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Diarrhea Elemental
Apr 2, 2012

Am I correct in my assumption, you fish-faced enemy of the people?

DEVILDOGOOORAH posted:

If a loving Recruiter can't use them I'd be less surprised if Aliens flew down to earth tomorrow and cured all disease and suffering on earth than if you were allowed to wear anything other than the ones the let you buy at AAFES at reception, let alone toe shoes.

I was asking because while I've seen the Vibrams thing on paper, the only thing I've heard about single toe-box minimalist shoes being banned was from this one recruiter.

quote:

2. THERE ARE A VARIETY OF MINIMALIST RUNNING SHOES AVAILABLE FOR PURCHASE AND WEAR. EFFECTIVE IMMEDIATELY, ONLY THOSE SHOES THAT ACCOMMODATE ALL FIVE TOES IN ONE COMPARTMENT ARE AUTHORIZED FOR WEAR. THOSE SHOES THAT FEATURE FIVE SEPARATE, INDIVIDUAL COMPARTMENTS FOR THE TOES, DETRACT FROM A PROFESSIONAL MILITARY IMAGE AND ARE PROHIBITED FOR WEAR WITH THE IPFU OR WHEN CONDUCTING PHYSICAL TRAINING IN MILITARY FORMATION. THIS CHANGE WILL BE REFLECTED IN THE NEXT UPDATE OF AR 670-1.

That reads like it specifically allows shoes like the NB Minimus, Saucony's minimalist offerings... I think you can see where the confusion is coming from.

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DEVILDOGOOORAH
Aug 2, 2010

~Animu fan~
Those are just shoes aren't they, I mean, all shoes contain your toes in a single compartment... anyhow, MAYBE still at basic. Still wouldn't count on it and bear and mind you have to wear socks. Just an FYI the military is REALLY loving gay about poo poo like this.

3 DONG HORSE
May 22, 2008

I'd like to thank Satan for everything he's done for this organization

I was allowed to use my own shoes (Nike Frees) at basic, but I saw a dude get his Vibrams confiscated even before the ban. If you want to wear your own shoes, you're better off bringing a brand new pair that fits the criteria. They can't make you buy a pair from the PX, and if your shoes are in good enough condition, then you'll be able to get away with using them.

Diarrhea Elemental
Apr 2, 2012

Am I correct in my assumption, you fish-faced enemy of the people?

old dog child posted:

I was allowed to use my own shoes (Nike Frees) at basic, but I saw a dude get his Vibrams confiscated even before the ban. If you want to wear your own shoes, you're better off bringing a brand new pair that fits the criteria. They can't make you buy a pair from the PX, and if your shoes are in good enough condition, then you'll be able to get away with using them.

Sweet. The entire reason I was planning on buying a pair of NB Minimus was they're visually almost indistinguishable from normal shoes unlike my Vibrams, but at the same time they don't have dick for heel drop.

3 DONG HORSE
May 22, 2008

I'd like to thank Satan for everything he's done for this organization

Tysterisk posted:

Sweet. The entire reason I was planning on buying a pair of NB Minimus was they're visually almost indistinguishable from normal shoes unlike my Vibrams, but at the same time they don't have dick for heel drop.

Just make sure they're brand new because DS like to use any excuse to gently caress you over.

Diarrhea Elemental
Apr 2, 2012

Am I correct in my assumption, you fish-faced enemy of the people?

old dog child posted:

Just make sure they're brand new because DS like to use any excuse to gently caress you over.

Guess I'll throw them on just to test the fit and make sure they won't tear my loving feet apart then back in the box they go 'til September. I'm mentally preparing myself to be hosed with though, because if the recruit demographics that I've seen pan out, I'm going to be roughly half again as wide as almost everyone else. I take solace in the hope that I get to knock someone out with a pugil stick.

