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Azraden
Oct 26, 2010

Ooh - a crevice
Finally platinum'd this. It's an awesome game, I just wish it wasn't so weird about timing with sidequests. The biggest issue is that there's a sidequest not listed in the doc or the guide! If anyone is curious: They actually give you from near the beginning of the game until the fight with the dragon, which is nice. Keep buying and selling from Reynard (the merchant who travels around different areas of the map) and he'll ask for scrap iron. Give it to him, buy and sell some more, and he'll ask for Miasmite. Buy and sell some more (you may also have to wait at least 24 hours after giving him Miasmite) and you get the final part of his quest, which is getting all 6 of the journal entries to him.

I really hope for some expansion-style DLC from this. The dungeons in this game are way more interesting than Gransys itself so I hope they're more designed like those.

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Schubalts
Nov 26, 2007

People say bigger is better.

But for the first time in my life, I think I've gone too far.

Lotish posted:

Ha! I hadn't used the in game friend system. Is it separate from Live and PSN systems like the favorites list?

Nope, it gives you an actual PSN/Live friend invite, with the message in olde English.

marshmallow creep
Dec 10, 2008

I've been sitting here for 5 mins trying to think of a joke to make but I just realised the animators of Mass Effect already did it for me

Holy poo poo this game. Most games you come to a dead end and there's no way around. This one, you come to a locked door and you just look for a wall you can climb up or a gap you can leap and sequence break that poo poo. Game doesn't care!

The Cheshire Cat
Jun 10, 2008

Fun Shoe

Azraden posted:

Finally platinum'd this. It's an awesome game, I just wish it wasn't so weird about timing with sidequests. The biggest issue is that there's a sidequest not listed in the doc or the guide! If anyone is curious: They actually give you from near the beginning of the game until the fight with the dragon, which is nice. Keep buying and selling from Reynard (the merchant who travels around different areas of the map) and he'll ask for scrap iron. Give it to him, buy and sell some more, and he'll ask for Miasmite. Buy and sell some more (you may also have to wait at least 24 hours after giving him Miasmite) and you get the final part of his quest, which is getting all 6 of the journal entries to him.

I really hope for some expansion-style DLC from this. The dungeons in this game are way more interesting than Gransys itself so I hope they're more designed like those.

I was wondering about that. I got the very first part of that quest literally at the very end of the game just before I went in to fight the dragon. I figured it was related to the Journal Entries since they mention him, but couldn't get any of the later steps so I could never figure out how to hand them in.

FuriousGeorge
Jan 23, 2006

Ah, the simple joys of a monkey knife-fight.
Grimey Drawer
Have I screwed myself out of getting the quest line with the Duchess? After my first meeting with the Duke I triggered the convo with the Chancellor at the castle gate before going to talk with her. The game auto saved after that and she's nowhere to be seen now.

Myriad
Apr 26, 2010
Just had the Ur-Dragon spawn on so little HP his bar didn't visibly have anything in it. :getin:

Thievery
Jul 15, 2008

What happens in 3rd Street stays in 3rd Street.

Lotish posted:

Holy poo poo this game. Most games you come to a dead end and there's no way around. This one, you come to a locked door and you just look for a wall you can climb up or a gap you can leap and sequence break that poo poo. Game doesn't care!

Best sequence breaking is to do with double jumping your way around corners to completely bypass gates. A good example's the Everfall at the start of the game, there's a gate or two you have to just go a little out of the way for but gently caress that poo poo, just double jump out and around the corner and you'll get past it.

VDay
Jul 2, 2003

I'm Pacman Jones!

Azraden posted:

Finally platinum'd this. It's an awesome game, I just wish it wasn't so weird about timing with sidequests. The biggest issue is that there's a sidequest not listed in the doc or the guide! If anyone is curious: They actually give you from near the beginning of the game until the fight with the dragon, which is nice. Keep buying and selling from Reynard (the merchant who travels around different areas of the map) and he'll ask for scrap iron. Give it to him, buy and sell some more, and he'll ask for Miasmite. Buy and sell some more (you may also have to wait at least 24 hours after giving him Miasmite) and you get the final part of his quest, which is getting all 6 of the journal entries to him.

