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Bluhman posted:Which means he found quite a bit more than whatever this is. Bluhman, completely off topic, but is your avatar a reference to WeepAngels? Because the party golems were probably the best thing to come out of that thread. 
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Orange Fluffy Sheep posted:On a different note, guess who backtracked from the start of disc 2 to Mt. Nibel to get the second Elemental materia because he realized he was comic close to a boss with a ton of elemental attacks? I was wondering why you said Mt. Nibel was pointless when that existed. 
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Orange Fluffy Sheep posted:On a different note, guess who backtracked from the start of disc 2 to Mt. Nibel to get the second Elemental materia because he realized he was comic close to a boss with a ton of elemental attacks? Were you missing the elemental armors/accesories also? He's easily beatable without any Elementals if you have those.
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whitehelm posted:Were you missing the elemental armors/accesories also? He's easily beatable without any Elementals if you have those. When the boss has 4 different elemental attacks, one of which is a counter and another is a death reaction, and has a very nice steal, I don't like taking chances.
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Bluhman posted:Which means he found quite a bit more than whatever this is. I have a soft spot for that kind of silly art because it takes the piss out of the moderni incarnation a bit. I don't think there's been an official joke about since FFtactics (with CLoud's equipment). It comes off as the one running joke in the fandom Square hasn't run with at some point.
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penguinmambo posted:I have a soft spot for that kind of silly art because it takes the piss out of the moderni incarnation a bit. I don't think there's been an official joke about since FFtactics (with CLoud's equipment). It comes off as the one running joke in the fandom Square hasn't run with at some point. In Dissidia, the females character and Cloud and Kefka can equip the "Pretty Princess" equipment set. That consists of:
*Member's Card *Blonde Wig *Silk Dress Sadly you never see any of it on him, so Cloud running around in pigtails remains a FFVII only thing. So they do remember it. It's just they don't use it that often. Pesky Splinter fucked around with this message at 00:19 on Jun 9, 2012 |
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Pesky Splinter posted:In Dissidia, the females character and Cloud and Kefka can equip the "Pretty Princess" equipment set. That consists of: P-perfume that amorously arouses?! On Kefka?! And that reminded me. FF7 doesn't use that may key items. So for most of the game:  You've got just a card to a brothel, a cell phone, and a full women's outfit. Occasionally an actual plot item like the Keystone will be there.
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Orange Fluffy Sheep posted:
Cloud just can't let go of that outfit.
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Pesky Splinter posted:Cloud just can't let go of that outfit. Cloud just likes clubbin' man
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Reading this thread + http://youtu.be/GCtQmwJ1WAY = (click for the spoiler version)
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^^^^Throw Red 13 in there and it'd be so Adventure Club it'd hurt. To move away from crossdressing, if you get a chance, there's actually a rather harmless little animation made somewhere in the extended universe called Case Of based on some vignettes (fanfiction) someone wrote for the series for the side characters, though the only one animated is of that kid Denzel. It really has gently caress all to do with the rest of the stuff (so it doesn't feel like it's handjobbing the fandom),, and is a slow paced thing that is pretty Anime(tm), but more like those slowmoving talky ones. You sort of get the feeling it could been the pilot to something. Unsurprisingly, it's probably the only decent thing to come out of it (and for his one tiny scene, you get the feeling this Cloud is written by someone who knows the old Cloud)and makes me wonder if they didn't wanna do something more with the Denzel character. ALso the idea of making geostigma, and the first scenes we see it, a really overt metaphor for radiation poisoning probably made it a lot more unsettling to the audience. keet fucked around with this message at 04:20 on Jun 11, 2012 |
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Chapter 51 - Wherein the plot finally starts Last time we ended the chapter with some crazy Raiders of the Lost Ark action.  I also ended the update conveniently in a spot to cut any bullshits, because...  Well, mostly because this is the update where the plot really starts. I've been promising it for a while now. For you people who don't understand why FF7's plot is confusing, welcome.  Before you ask - no you didn't miss anything last update.  This pool was just there, we finished the puzzle, and Aeris ran to it just like you saw and started talking to it.  The first part of the temple is just as you saw, a (very linear at that) maze.  Tseng is injured, but he didn't die.  The ancients show us a vision, presumably of what happened not long ago. THANKS CAIT.   The temple wasn't Egyptian enough by just being a pyramid, it's a good thing they added the paintings and hyeroglyphs, I wasn't "getting" it.  Then again, we live in a universe with Korean BBQ, Texas Hold'em, and Japan. Fine, I'll quit it.   Nothing spells romantic as being in an ancient dusty Temple with a psychotic mutant.  