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newreply.php posted:lets just talk about languages that make the most money for ppl knowing them
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Apr 30, 2012 20:28
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Shaggar posted:all man style, hard tabs only. that ones not really much of a discussion i shorten this to "hard man style"
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Apr 30, 2012 20:57
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why don't people like pascal?
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Apr 30, 2012 21:08
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Crankit posted:why don't people like pascal? it's like athousand years old and even then it was for weirdos
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Apr 30, 2012 21:09
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ahhh spiders posted:it's like athousand years old and even then it was for weirdos and being a "pascal weenie" isn't a thing like being a "lisp weenie" is
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Apr 30, 2012 21:10
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in the late 90s I used an objection pascal it was written by dolph lundgren, so i don't think the programmers are weenies
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Apr 30, 2012 21:15
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Gazpacho posted:lol, "should" in one hand and write imperative code in the other and tell me which fills up the fastest it's you, you're the idiots.
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Apr 30, 2012 21:28
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Crankit posted:why don't people like pascal? because niklaus wirth has never designed anything good ever Sweevo fucked around with this message at 21:42 on Apr 30, 2012 |
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Apr 30, 2012 21:32
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i remember the mid 90s though, when the only code on the internet was turbo pascal graphics code. some many rotating fire cubes...
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Apr 30, 2012 21:34
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i have a real interview for a real actual job tomorrow and i could not be more nervous its frustrating because i'm a C guy mainly i mean i can code a complex C program in my sleep without looking at a single reference and i can do C# and java too but i don't know them nearly as well and the job posting doesn't give a clue what i'd actually be using it has the usual C/C++/C#/Java/Perl/JavaScript/SQL/XML/HTML mumblemess of every programming language that has does or ever will exist and is it too much to ask that you let me know ahead of time what it is you actually epxect me to know
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Apr 30, 2012 21:42
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also lol at java being a usable finished product
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Apr 30, 2012 21:47
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HORATIO HORNBLOWER posted:i have a real interview for a real actual job tomorrow and i could not be more nervous if they wanted actual libraries and "technologies" within those languages they would have specified
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Apr 30, 2012 21:49
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Fren posted:also lol at java being a usable finished product what are you actually trying to prove with this?
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Apr 30, 2012 21:50
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Fren posted:also lol at java being a usable finished product yeah java separates low demand features outside the core runtime+libraries in order to keep unfinished or uncommon crud out of the core. then, using the jcp, features that are determined to be stable and highly in demand may make it into the core runtime/library distribution. this allows new standards and features for java to be developed in a community oriented fashion while maintaining core stability. unlike python or earlang where unfinished crud is the core.
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Apr 30, 2012 21:55
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HORATIO HORNBLOWER posted:i have a real interview for a real actual job tomorrow and i could not be more nervous if it's a place you want to work for, they'll ask you about problem-solving and how you would do something from a high level if it's a place you don't want to work for they'll ask dumb api trivia poo poo
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Apr 30, 2012 21:58
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BonzoESC posted:if it's a place you want to work for, they'll ask you about problem-solving and how you would do something from a high level im 28 years old with a wife two kids and a mortgage, i have an english degree that put me $10,000 in debt and never got me a job, and a CS degree that cost me another $5000 to teach me virtually nothing i didn't already know and i have no paid work experience in the field "place i want to work for" is literally defined as any place willing to pay me $45,000 or more regardless of how crappy the work is sorry i didn't meanto interrupt im just having a miniature freakout
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Apr 30, 2012 22:07
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epic meltdown
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Apr 30, 2012 22:22
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HORATIO HORNBLOWER posted:"place i want to work for" is literally defined as any place willing to pay me $45,000 or more regardless of how crappy the work is 
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Apr 30, 2012 22:28
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HORATIO HORNBLOWER posted:im 28 years old with a wife two kids and a mortgage, i have an english degree that put me $10,000 in debt and never got me a job, and a CS degree that cost me another $5000 to teach me virtually nothing i didn't already know and i have no paid work experience in the field go in that interview and show off your mad C skills
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Apr 30, 2012 22:28
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Janin posted:man, don't worry, if 45k is your goal then you can get there by fogging a mirror.