I really hope for some expansion-style DLC from this. The dungeons in this game are way more interesting than Gransys itself so I hope they're more designed like those.

Christ I would've completely missed that. Any guide out there for where the journal entries are? I think I've only ever seen like 3 out of my 2 and a half playthroughs so far.

Azraden
Oct 26, 2010

Ooh - a crevice

VDay posted:

Christ I would've completely missed that. Any guide out there for where the journal entries are? I think I've only ever seen like 3 out of my 2 and a half playthroughs so far.

This is what I used, though it isn't very detailed, it becomes obvious enough when you get to the area.

First Journal Entry** In the Encampment. In a Chest by the area where you killed the Hyrda.

Second Journal Entry** In the Catacombs, Second Level Underground

Third Journal Entry** In Gran Soren, you have to climb up on top of the roofs and find a spot where you can drop down into the roof. It's NW of the Black Cat.

Fourth Journal Entry**"Barta Crags" Area Near Miasmic Haunt. This is South of The Great Wall.

Fifth Journal Entry** Soulflayer Canyon First Floor

Final Journal Entry** Ancient Quarry, It's pretty much in the middle of the map. If you entered from the North side, its in the big area before you get to the "Switch" Just NE of the "Lever" Icon.

SoldadoDeTone
Apr 20, 2006

Hold on tight!
My main pawn has been hired out at least six times, and he regularly comes back with gifts from other players. However, I have yet to receive any ratings or comments. Do I have to toggle an option on or something to allow comments and ratings or something?

Also, I maxed out strider and now I guess I should switch vocations for the augments. If I'm enjoying the thief style of play where I shoot things with my bow and then dodge around stabbing everybody, should I go ranger or assassin? Seems like ranger will lack the close combat fun, and the assassin will lose the ranged.

In any case, I'll probably end up doing both. Which would be better first considering augments?

turn off the TV
Aug 4, 2010

moderately annoying

Your pawn isn't being hired, the game is just pretending that they are. If your pawn is actually hired you're shown who hired them/how many RC you got/your rating on an info screen.

Sankis
Mar 8, 2004

But I remember the fella who told me. Big lad. Arms as thick as oak trees, a stunning collection of scars, nice eye patch. A REAL therapist he was. Er wait. Maybe it was rapist?


Lotish posted:

Holy poo poo this game. Most games you come to a dead end and there's no way around. This one, you come to a locked door and you just look for a wall you can climb up or a gap you can leap and sequence break that poo poo. Game doesn't care!

A lot of reviewers are comparing this game to Skyrim, but doing stuff like this in the game (along with the pretty limited though fairly detailed landmass) reminds me more of a Japanese Gothic game.

Also, people should be hiring Sankis more :( I need sweet, sweet RC. He's a two handed warrior dwarf with a mohawk and silver glasses! What's not to love?

SoldadoDeTone
Apr 20, 2006

Hold on tight!

Giggily posted:

Your pawn isn't being hired, the game is just pretending that they are. If your pawn is actually hired you're shown who hired them/how many RC you got/your rating on an info screen.

Well that's frustrating. I was wondering why people were gifting me mushrooms and meat. If anyone needs a fighter tank, pick up Olaf! He's big, Norse, and pretty amazing! I might swap him to a warrior soon for the augments, though.

VDay
Jul 2, 2003

I'm Pacman Jones!

Azraden posted:

This is what I used, though it isn't very detailed, it becomes obvious enough when you get to the area.

Thanks. Can you confirm/comment on when quests expire/become available? I've noticed escort quests disappear if you don't do them for long enough, but what about the "normal"/non-notice board quests? Is it just based on where you are in the story, or if you've finished another quest? Basically, do you think it's safe to just dick around for as long as possible in between each plot mission to make sure I've got everything, or should I keep a decent pace as I do everything?