Oxford Comma
Jun 26, 2011
Oxford Comma: Hey guys I want a cool big dog to show off! I want it to be ~special~ like Thor but more couch potato-like because I got babbies in the house!
Everybody: GET A LAB.
Oxford Comma: OK! (gets a a pit/catahoula mix)

Tysterisk posted:

Guess I'll throw them on just to test the fit and make sure they won't tear my loving feet apart then back in the box they go 'til September. I'm mentally preparing myself to be hosed with though, because if the recruit demographics that I've seen pan out, I'm going to be roughly half again as wide as almost everyone else. I take solace in the hope that I get to knock someone out with a pugil stick.

You should also buy your own combat boots right now. The drill sergeant will be so impressed with your gung-ho attitude, he'll probably give you an extra stripe and let you sleep in!

Diarrhea Elemental
Apr 2, 2012

Am I correct in my assumption, you fish-faced enemy of the people?

Oxford Comma posted:

You should also buy your own combat boots right now. The drill sergeant will be so impressed with your gung-ho attitude, he'll probably give you an extra stripe and let you sleep in!

I've had people call me lazy, irresponsible, and accuse me of getting an almost child-like enjoyment out of being (relatively) big and strong. But gung-ho? What's so hooah about wanting to beat some dudes senseless with pugil sticks? More to the point, who the hell doesn't think that's pretty much the best day ever?

3 DONG HORSE
May 22, 2008

I'd like to thank Satan for everything he's done for this organization

^Because you'll probably only fight once and it's way lamer than you imagine.



Question about switching MOS...I only see "steps" online and nothing actually useful.

Is there a minimum years served in an MOS required before one is able to reclass? I'm Army National Guard. I'm not particularly interested in switching any time soon, but I want to know for the future (and whether I should start the process sooner rather than later) because having a higher security clearance in the future would be pretty sweet for my future job prospects when I finish school.

GreenMeat
Sep 2, 2002
slow mutant

old dog child posted:

^Because you'll probably only fight once and it's way lamer than you imagine.



Question about switching MOS...I only see "steps" online and nothing actually useful.

Is there a minimum years served in an MOS required before one is able to reclass? I'm Army National Guard. I'm not particularly interested in switching any time soon, but I want to know for the future (and whether I should start the process sooner rather than later) because having a higher security clearance in the future would be pretty sweet for my future job prospects when I finish school.

Go to HRC's MILPER Message site and search for BEAR. That should answer all your eligibility/availability questions for the high-demand MOSs. For everything else, search for the latest in- and out-call message. Print them both out, study, and then go talk to your retention NCO for more details.

Flying_Crab
Apr 12, 2002



Tysterisk posted:

I've had people call me lazy, irresponsible, and accuse me of getting an almost child-like enjoyment out of being (relatively) big and strong. But gung-ho? What's so hooah about wanting to beat some dudes senseless with pugil sticks? More to the point, who the hell doesn't think that's pretty much the best day ever?

Pugil sticks are lame and I got my rear end whooped by some crazy kid. gently caress it, they make bullets for a reason? Also people get the gently caress beat out of them. One dude in my BCT company literally had his finger nearly broken off (it was hanging by soft tissue) along with several other people with just regular plain broken fingers.

LEGIT WAR CRIMINAL
Aug 29, 2008

by XyloJW
I have 20/200 vision in each eye and you can't wear glasses for pugil sticks. Needless to say I lost.

Diarrhea Elemental
Apr 2, 2012

Am I correct in my assumption, you fish-faced enemy of the people?

Cryogenic Jesus posted:

you can't wear glasses for pugil sticks.

In that case, I may have slightly overestimated my chances. Aim at the little blob on top of the big blob and swing for the bleachers?

Flying_Crab
Apr 12, 2002



Cryogenic Jesus posted:

I have 20/200 vision in each eye and you can't wear glasses for pugil sticks. Needless to say I lost.

ya, same here.

McSpatula
Aug 5, 2006

Tysterisk posted:

In that case, I may have slightly overestimated my chances. Aim at the little blob on top of the big blob and swing for the bleachers?

