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Star War Sex Parrot posted:Intel can try to shove it down as many OEM's throats as they want, but if it costs an extra dollar (I'm making up an arbitrary number) per motherboard to include, then manufacturers will continue to ignore Thunderbolt except in workstation or high-end motherboards. It also doesn't help that the low-end consumer display market will probably never adopt TB or even DP - if Intel forced motherboard makers using their chipsets to drop DVI/VGA (why the gently caress are motherboards still shipping with VGA outputs, this is 2012) and forced them to use a TB port for video out, that might shift things.
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And apparently they're being anal about who gets to make peripherals if you believe the (kind of  sounding) ViDock guy, apparently he's going to try legal action to get his dev kit. I wonder whether Intel is somehow still supply restrained or if they're just loving the smaller hardware devs.
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Bob Morales posted:I (why the gently caress are motherboards still shipping with VGA outputs, this is 2012) old projectors and display tech. Usually stuff you find in offices and government facilities.
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Decius posted:old projectors, beamers and display tech. Usually stuff you find in offices and government facilities. What was the last Apple computer to ship with a VGA port? G3 iMac? Just curious.
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Bob Morales posted:What was the last Apple computer to ship with a VGA port? G3 iMac? And does mini VGA count? They had that on the iBooks up until the MacBooks came out I think (which had mini DVI).
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japtor posted:...I don't even remember whether those iMacs had video output. My G4 AlBook had Mini-DVI, so it was sometime before that.
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Decius posted:old projectors and display tech. Usually stuff you find in offices and government facilities. If only there were some way to connect a modern device to old equipment without having to include a giant plug on the main board.
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Bob Morales posted:It also doesn't help that the low-end consumer display market will probably never adopt TB or even DP - if Intel forced motherboard makers using their chipsets to drop DVI/VGA (why the gently caress are motherboards still shipping with VGA outputs, this is 2012) and forced them to use a TB port for video out, that might shift things. Yeah I wonder why it's not more popular given that it's owned by Intel on the technical and not some sort of secret license standard. It's a really interesting concept since allows to do away with a pile of different connector types for video and ethernet. etalian fucked around with this message at 00:18 on Jun 30, 2012 |
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The hardware is expensive, and it's difficult to write proper hot-plug drivers since PCIe is not a hot-plug interface by itself. Compare that to slapping down a $5 plug and interface designed for hot-swap which your engineers have been hooking up and writing drivers for for years.
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Arrowsmith posted:My G4 AlBook had Mini-DVI, so it was sometime before that. My G4 833 tibook had a full dvi port
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ZShakespeare posted:If only there were some way to connect a modern device to old equipment without having to include a giant plug on the main board.
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cheese eats mouse posted:Would the genius bar have any old 2007 MBP batteries laying around? I need to know if the trip out that way would be worth it. I can never get a live person on the line when I call. Unfortunately, a lot of Genius Bars have the batteries for testing, but without a MacBook Pro of that era, no actual way of charging them It's a ridiculous situation, but there's 4 at my store like that.
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Bob Morales posted:It also doesn't help that the low-end consumer display market will probably never adopt TB or even DP - if Intel forced motherboard makers using their chipsets to drop DVI/VGA (why the gently caress are motherboards still shipping with VGA outputs, this is 2012) and forced them to use a TB port for video out, that might shift things. Intel, AMD, and a few other companies have promised to drop VGA/DVI support in favor of DP/HDMI by 2015 though, and the cost of support for the old standards is apparently a major reason for the move. Excuse my possible ignorance, but isn't that basically the demise of VGA-out on future PCs?
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Argali posted:So does anyone have any inkling as to when we can expect the next wave of iMacs? If you mean a major update, rumor is retina screen iMacs will ship in 2013. I really can't wait to see the 27" retina display they're purportedly working on, that poo poo will be insane.
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It'll be amazing, although I don't see what's particularly technically difficult about applying the engineering of high density displays to larger sizes.
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mediaphage posted:Nobody cares when your MacBook Pro is going to arrive, for pete's sake. I care. Some have us have been waiting for several weeks now. On thunderbolt: I have a Thunderbolt display and a Matrox thunderbolt video capture card. Both own.