Policenaut
Jul 11, 2008

On the moon... they don't make Neo Kobe Pizza.

Or is there an achievement guide for it? I've long since given up on getting it now but on my third run of the game I'll gladly follow whatever guide tells me to do.

Refind Chaos
Sep 16, 2007

King of 'tisms mountain
Has anyone used my Pawn Shelley? If so is she terrible, or not? I would like some feed back on whether she is decent or not. I didn't pay enough attention to who hired her the first few times to have any concept on how she was performing. Some goon reviews would be helpful (obviously if you are within her level range which is 43ish).

OP I think adding in a goon rating system to the pawn spreadsheet would be okay. Even if it's just based on the last goon that used it. Seems Gnome Chompensky would likely hold "best pawn" award atm.

Refind Chaos fucked around with this message at 04:55 on May 31, 2012

Azraden
Oct 26, 2010

Ooh - a crevice

VDay posted:

Thanks. Can you confirm/comment on when quests expire/become available? I've noticed escort quests disappear if you don't do them for long enough, but what about the "normal"/non-notice board quests? Is it just based on where you are in the story, or if you've finished another quest? Basically, do you think it's safe to just dick around for as long as possible in between each plot mission to make sure I've got everything, or should I keep a decent pace as I do everything?

I actually had a big thing written up about how the quests generally are after big things happening (IE meeting the duke), but there are quite a few that are really weird time frames. Give me a couple hours and I'll have a list of quests needed for The Hero and when they unlock. I'll include when they fail if I know.

a kitten
Aug 5, 2006

I just got a nice big list of people that rented my pawn and a couple decent gifts (and a skull:black101:), that's not so unusual. What is weird is that about an hour later I got the exact same list of gamertags and the same loot. Yay for double rift crystals I guess and hooray for what is a weird glitch actually paying off in my favor.

I just finished up going to the Great Wall for the first time and was that the point where the Dragon was supposed to run off with my love interest? I ask because an NPC back in the starting town mentioned that it was sad that my love had been taken, but the two people it's likely to be are Madeleine (who already got kicked from Gran Soren, I wish she would pop back up like she said she would, I didn't buy all the unique stuff she had beforehand) and the Duchess who got all kissy with me during her rescue and then got carted back to her homeland by a bunch of her guards who apparently don't approve of her taste in female Sorcerers.

Was that NPC just on crack and the abduction or whatever it is happens later? Or, does your "love interest" being out of the picture just make it so no-one gets taken?

Aries
Jun 6, 2006
Computer says no.
Ok, can anyone tell me where the hell this Reynard guy is? I've got all the journal docs but still not met him.

Where does he move between? Is it too late to start the quest if I've already met the duke?

Vitamean
May 31, 2012

He's a traveling merchant, so he's all over the place. I've seen him anywhere from Greatwall to the Encampment.

Aries
Jun 6, 2006
Computer says no.

Moldy Taxes posted:

He's a traveling merchant, so he's all over the place. I've seen him anywhere from Greatwall to the Encampment.

Well, poo poo.

VDay
Jul 2, 2003

I'm Pacman Jones!
He's the traveling merchant that you have the option of saving when you first leave Cassardis to go to the encampment and see him under attack from 3 goblins. He'll either be at one of the camps or in fountain square walking around/standing outside the inn. He's got a big merchant's backpack on his back.

Aries
Jun 6, 2006
Computer says no.
Thanks mate, I'll keep an eye out for him.

tidiox
Jul 22, 2007
If you haven't finished the quests that you get after meeting the Duke, you might be able to locate Reynard easily: I think he gets an objective marker for one of those quests (Trials and Tribulations).

Azraden
Oct 26, 2010

Ooh - a crevice
Alright, this should be everything. Let me know if I missed anything.

