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Man, I haven't come to Debate and Discussion in years, but I just wanted to say I did my part to vote against this, even though I knew it wouldn't make a difference. gently caress
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Well, it looks like Wake went to the "NO" side by a lot. My home county, however, is 80-20 "YES." Charlotte/Meck is still out. I'm seeing less than 5% in.
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# ? May 9, 2012 01:38 |
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I'm a virginia resident/registered voter as of like.. 6 months ago.. first time not in NC and I hate it.
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# ? May 9, 2012 01:50 |
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e: Nevermind, I can't read. How do they have results for counties with 0% reporting? If you're putting your faith in an electorate that re-elected Jesse Helms for 30 years straight, you're setting yourself up to be disappointed. vvvvvvvv OneEightHundred fucked around with this message at 02:08 on May 9, 2012 |
# ? May 9, 2012 02:04 |
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I don't even know why I allowed myself to hope that this would get voted out... welp, I voted, I guess I did my part - but I've lived in NC my whole life and now I think I'm going to be compelled to move rather quickly.
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# ? May 9, 2012 02:05 |
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OneEightHundred posted:e: Nevermind, I can't read. I mean, I'm inclined to agree since I'm pissed right now, but this is also a state that saw through his type of bullshit from time to time and voted for relatively progressive, pro-education governors. NC was actually one of the states that embraced integration the most in the south. Still, if CA can't get it right, why should we? Oh well, I live out of state now, so gently caress it.
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# ? May 9, 2012 02:13 |
We lost in North Carolina House is prepared for floor votes in Colorado so civil unions could happen tonight.
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# ? May 9, 2012 02:24 |
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Colorado don't let us down
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# ? May 9, 2012 02:26 |
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UltimoDragonQuest posted:Possibly on the ballot: Washington may have two, legalize same sex marriage, and define marriage as man and woman. I'm moving there in 7 weeks (from Florida ) and trying to get all read up on the politics out there. edit: also, at NC but I wasn't holding my breath. Involuntary Sparkle fucked around with this message at 02:30 on May 9, 2012 |
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Involuntary Sparkle posted:Washington may have two, legalize same sex marriage, and define marriage as man and woman. Wait, what if they both pass?
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# ? May 9, 2012 02:32 |
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Btw, NC banned all forms of civil union today. The only valid union is marriage between and man and woman. I haven't quite figured out what this means if my wife and I moved to NC to be closer to my family (we have a civil union in California).
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# ? May 9, 2012 02:36 |
Riptor posted:Wait, what if they both pass?
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# ? May 9, 2012 02:47 |
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gently caress my home state. That is all. (I live in NC)
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# ? May 9, 2012 02:54 |
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De Nomolos posted:Btw, NC banned all forms of civil union today. The only valid union is marriage between and man and woman. As I understand it, this is why a number of people think the amendment will be shot down by the courts. I believe it was also why a number of (fiscal) conservatives were even campaigning against it - it would be a waste of money to put a nonsense amendment to a vote, defend it in court, then lose, especially when gay marriage was already illegal. There's apparently a number of questions about how this impacts things like insurance coverage, child custody rights, etc, for non-married civil unions between men and women.