But we're talking about people who kidnap others for a living, so what do I know?  Oh gently caress.    The creepy thing about Sephiroth is that he just doesn't make sense.  We need more information, but don't worry, we're getting there.   Yes he... splits in two. And one of "him" is looking at us.   "I will meld with it all. I will become one with it... it will become one with me." "You can do that?" "The way... lies here." Nooo, Tseng   Alright, so  Sephiroth is pretty much bananas.    This never works, the rear end in a top hat always flies away with noclip on.  The spirits of the ancients appear as you progress through the dungeon to let you save. It's pretty cool.  This one here is one of the most annoying puzzles in the game. It's not THE most annoying (it will take a while for us to get there) but it's definitely top 5.  Basically you have to... well it's not a puzzle per se, you simply have to spin the loving clock around to get to different rooms.  Yea, I know. You spin me right round, babe, right round etc.  Of course there's nothing in Room 2. Oh how I miss the 90s. You could toss flat textures at walls and call it a day.  Well, Bethesda still can.  Let's get this out of the way first. This is what we get in Room 9. The [Princess Guard] is Aeris' Ultimate Weapon.  The Princess Guard deals 52 damage (slightly less than Umbrella's 58) but has 6 Linked Slots and 1 Unlinked Slot. It also increases Magic by 22, Defense by 12 and Spirit by 20.  Last but not least, the damage is increased by 100% for each dead ally in combat.  Oh no! This is what happens if the second indicator hits you while you're walking. You fall.  You'll fall in this place where you'll have to fight some random irrelevant enemies.   Nevertheless, your reward is the [Nail Bat], one of the most awesome weapons in the game. Do you doubt me? Well look at the drat thing:   Nail Bat is another one from the series "weapons with no materia slots and a crapload of damage" and gently caress I can believe that.  This is where we exit, though. 1/2 mystery passages resolved. Sadly enough we have to go all the way back.  Next we finally get to this place through Room 5. Our reward is the [Ribbon], one of the most important items in the game.  Why? Well let's put it this way - the Ribbon is the only accessory that protects you from every single status ailment in the game.  Room 8. Temple of the Ancients? Between [Morph], [Ribbon] and a Ultimate Weapon, this is more like Piñata of the Ancients   Oh God more weapons stop it game you're making me embarassed. This one's the same as the other no materia weapons except it's for Cait Sith.  Proceeding through Room 6 you exit at another puzzle. This ancient runs away as soon as he sees us.   Cue the Benny Hill Theme again.  Where the hell is "home" though? I don't think Cloud has had a home for years now. Oh God, we're bums.  PTSD doesn't quite work this way, Aeris.  So yes, we have to catch him. Every time we enter a door he exits through a different door and enters another one. The pattern is fixed but the doors don't work both ways - they're connected to different places whether you're entering or leaving them.  Since I've already linked the Benny Hill Theme, here, have a music of mine enhanced by the Wub Machine.  Oh cmon I can't even play the minigame without the game tossing weapons at me. I'm pretty sure you can figure by now whom this weapon belongs to, how many materia slots it has and the damage with a margin of error of +- 2 points.  Here. Through the use of my very advanced image editing skills, I have made a handy guide for your convenience. You're welcome.  Well then, if you insist.   No Cloud, why would you do that  Right.  That's incredibly creepy.   "A Treasure house of knowledge..." "I don't understand what you're saying!"    There's not much to say here. Sephiroth makes as much sense to me as he does to you.  Luckily Aeris is always there to ask the right questions.   "The amount of energy gathered depends on the size of the injury." I'm gonna help you here. The world of Final Fantasy VII is called Gaia.  It coincides with something formulated in the 70s called Gaia hypothesis, a hypothesis that the entire planet is a single complex life system and we're part of it just like our cells are part of us.  Gaia herself is a Greek Goddess, the "Mother Earth" per se. Gaia being a primordial Greek deity was a direct representation of the powers that compose the universe, being far above Zeus and the other traditional Greek Gods.  The world of FF7 is a literal interpretation of the Gaia hypothesis - in which the worlds are literally living beings such as us. Lifestream is the "world blood", which is essentially spiritual energy.  There's an interesting secondary layer to this.  The concept of "God" being the sum-total of consciousness in the universe is present in many cultures, philosophies and mysticism. In the west it's - again - more present in Greek philosophy but it's a strong part of a vast array of esoteric beliefs.  Sephiroth takes - for the sake of narrative - all of these concepts literally.   "That will never happen!" And of course he flies away.  Not the voices again.  You know...  We've been talking about Sephiroth, but let's stop a bit and take a look at our protagonist.  Our protagonist, too, is completely insane.  He's constantly having seizures and hearing voices and losing control.  And it makes sense. He's the only person in the world that we know that may stand a chance against a very crazy individual with psychic powers. It wouldn't make sense for him to be normal.    And everyone knows that and acts accordingly.  And with that striking view of the doomsday, we conclude this update. Next Time! BOSS FIGHT! BOSS FIGHT! More plot! More poo poo happening! 
