsets and their accompanying proprietary drivers that do nothing but encourage hacked, broken solutions because they still have to rely on official updates to utilize these chipsets.

In short the solution for the end user wanting current software and a healthy developer scene is quite easy: buy a Nexus or quit bitching about running Gingerbread in Q2 2012 (or in Q4, or in 2013). This isn't complicated.

sub supau
Aug 28, 2007

Sorry if this has already come up, but this is a long-rear end thread. Last time I looked, there was no way to root an HTC Wildfire - has this changed? Because there's all kinds of carrier-installed poo poo (for a carrier I'm not even with) installed on my phone and it's sucking up valuable portions of the pathetically small amount of space on there.

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Jul 7, 2007

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TetsuoTW posted:

Sorry if this has already come up, but this is a long-rear end thread. Last time I looked, there was no way to root an HTC Wildfire - has this changed? Because there's all kinds of carrier-installed poo poo (for a carrier I'm not even with) installed on my phone and it's sucking up valuable portions of the pathetically small amount of space on there.

The non-removable applications are installed to the system partition, so removing them won't get you any more space for other applications.

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