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Apr 30, 2012 22:36
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destroy their balls
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Apr 30, 2012 22:36
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HORATIO HORNBLOWER posted:im 28 years old with a wife two kids and a mortgage, i have an english degree that put me $10,000 in debt and never got me a job, and a CS degree that cost me another $5000 to teach me virtually nothing i didn't already know and i have no paid work experience in the field man you can make 45k just by being not retarded with excel/access
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Apr 30, 2012 22:40
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my first job out of college and its six figures writing python for a fortune 100 company. somehow i managed to get completely out of my depth. want to quit and never program again.
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Apr 30, 2012 22:42
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trex eaterofcadrs posted:man you can make 45k just by being not retarded with excel/access also you guys live in very different job markets 
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Apr 30, 2012 22:44
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the company i worked for out of college moved me into their job market
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Apr 30, 2012 22:45
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HORATIO HORNBLOWER posted:a CS degree that cost me another $5000 to teach me virtually nothing i didn't already know If your CS degree only covered stuff you already knew, you either were a very motivated independent learner or you enrolled in a lovely CS program I hacked together a terrible website in PHP when I was in high school, but I didn't know a drat thing about data structures, dynamic programming, graph algorithms, linear algebra, database theory, greedy algorithms (i.e. when they work), parsing, compiler optimizations, techniques for concurrent programming (semaphors, monitors, etc.), NP-complete reductions, machine learning, statistics, information theory, etc. etc. etc. Whether any of this is useful in a lot of developer jobs is pretty questionable, but I'm always comfused when people say they didn't learn anything in the process of getting a CS degree Lysidas fucked around with this message at 22:55 on Apr 30, 2012 |
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Apr 30, 2012 22:52
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Shaggar posted:unlike python or earlang where unfinished crud is the core. oh come on, in python, unfinished crud is only 50% of the std lib
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Apr 30, 2012 22:57
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also $5000 for a university degree seems cheap, are you in europe or somewhere that actually thinks people should be educated
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Apr 30, 2012 22:57
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ahhh spiders posted:are you in europe or somewhere that actually thinks people should be educated thats an exclusive or
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Apr 30, 2012 22:58
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im bad at writing things, and also thinkng and living. im dead. bye
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Apr 30, 2012 23:02
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tef posted:oh come on, in python, unfinished crud is only 50% of the std lib I usually forget the std lib is even there anyway.
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Apr 30, 2012 23:03
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ahhh spiders posted:it's like athousand years old and even then it was for weirdos remember delphi?
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Apr 30, 2012 23:04
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i know a guy who wrote an aol program in it. biggest waste of time?
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Apr 30, 2012 23:06
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delphi, tcl, pascal, a trio of weirdo languages for people who write software in the woods
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Apr 30, 2012 23:06
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ahhh spiders posted:delphi, tcl, pascal, a trio of weirdo languages for people who write software in the woods canadians
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Apr 30, 2012 23:09
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ahhh spiders posted:the company i worked for out of college moved me into their job market
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Apr 30, 2012 23:11
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ahhh spiders posted:also $5000 for a university degree seems cheap, are you in europe or somewhere that actually thinks people should be educated and while yes I learned plenty from cormen's book I learned practically nothing from the teacher "teaching" it but the general worthlessness of cs programs is a whole other thing
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Apr 30, 2012 23:20
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HORATIO HORNBLOWER posted:$5000 isn't what the degree cost, it's the amount of debt i incurred to get it the best way to learn is really just by doing things. some books really are pretty good (Kochan is one writer who I think is actually very good), but when you can actually work on stuff and make it work is what helps most. it's even better when you have colleagues who can help you, such as in a work environment, but unfortunately a lot of companies need that 5-7 years' mastered experience with iOS, or the 20 years of Java.
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Apr 30, 2012 23:24
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let sall listen to sulk
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Apr 30, 2012 23:48
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going to school for computers was literally, sincerely, unambiguously the worst decision of my life
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