From Beginning: (most of these fail when you leave for Gran Soren)
Floral Delivery: Talk to Benita in Cassardis.

Grim Tidings: Talk to Elvar in Cassardis

Lost Faith: Talk to Father Clemente at the church in Cassardis

Search Part: You have until you go fight the dragon to do this one. Keep buying and selling with Reynard (the merchant who travels everywhere) until he asks you to get something for him. Do this again. Then one more time and he will ask you for the six journal entries.


After going to Encampment:
An Uninvited Guest: Cassardis. Talk to Pablo, the innkeeper.

Deep Trouble: Talk to the Poll next to the well in Cassardis.

Guard Duty: Talk to Madeliene in Cassardis

Lost and Found: For this one, you have to beat the Hydra at the encampment first (I would do it before leaving for Gran Soren to be safe, though it may not expire until meeting with the duke), talk to Adoro in Cassardis.


After reaching Gran Soren (some will need you to complete "A Matter of Myrmidons" first):
A Troublesome Tome. Steffen in Gran Soren. Should be available until you go fight the dragon.

Chasing Shadows: Talk to Mason in Gran Soren.

Dying of Curiosity: Talk to Merin in Cassardis

Land of Opportunity: Talk to Fournival in Gran Soren

Reaper's Scorn: Talk to Austine, who is across from the pawn guild in Gran Soren.


After meeting the duke (some require you to take one of Adolus' quests, though you don't need to do any):
An Innocent Man: Talk to Tomlin in Cassardis.

Arousing Suspicion: get it from Mirabelle somewhere around the castle. I believe you can only get this if you go up to her after meeting the duke when the camera brings her to your attention.

Idol Worship: Talk to Caxton ("They're masterworks all, you can't go wrong!) in Gran Soren.

Nameless Terror: Take the south exit from Gran Soren. There will be a guard with this quest.

Supplier's Demand: Madeline in her shop.

Supply and Demands: Talk to Ser Dario at Windbluff Tower

The Conspirators: Talk to Fedel, upstairs in the castle (usually in the Duke's Solar)

Witch Hunt: You'll overhear people talking about it in Fountain Square in Gran Soren, then the quest will pop up.


After receiving gifts from the Duke (do these before leaving for "Deny Salvation"):
Bad Business: Go to Madeline's shop

Duchess In Distress: Talk to Mirabelle around the castle

Rise of the Fallen: Talk to Ser Maimillian (the guy who gave you the quests before meeting the duke) in Gran Soren. I believe you have to do his quest for investigating a cult to get this. Do all 4 of those quests he offers to you before seeing the duke just to be safe.


Special ones:
A Talent In Bloom: Talk to Quina at the Abbey. This one is weird. It will definitely pop up a few days after you escort Quina to Prayer Falls but she will appear at the Abbey whether you do so or not and some people have gotten this quest without escorting her. The escort quest appearing at the Cassardis inn isn't always consistent for me, but its always been some time after meeting the duke.

A Parting Gift: Talk to Clarus at the Abbey a day or two after doing "Talent In Bloom"

Deeper Trouble: One week after finishing "Deep Trouble", go back to the well at Cassardis.

Escort Duty: Talk to Fournival in Gran Soren after finishing both "Chasing Shadows" and "Land of Opportunity"

Farewell, Valmiro: Not actually sure when this unlocks. The guide has it listed as an escort quest. Check in with Valmiro in Cassardis after meeting the Duke and then after getting rewards from the Duke. Should appear one of those times. May have to do "Dying of Curiosity" for it to appear.

Mettle Against Metal: After "Witch Hunt". In the Witchwood (the part that opened up after Witch Hunt), there will be some golems lying around. One of these is a Metal Golem. Walk up to it to start this.

No Honor Among Thieves: After doing "An Uninvited Guest", you'll see Pike (the thief) walking around Cassardis. Talk to him and he will mention he has given up thieving. Go to the Ruins of Aernst Castle and talk to Maul to get this quest.