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I've beaten this game three times and I had still forgotten everything (gameplay related) about the Temple of Ancients. No wonder what with those annoying puzzles.
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Ohh, yes. This is a part I remember clear as anything. The screenshots do it pretty good justice, but you get inside this Temple, and Sephiroth is flashing around the screen, all while THAT MUSIC plays... it's really creepy. Great atmosphere in the Temple of the Ancients, and it's not even done yet!
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During Cloud's freakout/overlapping sprite thing at the end, I remember him making larger poses so it was more obvious what they were doing. Am I remembering incorrectly? Also, it's really hard to get this entire section in screenshot form. For example, while you're crossing the room and Sephiroth is monologuing to you, he's teleporting further in every time you complete a segment of his speech. It's really disconcerting, and only adds to the eery atmosphere and insanity of what he's talking about. Also, from what we can see now, his plan is to punch the Earth so hard it bleeds, and then live in the scab to become one with it. I don't know whether that's just crazy or crazy awesome. Interesting note from Sephiroth noclipping all over the loving place, making projections (clones? How can we even loving know!), and teleporting: we get the feeling that not only is he a super powerful supersoldier, but that he's not even really a part of this world. He's essentially breaking multiple physical laws and in general making reality, or how we perceive it, his bitch. It's around this time that you're forced to question what we're actually fighting here, and do we really stand a chance against it? In direct contrast to how he was acting in the flashback, he's acting more like an extraplanar being than a man now. Twiddy fucked around with this message at 13:50 on Jun 12, 2012 |
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I forgot about that door thing. That poo poo was annoying. I do love when Sephiroth stabs the ground to hurt the planet. Also that last picture in your update is perfect
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Twiddy posted:During Cloud's freakout/overlapping sprite thing at the end, I remember him making larger poses so it was more obvious what they were doing. Am I remembering incorrectly? His idle animation turns into a kind of laughing/jiggling fit and he does his normal poses a lot. The more transparent Cloud is always a second behind the opaque one in animations.
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Elentor posted:I said I am going to show every date in future updates. Elentor posted:One per update for the next 4 updates. Shouldn't take long, I'll get these done this week. Not that I mean to complain, but what happened to this? I was actually looking forward to the last ones.
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Despite the increased damage when alone and Aerated necessarily ending battles alone, I never have her use a physical attack after getting the Princess Guard. 
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Man with Hat posted:Not that I mean to complain, but what happened to this? I was actually looking forward to the last ones. I thought the update was too long as it was and decided to skip the next date to the next update (and the one after). Don't worry, I don't forget these things. Orange Fluffy Sheep posted:Despite the increased damage when alone and Aerated necessarily ending battles alone, I never have her use a physical attack after getting the Princess Guard. Oh boy are you in for a treat.
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I think I love every scene in the game with Sephiroth's creepy music.
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Elentor posted:Oh boy are you in for a treat. No, it'll be you when you see what I did with the first boss of Disc 2. It has gifs.
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Elentor posted:And it makes sense. He's the only person in the world that we know that may stand a chance against a very crazy individual with psychic powers. It wouldn't make sense for him to be normal. I think a different reading is in order here. The guys aren't following Cloud because they think he's the only one who stands a chance against Sephiroth. All they know about Sephiroth is that he's powerful, is looking for the same Promised Land that Shinra is, and that Cloud has a grudge against him. They're following him because he seems to have a purpose, and has actually been pretty good at hiding/brushing aside his moments of weakness. Most of them are pretty much broken beyond that; Cloud probably inspires them to some extent. If on the other hand they knew about Cloud's moments of weakness, and thought that Sephiroth might be able to find and exploit those (as this most recent breakdown seems to suggest), I'm not so sure they'd be so comfortable following him around.
