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I saw this in the Lego thread in DIY. Want. Click here to view the full image It was shown at Comic-Con.
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Mr. Gibbycrumbles posted:Some arse-slappingly good close-ups of the troll's faces here: I'm not sure I like how the trolls look just like the ones in lord of the rings. Presumably, unless PJ deviated from the book completely, the scene with the trolls talking will be in the movie. The trolls in LOTOR grunt and act very animalistic, whereas the trolls in The Hobbit are supposed to be at least somewhat intelligent rather than basically mindless beasts. Also they are supposed to be a different kind of troll than the ones in LOTOR, but that's just me being a sperg. I think the main thing for me is it will seem a bit strange how dumb the trolls in LOTOR seem after seeing talking ones in the Hobbit, and potentially jarring to a viewer unaquainted with the books. e: Also for a site that's been around for years and presumably makes a fair amount of money good lord is the layout of aintitcool hideous
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Jul 13, 2012 07:33
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Vigilance posted:I'm not sure I like how the trolls look just like the ones in lord of the rings. Presumably, unless PJ deviated from the book completely, the scene with the trolls talking will be in the movie. The trolls in LOTOR grunt and act very animalistic, whereas the trolls in The Hobbit are supposed to be at least somewhat intelligent rather than basically mindless beasts. Also they are supposed to be a different kind of troll than the ones in LOTOR, but that's just me being a sperg. I think the main thing for me is it will seem a bit strange how dumb the trolls in LOTOR seem after seeing talking ones in the Hobbit, and potentially jarring to a viewer unaquainted with the books. They showed the petrified trolls in FOTR, so they can't deviate too much, but the faces clearly has more character in those photos than they did in FOTR, so they did what they could. Also the fact they are a different kind could explain why the trolls in The Hobbit are smarter, simply explained by a throw away line somewhere. It's atrocious that AICN is still putting up 640×400 pictures in 2012. Everything about that site is horrible, except their behind the scenes feature.
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Jul 13, 2012 08:00
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The only trolls that they look like in Lord of the Rings were the ones that were statues, which is exactly the same ones these are. All the living trolls we saw in those movies were the noseless cave trolls, which are different from these guys that have noses, ears, and even beards it looks like. http://fi.somethingawful.com/is/img29/8114/cavetroll.jpg The cave troll. These are the guys we saw in motion in Moria and during the Siege of Gondor. http://fi.somethingawful.com/is/img502/8696/stonetrolls.jpg A figure recreation of "Mr. Bilbo's trolls", which we saw in the Fellowship film.
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Jul 13, 2012 08:07
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Ok, word coming out of Comic-con, is that the Wargs will speak to each other (albeit in a made-up guttural language) - ok not really a spoiler if you've read the book, but let's be honest, all bets were off as to whether that detail would be included in the film. Also, the chief of the wargs will be a giant white wolf. Additionally, Bifur will speak only in Khuzdûl, because his special injury has affected his language skills apparently http://www.elendilion.pl/2012/07/13/g-i-p-report-dwalins-runes-orkrist-thranduil-and-wargs/ See the above link for this info, as well as some über-spergy attention to detail with the Dwarven runes on weapons. Mr. Gibbycrumbles fucked around with this message at 09:17 on Jul 13, 2012 |
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Jul 13, 2012 09:03
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On the back of PJ's recent statement that he's planning to shoot more footage next year, apparently a reporter in Comic-con just asked him whether this is for a third film, and PJ kind of skirted around the subject without giving a yes or a no! (This is despite Warner Bros denying this rumour a couple of days ago) I'm currently looking for a solid reference for this amusing new info... http://www.scribblelive.com/Event/The_Hobbit_Movie_from_Comic-Con_2012/34949482 Quickbeam posted:Greetings! Quickbeam here --We just talked to Peter Jackson at the press line, and he said he greatly desires to go back to film more in Middle-earth that may or may not be for home video extended editions, which were a given for the expectations of most fans, but the *really* exciting possibility of a THIRD Hobbit film is also on his mind - and he admitted it! Although he wouldn't outright commit to saying "Yes, I'm doing a 3rd film," he did NOT close the door completely, saying: "There's much more material from the Appendices of LOTR that we didn't fit in." Speculate as you will, but there is at least an outside chance this hypothetical talk could come true. Much too hasty,QuikbeamClifford BroadwayFollow me on Twitter @Quickbeam2000. Mr. Gibbycrumbles fucked around with this message at 23:34 on Jul 14, 2012 |
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Jul 14, 2012 23:25
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Yeah, I'd say there's no way he's gonna do a third film. I mean, we know the first one is gonna take us all the way to the barrel riding into long lake, so I can't image the second film will be lacking material, but a third film would have to stretch that material out quite a bit, even with the additional stuff from the appendixes.