The Dragon's Tongue: Some time after completing "Witch Hunt", go back to the tombstone in the Witchwood and there should be a tablet there.

Thick as Thieves: Talk to the leader of the female bandits in Ruins of Heavenspeak Castle. Available until you go fight the dragon. Also make sure you and all your pawns are either female or dressed as such or you will be attacked on sight.


Also make sure to do all four of the quests to meet the duke instead of just doing two.

Azraden fucked around with this message at 06:19 on May 31, 2012

Aries
Jun 6, 2006
Computer says no.
Apropos of not much, does giving gifts to NPCs do much (outside of quest-essential stuff).

It might have been coincidence but I gave a merchant a gift and right afterwards he had a few new items in stock.

VDay
Jul 2, 2003

I'm Pacman Jones!
Ahahaha I completely forgot about the church quest after doing it on my previous two playthroughs :suicide: At least I'll get the achievement early next game I guess. Thanks for the list though, that'll be super helpful since I'm only just about to do the first quests for the duke.

Vitamean
May 31, 2012

Some merchants stock new items when you reach a certain relationship point with them. Most NPCs are just there to be potential romance options though. So if you want to get hitched with the filthy beggar in Gran Soren's slums, by all means.

Judge Tesla
Oct 29, 2011

:frogsiren:
Got a post-game question, So the Duke is now ancient and thinks I cursed him, and whenever I got to the palace I get rushed by guards, does this ever change, or is it now permenant? like can I become Duke myself for example.

Funkmaster General
Sep 13, 2008

Hey, man, I distinctly remember this being an episode of Spongebob. :colbert:

Okay, I give up. How do I beat the evil eye? My pawns refuse to use softeners and the drat thing always blinds me. It also can only take damage for like 3 seconds at a time every 5 minutes. I'm obviously missing something.

e: whoops, guess that's kind of a spoiler.

Vitamean
May 31, 2012

Judge Tesla posted:

Got a post-game question, So the Duke is now ancient and thinks I cursed him, and whenever I got to the palace I get rushed by guards, does this ever change, or is it now permenant? like can I become Duke myself for example.

It stays that way through the entire post game until you NG+.

AttackBacon
Nov 19, 2010
DEEP FRIED DIARRHEA

Azraden posted:

Finally platinum'd this. It's an awesome game, I just wish it wasn't so weird about timing with sidequests. The biggest issue is that there's a sidequest not listed in the doc or the guide! If anyone is curious: They actually give you from near the beginning of the game until the fight with the dragon, which is nice. Keep buying and selling from Reynard (the merchant who travels around different areas of the map) and he'll ask for scrap iron. Give it to him, buy and sell some more, and he'll ask for Miasmite. Buy and sell some more (you may also have to wait at least 24 hours after giving him Miasmite) and you get the final part of his quest, which is getting all 6 of the journal entries to him.

I really hope for some expansion-style DLC from this. The dungeons in this game are way more interesting than Gransys itself so I hope they're more designed like those.

It's in the guide, but it's mentioned in the section about merchants, not the atlas or quest list. Which is dumb. That guide is so poorly organized. Still useful though.

Azraden
Oct 26, 2010

Ooh - a crevice

Funkmaster General posted:

Okay, I give up. How do I beat the evil eye? My pawns refuse to use softeners and the drat thing always blinds me. It also can only take damage for like 3 seconds at a time every 5 minutes. I'm obviously missing something.

e: whoops, guess that's kind of a spoiler.

When his shield is down, hit him directly in the eye. That should make him fall over with the eyeball hanging out, then go to town on it. What level are you/your pawns? The Everfall has a pretty big difficulty spike and the evil eye is the easiest of the bosses down there.

Tufty
May 21, 2006

The Traffic Safety Squirrel

Judge Tesla posted:

Got a post-game question, So the Duke is now ancient and thinks I cursed him, and whenever I got to the palace I get rushed by guards, does this ever change, or is it now permenant? like can I become Duke myself for example.