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fleshweasel posted:It'll be amazing, although I don't see what's particularly technically difficult about applying the engineering of high density displays to larger sizes. Beyond that... - A 27 inch retina display has nearly 15 million pixels, and I haven't researched this, but I imagine the GPU needed to push that much doesn't exist yet. (For reference, this is 2.7x the number of pixels in the retina Mac Book Pro, which is itself quite taxing on its GPU.) - Not an issue with an iMac, but for external displays, I'm told Thunderbolt may not be able to push that much data at 60fps.
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Bob Morales posted:What was the last Apple computer to ship with a VGA port? G3 iMac? The early Ti Powerbooks had a full sized VGA port before switching to DVI for later models.
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Small White Dragon posted:I don't work in display manufacturing, but scaling up these processes, you run into a few issues, among them, yield and cost. IIRC, there's a small probability of a problem with a given pixel, and when you multiply that across a larger number of pixels, the probably of a given display being defective increases. It's possible that apple would make retina iMacs at a middle ground between 21.5" and 27" or just 21.5". Considering the rMBP was accompanied by an overall redesign it's not out of the question. I think bandwidth must still be a concern with an iMac because there has to be SOME way of pushing the pixels to the GPU, and it's hard to think of something beefier than thunderbolt.
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fleshweasel posted:It's possible that apple would make retina iMacs at a middle ground between 21.5" and 27" or just 21.5". Considering the rMBP was accompanied by an overall redesign it's not out of the question. I think bandwidth must still be a concern with an iMac because there has to be SOME way of pushing the pixels to the GPU, and it's hard to think of something beefier than thunderbolt. I don't know if they'd sell a display that requires two TB connections, but at least there's one desktop and one laptop that can do it now  .
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So I marched into the Apple store today and used SetRes.app to change the resolution on the RMBP to 1440x900. Defintely fixes the FPS issue but looks godawful. I hope ML is Apple's version of Project Butter.
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Why are people saying it looks godawful? For gently caress's sake, a month ago, it was the standard model.
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To carry videos around to show people, and to look at .pdfs, and do light computer stuff, MacBook Air 11" or iPad? How easy is it to choose one or the other to hook up to a TV and use a remote for stuff? Right now I have my iPod Touch which is fine but it's old enough that the videos I can transfer to it are VHS quality basically. So I say to myself, Any feedback at all would be helpful. Adapter costs, whether buying one or the other used would make sense, etc.
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EVERYTHING I SAY ABOUT JAPAN OR LIVING IN JAPAN IS COMPLETELY WRONG, BUT YOU BETTER BELIEVE I'LL 
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kapalama posted:To carry videos around to show people, and to look at .pdfs, and do light computer stuff, MacBook Air 11" or iPad? There's an adapter to connect an iPad to a TV - the one for the MacBooks is even cheaper: http://store.apple.com/us/product/MD098 The iPad is half the price (if not 1/3rd) of the Air, has a longer lasting battery, but it is 'just a tablet'. It's better for viewing PDF's and movies on, though.
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Bob Morales posted:There's an adapter to connect an iPad to a TV - the one for the MacBooks is even cheaper: Thanks. I am not sure about one thing. Obviously with the computer, the screen orientation stays as is for the TV. How does that work with an iPad. Does it rotate the image sent to the TV? ) iPad question I know, but it is how to choose one of the other.
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kapalama posted:Thanks. I am not sure about one thing. Obviously with the computer, the screen orientation stays as is for the TV. How does that work with an iPad. Does it rotate the image sent to the TV? ) Depends on the output method. If you're using TV as second display, it should show the video landscape appropriately. If you use TV as an iPad mirror, then it will squish into portrait or expand out to landscape as iPad does. I think.