Chances are, you might not even get to play with them these days, if they haven't been phased out in lieu of level 1 combatives, or if your company has more important training to attend to during your time there.

Maybe it's a benning OSUT thing, but none of the companies in my entire training battalion saw the pugil sticks, the bayonet course, and just barely had time to cycle through the obstacle course. This was in 2009/2010 though, so maybe things are different now - ymmv.

Instead, you could always just throw on some battle rattle and beat each other senseless in the barracks if you really want to rock your socks.

NAPALM STICKS TO
Jun 22, 2005

Hey GreenMeat, does the new 35Q MOS exist yet? Do they take reclasses?

GreenMeat
Sep 2, 2002
slow mutant

Our Gay Apparel posted:

Hey GreenMeat, does the new 35Q MOS exist yet? Do they take reclasses?

It will officially become an MOS and start taking reclassification applications on 1 October. Our plan is to make it available under the BEAR program if numbers support.

Register at the army professional forums and go here:

https://forums.army.mil/SECURE/CommunityBrowser.aspx?id=1379560&lang=en-US

and here:

https://forums.army.mil/SECURE/CommunityBrowser.aspx?id=1377822&lang=en-US

For lots of information on 35Q.

NAPALM STICKS TO
Jun 22, 2005

Awesome, thanks. No recruiters seem to know anything about it, as of yet. Hopefully there will be reserve slots available as well.

psydude
Apr 1, 2008

Our Gay Apparel posted:

Awesome, thanks. No recruiters seem to know anything about it, as of yet. Hopefully there will be reserve slots available as well.

What are you doing. Stop it.

NAPALM STICKS TO
Jun 22, 2005

psydude posted:

What are you doing. Stop it.

Moving over to cybersecurity after the end of this deployment, already have my Sec+, and the MOS would increase my pay that much more (they are already matching my current base salary). 35Q is the new cybersecurity MOS. If I can get one of those slots, I'd take it. I'm already in the IRR til 2015 anyway.

GreenMeat
Sep 2, 2002
slow mutant
There's nothing on tap for AR/NG yet; they want to get the AC stood up first.

AR/NG will come later, as well as warrant officers once they've got a sufficient pool of experienced enlisted to draw from.

35Q title is "Cryptologic Network Warfare Specialist". We shy away from 'cyber' because dem's muddy waters.

NAPALM STICKS TO
Jun 22, 2005

Ah, I see. Well so much for that idea then. Thanks for the info!

Flying_Crab
Apr 12, 2002



I've been tracking on that too. The whole arena of cyber security/intelligence seems like a wide open frontier. Something to look into in the future I suppose.

One can hope the Guard/Reserves has a role in it in due time.

psydude
Apr 1, 2008

DoktorLoken posted:

I've been tracking on that too. The whole arena of cyber security/intelligence seems like a wide open frontier. Something to look into in the future I suppose.

One can hope the Guard/Reserves has a role in it in due time.

Is the plan to create another warrant officer field for this, GreenMeat? Serious network security engineering goes pretty far above what I'd expect junior enlisted or junior NCOs to know.

Flying_Crab
Apr 12, 2002



Pretty much all of the intelligence disciplines have a corresponding WO MOS so I would imagine this would be no different.

If you go to the MI Space forums on AKO there is some more info.

GreenMeat
Sep 2, 2002
slow mutant

DoktorLoken posted:

If you go to the MI Space forums on AKO there is some more info.

Please do this. I posted the links a few replies back. If you have 35Q-specific questions, you can post there and Ron will answer when he gets back from Disneyland.

TheUnhorse
Oct 29, 2010

Smartest little intel sperg in the whole world
Hey GreenMeat do 35Qs get prepped for ASI E6? Just curious.

GreenMeat
Sep 2, 2002
slow mutant

TheUnhorse posted:

Hey GreenMeat do 35Qs get prepped for ASI E6? Just curious.