Pfft, you only want to be duke? Set your sights a bit higher than that!

Funkmaster General
Sep 13, 2008

Hey, man, I distinctly remember this being an episode of Spongebob. :colbert:

Azraden posted:

When his shield is down, hit him directly in the eye. That should make him fall over with the eyeball hanging out, then go to town on it. What level are you/your pawns? The Everfall has a pretty big difficulty spike and the evil eye is the easiest of the bosses down there.

I'm in the early-mid 50's, not on to check for sure right now where therein. I did a lot of exploring/fighting in the overworld postgame before going down there. My party is an assassin (myself, bow + daggers), my warrior pawn, a mage pawn for healing, and church of raven's sorceress pawn.

Is there some trick to getting the barrier down? It seems to be always up and I guess I'm not doing enough damage while it's down to stagger it? Hitting the eye is kind of obvious but the only time I can get any significant amount of damage done is when it's eating someone, and of course I'd prefer it not to be eating someone too much, I can only bring so many curatives.

TheArchimage
Dec 17, 2008
Haven't been able to visit the forums in a couple days and now there's a bunch of posts. I'm trying to work my way through, but drat you guys post a lot.

Do we add our own pawns to the list, or do we put in our info and someone else does that? My PSN name is thearchimage and my pawn is Zahn, a support mage (just got the upgraded heal spell). I've been doing a lot of overtime at work so I'm still only level 20 or so, but maybe he'll be useful for some of the thread's late adopters.

Blackchamber
Jan 25, 2005

Funkmaster General posted:

I'm in the early-mid 50's, not on to check for sure right now where therein. I did a lot of exploring/fighting in the overworld postgame before going down there. My party is an assassin (myself, bow + daggers), my warrior pawn, a mage pawn for healing, and church of raven's sorceress pawn.

Is there some trick to getting the barrier down? It seems to be always up and I guess I'm not doing enough damage while it's down to stagger it? Hitting the eye is kind of obvious but the only time I can get any significant amount of damage done is when it's eating someone, and of course I'd prefer it not to be eating someone too much, I can only bring so many curatives.

Destroy his tentacles, the easiest being the ones that are springing up from the floor. when he runs out his shield is down and you can target his eye. He'll hit the floor and sometimes his inner eye is exposed and you can go to town on it

Azraden
Oct 26, 2010

Ooh - a crevice

Funkmaster General posted:

I'm in the early-mid 50's, not on to check for sure right now where therein. I did a lot of exploring/fighting in the overworld postgame before going down there. My party is an assassin (myself, bow + daggers), my warrior pawn, a mage pawn for healing, and church of raven's sorceress pawn.

Is there some trick to getting the barrier down? It seems to be always up and I guess I'm not doing enough damage while it's down to stagger it? Hitting the eye is kind of obvious but the only time I can get any significant amount of damage done is when it's eating someone, and of course I'd prefer it not to be eating someone too much, I can only bring so many curatives.

Huh. I never had that problem. I just kept shooting magic at it when the barrier was up. I didn't think it was doing anything but maybe hitting the barrier makes it go down faster? You could try to lure it into eating you and when you dodge it gets stuck in the ground, letting you attack it.

The Moon Monster
Dec 30, 2005

Judge Tesla posted:

Got a post-game question, So the Duke is now ancient and thinks I cursed him, and whenever I got to the palace I get rushed by guards, does this ever change, or is it now permenant? like can I become Duke myself for example.

If you want to be Duke You can accept the dragon's bargain rather than fighting it. It's just an elaborate game over screen you get an achievement for though.

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veni veni veni
Jun 5, 2005


I ran into the first golem I have seen and his last orb is on the bottom of his foot and I cant get him to fall down for the life of me. Wtf. Been trying to get to it for like 15 minutes with no luck this is a pain in the dick.

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