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# ? May 9, 2012 03:01 |
Campster posted:As I understand it, this is why a number of people think the amendment will be shot down by the courts. I believe it was also why a number of (fiscal) conservatives were even campaigning against it - it would be a waste of money to put a nonsense amendment to a vote, defend it in court, then lose, especially when gay marriage was already illegal. There's apparently a number of questions about how this impacts things like insurance coverage, child custody rights, etc, for non-married civil unions between men and women. Though universities and other public employers have skirted the issue by changing to "dependent benefits" rather than partner benefits. If this amendment gets taken down in court it will be over a wider lack of a rational basis and not any specific part of the text. e: Looks like the GOP is running out the clock and civil unions are dead in Colorado unless the governor calls for a special session. UltimoDragonQuest fucked around with this message at 04:09 on May 9, 2012 |
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# ? May 9, 2012 03:09 |
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This wasn't the first time bigotry was enshrined in N.C's constitution And it isn't the first time it was religiously backed either. But every time bigotry has lost, and will inevitably lose. The rights of mankind are not to be rummaged for among old parchments or musty records. They are written, as with a sunbeam, in the dignity and pursuit of happiness accorded to every one us. My life has value god dammit. Its not over, Its never over and that pursuit of happiness will bury the proponents of this institutionalized bigotry in history like a ton of loving bricks. Lemonus fucked around with this message at 06:14 on May 9, 2012 |
# ? May 9, 2012 06:09 |
Colorado's GOP House Speaker just killed 30 unrelated bills so civil unions wouldn't get a floor vote where it would almost certainly pass. He met with the governor tonight and refused to cut a deal. The governor's only option is calling a special session but that only allows for 1 of 30 bills to get a vote. Amazing. UltimoDragonQuest fucked around with this message at 06:18 on May 9, 2012 |
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# ? May 9, 2012 06:13 |
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UltimoDragonQuest posted:Colorado's GOP House Speaker just killed 30 unrelated bills so civil unions wouldn't get a floor vote where it would almost certainly pass. Now that's a commitment to
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# ? May 9, 2012 14:40 |
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President Obama "comes out" in favor of same-sex marriage. http://gma.yahoo.com/blogs/abc-blogs/president-obama-affirms-his-support-for-same-sex-marriage.html
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Nostalgia4Infinity posted:President Obama "comes out" in favor of same-sex marriage. Another outrage that can be laid at the feet of evolution.
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# ? May 9, 2012 20:07 |
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Obama: "I'm now only as much of an rear end in a top hat as David Cameron."
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# ? May 9, 2012 20:15 |
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Will it play well with the electorate? Y/N Yes? "I support gay marriage."
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# ? May 9, 2012 20:25 |
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Breaking News in Colorado: We get a special session to vote on the 30 bills that were filibustered last night. But there's kind of mixed reports on whether or not the Civil Union bill is included in this. http://www.denverpost.com/breakingnews/ci_20582571/fallout-legislative-implosion-over-colorado-civil-union-bill Then again, breaking news Denver Post online articles tend to be very poorly written, so who knows?
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GOOCHY posted:Will it play well with the electorate? Y/N But this should really only bother the laziest and least informed bigots who only paid attention to the word marriage. This is a man who campaigned on a full DOMA repeal, continually (if not forcefully) opposed all anti-gay referendums, and told Justice to stop defending DOMA the second it became politically impossible (rather than super unlikely) to repeal it. If you were opposed to marriage equality I don't know how you could have supported Obama unless you were incredibly eager to believe his tepid policy of not supporting the magic word. UltimoDragonQuest fucked around with this message at 21:07 on May 9, 2012 |
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blackmet posted:Breaking News in Colorado: We get a special session to vote on the 30 bills that were filibustered last night. "I spent a long time in restaurant business," an emotional Hickenlooper said in a Capitol corridor filled with reporters, lobbyists, staff and onlookers. "A lot of people who helped us create that business didn't have the same amount of rights as everybody else. Read more: Hickenlooper calls for special session in fallout over failed Colorado civil-union bill - The Denver Post http://www.denverpost.com/breakingnews/ci_20582571/fallout-legislative-implosion-over-colorado-civil-union-bill#ixzz1uPQ1zdbw Read The Denver Post's Terms of Use of its content: http://www.denverpost.com/termsofuse - yeah, he's specifically discussing it directly here. It's the key reason for the special session.
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Bel_Canto posted:Obama: "I'm now only as much of an rear end in a top hat as David Cameron." Ha, ha, ha! Nope! quote:In 2000, David Cameron (at that time an unelected Conservative party member) repeatedly attacked the Labour government's plans to abolish Section 28, publicly criticising then-Prime Minister Tony Blair as being "anti-family" and accused him of wanting the "promotion of homosexuality in schools". While Call-Me-Dave is at the moment saying that the Coalition will basically "get around" to allowing same-sex civil marriages by 2015, he was is hugely homophobic. You may be the most powerful country in the world, but good ol' Blighty still has the biggest prick in power!