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I'm trying to decide on a 15-inch Macbook Pro with a 2.3Ghz processor. The biggest question for me right now is whether the Retina display is worth it. Does it have any real applications for non-graphic artists/developers/photographers? I'm a computer engineering student so I mostly need power, a secure system and access to a Unix based operating system, which is why I'm really leaning towards a Mac. Is the 2.3Ghz macbook pro capable of playing Valve and Blizzard games and comfortable settings? The GPU seems to be a 512MB Nvidia GT 650M, which is weaker than the standard 1GB version.
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Bob Morales posted:It also doesn't help that the low-end consumer display market will probably never adopt TB or even DP - if Intel forced motherboard makers using their chipsets to drop DVI/VGA (why the gently caress are motherboards still shipping with VGA outputs, this is 2012) and forced them to use a TB port for video out, that might shift things. Yeah, VGA-out is almost entirely because of businesses. It's why we still see desktops shipping with PS/2 and occasionally serial connectors. I know that a lot of PC makers are looking pretty hard at incorporating Thunderbolt into products, especially Lenovo (HP, however, is really unimpressed so far). The biggest impediment to Tbolt is, of course, USB 3.0. New standard, backwards compatible, fast enough to do displays and pretty quick storage. Also, the cables don't cost $50 a pop.
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kapalama posted:To carry videos around to show people, and to look at .pdfs, and do light computer stuff, MacBook Air 11" or iPad? The issue I could see is the "use a remote" part since there's no built in remote functionality. There's media player apps that can do it, but I don't know if any pair over Bluetooth, otherwise you'd need them to be on a common network. So without a LAN you'd just be tethered to the iPad and video cable. You could also go wireless with the AppleTV but you'd still have the LAN issue...unless you also bought an AirPort Express (or other router) to make your own network on the spot. Meanwhile with a MBA...wait those don't have an IR sensor for the remote do they? If so you'd be in the same situation, stuck on cable or need some other remote setup. I imagine there would be more flexibility here as far as Bluetooth remotes at least. x-virge posted:Depends on the output method. If you're using TV as second display, it should show the video landscape appropriately. If you use TV as an iPad mirror, then it will squish into portrait or expand out to landscape as iPad does. Oh and pricing on the adapters, off the top of my head I think the VGA one is $30 while the HDMI one is $40, no cables included of course, and keep in mind with VGA you'd have to get a separate minijack cable to run audio. There's also knockoffs but I have no experience with them. For the fancy wireless method, which will also work with the MBA once Mountain Lion is out, AppleTV (no HDMI included) and AirPort Express are $100 each. Applesmack posted:I'm trying to decide on a 15-inch Macbook Pro with a 2.3Ghz processor. The biggest question for me right now is whether the Retina display is worth it. Does it have any real applications for non-graphic artists/developers/photographers? I'm a computer engineering student so I mostly need power, a secure system and access to a Unix based operating system, which is why I'm really leaning towards a Mac. Is the 2.3Ghz macbook pro capable of playing Valve and Blizzard games and comfortable settings? The GPU seems to be a 512MB Nvidia GT 650M, which is weaker than the standard 1GB version. No clue on games but I figure worst case you can run them at 1440x900 and basically look like a regular non retina display. mediaphage posted:The biggest impediment to Tbolt is, of course, USB 3.0. New standard, backwards compatible, fast enough to do displays and pretty quick storage. Also, the cables don't cost $50 a pop.
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Applesmack posted:I'm trying to decide on a 15-inch Macbook Pro with a 2.3Ghz processor. The biggest question for me right now is whether the Retina display is worth it. Does it have any real applications for non-graphic artists/developers/photographers? I'm a computer engineering student so I mostly need power, a secure system and access to a Unix based operating system, which is why I'm really leaning towards a Mac. Is the 2.3Ghz macbook pro capable of playing Valve and Blizzard games and comfortable settings? The GPU seems to be a 512MB Nvidia GT 650M, which is weaker than the standard 1GB version. The text and clarity of the screen is absolutely insane. If the software you use is updated for it I think it's a major upgrade for anyone no matter what they use the computer for. The clarity and detail of everything is that awesome. (And actually if you are a graphic designer / photographer, it kind of sucks right now because Photoshop isn't updated for retina's yet) There's also less glare from the screen and the viewing angle is much better if you're using it anywhere where space is an issue such as a desk in class or an airplane seat. I've also noticed less eye strain. In fact, looking at my old MBP when transfering files over within a week of using it I almost think something was wrong with my display it looks so washed out and terrible. Also with the included SSD and 8gb ram it is really, really fast loading programs and saving large files.