Everyone with ASI E6/N7 will wake up one day later this year and find themselves, according to their ERB, magically transformed to 35Q.

TheUnhorse
Oct 29, 2010

Smartest little intel sperg in the whole world

GreenMeat posted:

Everyone with ASI E6/N7 will wake up one day later this year and find themselves, according to their ERB, magically transformed to 35Q.

N7 as in Strategic Debriefer/Interrogator?

Also, can you direct me to the requirements for D6? Someone said there is an ALARACT with a list of NCS courses that satisfy the requirements, but I'll be hosed if I or anyone I know can find it.

GreenMeat
Sep 2, 2002
slow mutant

TheUnhorse posted:

N7 as in Strategic Debriefer/Interrogator?

Also, can you direct me to the requirements for D6? Someone said there is an ALARACT with a list of NCS courses that satisfy the requirements, but I'll be hosed if I or anyone I know can find it.

Sorry, not N7. N6. I'll see what I can find out about the ALARACT tomorrow.

Sir Lucius
Aug 3, 2003
Oh hey, I think I went to A school with a bunch of guys who were becoming 35Q. I can't really answer any questions about the actual work since I haven't checked into my first command yet, but the school itself was more "here is how linux and the internet routing works" and not "double click an icon to open a file".

bulletsponge13
Apr 28, 2010

Do we have a med board thread, or any of you goons work on them before? I have some questions about mine.

psydude
Apr 1, 2008

bulletsponge13 posted:

Do we have a med board thread, or any of you goons work on them before? I have some questions about mine.

http://forums.somethingawful.com/showthread.php?threadid=3475904&userid=0&perpage=40&pagenumber=23#post402955777

Nillerz
Jun 24, 2008

Nillerz posted:

Why don't I eat veggies? I don't look at them as *food*, in the classical sense.
AM I POSTING ABOUT HOW WOMEN ARE STUPID, WEAK AND WORTHLESS? REMIND ME THAT I AM AN INFANTILE MANCHILD WHO REFUSES TO EAT VEGETABLES
Hey, does anyone know if leave from Kuwait is charged or not?

DEVILDOGOOORAH
Aug 2, 2010

~Animu fan~
I believe with the 9 month deployments they did away with the EML leave

GD_American
Jul 21, 2004

LISTEN TO WHAT I HAVE TO SAY AS IT'S INCREDIBLY IMPORTANT!
Someone make a new thread

bulletsponge13
Apr 28, 2010


I read through that, but still have some questions that I could use help with. Anyone with experience willing to answer some questions?

gleep gloop
Aug 16, 2005

GROSS SHIT
So today I got my AIT orders along with a little info packet for the base I'll be at. I noticed on the orders it specifically states I must meet height and weight IAW 600-9. The welcome packet even goes so far as to say that I can pass the training without passing an APFT, but if I show up over-weight I get set home. This is weird, why is an over-weight flag so much worse? Is there some specific reason or is it just because? It would make more sense to me to be the opposite.

No Butt Stuff
Jun 10, 2004

How you look on a TRADOC post matters.

Also, you'll be interacting with IET soldiers and they don't want them to see a fat sergeant and think they can immediately begin slacking on PT when they get to their unit.

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Age of the Atomic Mom
Oct 15, 2009

Got an odd one here. I'm writing a letter to a Warrant Officer in the Canadian Forces but I'm not sure what the correct way to address him is. Would I write "Dear CD1 Warrant Officer Jim Bob" or "Dear Warrant Officer Jim Bob" or just use the standard Mr. line? I'm applying for a job and I know from some Ameri-goon friends that addressing someone in the army correctly matters, especially at high ranks. I know literally nothing of the US army or the Canadian Forces but I'd like to get this little thing right. Google just returns me American Army resources but I don't know if it's the same for the Canadian Forces.

Age of the Atomic Mom fucked around with this message at 16:14 on May 8, 2012

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