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Indeterminacy posted:Hold on a second, let me get to grips with Sephiroth here. We know he's got Jenova DNA or whatever, and that as a member of Soldier he's probably also basically got Materia Blood. So he's stupid strong. But psychic? Is Sephiroth mind-reading now? You're reading way too much into my comment. I'm just going with the flow and the information at hand. Right now we don't know poo poo about Sephiroth or Cloud and anything's possible.
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They're following Cloud because he has the highest stats in the game.
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Elentor posted:Tseng is injured, but he didn't die.  (Well, the Tseng thing is at least vague enough to be debatable. There are far worse death retcons.) Nice touch with the S&K mural. Both that and the FFVII murals were mind-blowing to a young me and have a nice little nostalgiac place in my brain.
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VagueRant posted:Compilation! Compilationing! Stop it! Noooo! Argh! I think the Gaia thing was there at the Ultimania guide. In any case FF7's world is a literal interpretation of the Gaia hypothesis so it's really the best name they could come up either way. About Tseng - I'm going with the official story when it's applicable, as much as the EU sucks. But I thought when I first played the game he was injured but going to survive.
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For whatever reason the Nail Bat is one of the things I remember most about this game. The Nail Bat rules. It's the greatest weapon in any game and when I found that chest as a kid it was hilarious for no reason.
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How does Sephiroth know his plan will, y'know... work? Oh, I mean I buy the whole Meteor-makes-the-Lifestream-respond-to-the-injury thing, sure, that's sensible assuming that those things work the way they do. But how does he know being at the center of the Lifestream upswell is going to let him absorb all the power or whatever? How can he be sure it won't overwhelm and destroy him, or he'll absorb too much and die, or he just won't be able to absorb all of it and will merely become Somewhat More Awesome rather than God?
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Nakar posted:How does Sephiroth know his plan will, y'know... work? He doesn't, he's batshit insane.
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Nakar posted:How does Sephiroth know his plan will, y'know... work? Speaking of, why do animay baddies wind up being or wanting to become God? As Bender showed us, being put in that position is probably the worst punishment imaginable for a mortal conscience. Of course, Sephiroth is cuckoo bananas, so whether or not his plan would actually work is irrelevant: He's going to do it, and most of the people on the planet are going to die from it, so it's up to our heroes to stop him.
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Triskelli posted:Speaking of, why do animay baddies wind up being or wanting to become God? An ego so loving huge like you wouldn't believe. These guys have senses of self-worth so big they have their own postal codes.
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Orange Fluffy Sheep posted:An ego so loving huge like you wouldn't believe. These guys have senses of self-worth so big they have their own postal codes. Let's not sell them short. Kuja has an ego bigger than the entirety of the world map for FF9.
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Oh, oh! Teacher, I have another question! ...Why did the Ancients create Meteor in the first place? If it's so powerful it "threatens the life of the planet," why would you ever have any occasion to use it? Did they just wake up one day and decide they might wanna destroy the world? Did they need it to shoot down incoming Lavos spawn? What possible purpose would something like that serve for them other than being the means of life's own undoing? And if you did develop it and realized later how strong it was, why would you leave references to it everywhere for some lunatic thousands of years later to find?
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Nakar posted:Oh, oh! Teacher, I have another question! Maybe it wasn't the ancients. Maybe the lifestream/gaia went through some Old testament god phase.
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You know, given how much he talks about his mum, my head keeps comparing Sephiroth to Norman Bates 
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Nakar posted:Oh, oh! Teacher, I have another question! That's assuming they literally crafted the spells. I know it's referred to a few times as "the wisdom of the Ancients" - but there's nothing there that says they deliberately crafted it. It's entirely possible they were just discovered things, and stumbled upon Meteor. I don't remember them leaving references "everywhere" - it's basically just here, the Temple, and it's pretty obvious they created the temple to secure the spell away. And left themselves a possibility of getting to it, just in case they DID need it. (There are references that the Temple contained more of the Ancients' wisdom/power/whatever the hell the game calls it now, but the temple could have had more than one use.)
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Unless I'm mistaken, if you hang around at the pool, a ghostly image of Sephiroth appears and slowly sinks into it. It's actually pretty unsettling.
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SirPhoebos posted:You know, given how much he talks about his mum, my head keeps comparing Sephiroth to Norman Bates Given what I've heard of the guy, that's really not too far off.
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