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They replaced the dashboard button on the new MacBooks with a one that starts launchpad. Can I change what that button does? I'm one of the few that actually likes the dashboard.
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I've got fans running full tilt on a MacPro 1.1. Its not CPU load as there isn't any. I think I might need to run a thermal calibration. Does anyone know what version of ASD I should be using on the 1.1? The latest?
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Is there a known issue with putting your computer to sleep when it's booted in Windows 7? My 2011 MBP apparently needs a battery replacement now, but I'm unsure if it's just a bad battery or if I did something wrong (it is only a year old).
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Shaocaholica posted:I've got fans running full tilt on a MacPro 1.1. Its not CPU load as there isn't any. I think I might need to run a thermal calibration. Does anyone know what version of ASD I should be using on the 1.1? The latest? Did you try resetting the SMC? The technology used by Intel for its CPUs is totally different than the G5 and it's handled by the SMC anyway, there's no ASD that has that function for Mac Pros.
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So I just bought a new Macbook Air and I am very, very impressed by this little machine. The gestures make it so much easier to use than a windows laptop, I don't know why Apple doesn't hammer those things home in their ads. The concept of window management is pretty much useless to me, since with 2 flicks I can go from using one app taking up the entire screen to another app. Of all the things I thought I'd like most about this thing, I can't believe it's the trackpad... One minor gripe: clicking on the trackpad makes a pretty loud noise when I'm on skype/facetime. It seems to annoy the hell out of people I'm videochatting with. I've just enabled one-touch to click in the trackpad settings so it's not a major issue but just annoying. moon demon fucked around with this message at 03:05 on Jul 1, 2012 |
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chupacabraTERROR posted:So I just bought a new Macbook Air and I am very, very impressed by this little machine. The gestures make it so much easier to use than a windows laptop, I don't know why Apple doesn't hammer those things home in their ads. The concept of window management is pretty much useless to me, since with 2 flicks I can go from using one app taking up the entire screen to another app. Of all the things I thought I'd like most about this thing, I can't believe it's the trackpad... The trackpad click being loud is the one bad thing about the trackpad, imo. Otherwise, I agree with you. The MacBook XYZ is the one kind of computer I can take with me and not be crippled without an external mouse, not counting, by and large, gaming.
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chupacabraTERROR posted:
I pretty much just use one-touch click exclusively -- using non-Apple trackpads is now akward. Question for anyone who can help: I've got a 2010 MBA (The one with Nvidia 320M) and it's the maxed out version. When plugged into an external monitor, is having the laptop open as a second monitor using a lot of memory? Do most of you keep your screen shut as you use the laptop as a desktop (so to speak)? I'm noticing lag -- but was wondering if it's simply more pixels to power, more lag. Hence, close the screen.. As an aside..spaces/mission control does a reasonable job of emulating a multi monitor setup.
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mediaphage posted:The trackpad click being loud is the one bad thing about the trackpad, imo. Exactly. I don't have to bring a BT mouse like I used to. And the clicking really didn't bother me at all when I was getting used to it, it only bothers people when I'm videochatting. The actual noise isn't that loud, but I guess it's really amplified by the mic. Maybe it's because the metal body is so small, there's very little room for the click impact to dissipate? Judging by the results of my google search on the subject, it seems people with the thicker MBPs don't notice it as much. I don't know...
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Crossbar posted:They replaced the dashboard button on the new MacBooks with a one that starts launchpad. Can I change what that button does? I'm one of the few that actually likes the dashboard. If Dashboard is set up to be a full-screen space (that's the default now), you can use the three-or-more finger trackpad swipe gesture to get to it quickly. The other thing to try is different modifier keys in combination with the Launchpad key. I'm not finding documentation on what they might do.
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