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# ? May 9, 2012 22:19 |
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Oh FoxNews Yes a WAR
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# ? May 9, 2012 22:30 |
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Mr Ice Cream Glove posted:Oh FoxNews You see it's a war because the gays are ruining the sanctity of marriage! It's a sacred institution under attack and it must not be defiled! *watches the bachelor/bachelorette* *gets divorced*
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# ? May 9, 2012 22:34 |
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Doccers posted:"I spent a long time in restaurant business," an emotional Hickenlooper said in a Capitol corridor filled with reporters, lobbyists, staff and onlookers. "A lot of people who helped us create that business didn't have the same amount of rights as everybody else. So basically they have the 1 Republican vote they need to pass it in the assembly and it's just one giant committee filibuster?
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# ? May 9, 2012 23:08 |
Amused to Death posted:So basically they have the 1 Republican vote they need to pass it in the assembly and it's just one giant committee filibuster? GOP Leadership held up 30 bills to avoid a floor vote where civil unions would pass.
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# ? May 9, 2012 23:10 |
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Mr Ice Cream Glove posted:Oh FoxNews Oh man, now I have to dump my girlfriend to marry a dude, and I'm not even American. Even if he did wait a bit to make sure it polled well I have to give Obama some credit for stating his support for same sex marriage. It's getting a ton of positive attention in the Canadian news, and I'd imagine it's getting similar coverage elsewhere in the world.
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# ? May 9, 2012 23:40 |
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Mr Ice Cream Glove posted:Oh FoxNews This isn't real, is it?
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# ? May 9, 2012 23:41 |
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PUNCHITCHEWIE posted:This isn't real, is it? Are you unfamiliar with American media? That's not even out of the ordinary.
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# ? May 9, 2012 23:45 |
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They did change it, however. I really wonder what goes on over there. Do you think one guy posted the headline and then everyone else reign it in? Or did they notice the headline was getting a few too many tweets and they went "oh poo poo."
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# ? May 9, 2012 23:50 |
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Boxman posted:They did change it, however. I really wonder what goes on over there. Do you think one guy posted the headline and then everyone else reign it in? Or did they notice the headline was getting a few too many tweets and they went "oh poo poo." Second one obviously. Shep Smith is literally the only person at with a conscious.
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# ? May 10, 2012 00:02 |
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Fox Nation is their community blog site. Fox is evil, but they're not stupid.
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# ? May 10, 2012 00:16 |
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A Fancy 400 lbs posted:Fox Nation is their community blog site. Fox is evil, but they're not stupid. On the other hand, Rush said "We've arrived at a point where the President of the United States is going to lead a war on traditional marriage" on his radio show today.
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# ? May 10, 2012 00:22 |
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mintskoal posted:On the other hand, Rush said "We've arrived at a point where the President of the United States is going to lead a war on traditional marriage" on his radio show today. His radio show isn't on Fox, and he knows he can get away with saying almost anything after surviving the birth control fiasco. I'm not saying that was a good headline, I'm just saying be accurate with your accusations otherwise you lose credibility to people on the fence.
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# ? May 10, 2012 00:30 |
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I don't care if it's for politics or not, he's still backing the right opinion, so yay Obama. Besides, it's not as if he didn't already back it de facto anyhow. Now we just finally made the guy come out and say it openly.
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# ? May 10, 2012 00:39 |
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I think it took too long for Obama to go public, but a President endorsing gay marriage running against a candidate whose press secretary was fired for being gay just a couple of weeks ago - the difference could not be more stark. Andrew Sullivan put it best - his statement doesn't change laws, but it shows that he has let go of fear and is prepared to let the chips fall as they may. That's why he was elected. I think it will help him and I think Mitt Romney probably hates life quite a lot right now. It's indicative of how little they fear Romney that they've dropped this. miss_chaos fucked around with this message at 00:55 on May 10, 2012 |
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