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Jul 14, 2012 23:47
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For anyone interested, the Comic-con panel will be live blogged at comingsoon.net soon. http://www.comingsoon.net/news/movienews.php?id=92534
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Jul 14, 2012 23:55
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Trump posted:For anyone interested, the Comic-con panel will be live blogged at comingsoon.net soon. cheers, that was awesome. here's an interesting video interview with PJ and cast: http://youtu.be/PSgSZHW0q-0
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Jul 15, 2012 01:29
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Here's a pretty detailed description of the footage that was shown: http://www.theonering.net/torwp/2012/07/14/59080-the-hobbitcon-hall-h-presentation-torn-round-up-part-one/#more-59080 I just want to say - yay for Stone Giants!!! these are actually creatures made from stone according to hollywood.com
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Jul 15, 2012 12:31
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Trump posted:And I'm pretty sure it's only filmed at 48fps, though I don't know what they'll do about the lack of motion blur when it's converted to 24fps. Mr. Gibbycrumbles posted:Rewatch the trailer to see what it will look like at 24. This is correct. The film is shot at 48fps, but they have software add in motion blur as needed for 24fps conversion. It's very convincingly natural at 24fps as evidenced by all the internet trailers we've seen which are 48fps converted to 24fps.
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Jul 15, 2012 18:18
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Steve Yun posted:...but they have software add in motion blur as needed for 24fps conversion. Umm, nope. 48fps at a 270 shutter wouldn't need digital motion blur in the vast majority of situations. Adding digital motion blur isn't that easy, and doing it for an entire feature is not realistic. Maybe there's a handful of shots with unusual motion that needed some cleaning, but it's not like they're slapping a filter over the entire film. Most of the time 48fps at 270 will look very close to native 24fps at 180 after you drop frames.
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Jul 15, 2012 20:04
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So is there any chance PJ will upload the Comic-Con footage? Or is it strictly for those who got to go?
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Jul 16, 2012 01:33
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Bugblatter posted:Umm, nope. 48fps at a 270 shutter wouldn't need digital motion blur in the vast majority of situations. Adding digital motion blur isn't that easy, and doing it for an entire feature is not realistic. Maybe there's a handful of shots with unusual motion that needed some cleaning, but it's not like they're slapping a filter over the entire film. Most of the time 48fps at 270 will look very close to native 24fps at 180 after you drop frames. Hmm. I saw some tech demos by Douglas Trumbull where he was showing high fps footage and it said it had software to easily convert motion blur depending on what the final output would be. If Hobbit isn't using that system, I stand corrected!
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Jul 16, 2012 02:00
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Steve Yun posted:Hmm. I saw some tech demos by Douglas Trumbull where he was showing high fps footage and it said it had software to easily convert motion blur depending on what the final output would be. If Hobbit isn't using that system, I stand corrected! Showscan Digital? That's a 120fps format with a 360 degree shutter and a resolution equivalent to 65mm film. The final playback mixes frame-rates between 24 and 60 within the same frame, as is appropriate for different kinds of motion. So, people talking will still have the solidity of 24fps, but rapid motion, like in a car chase or fight sequence, has the clarity of 30fps, 48fps, or 60fps (Whichever is appropriate for the speed of motion). The blur information for the lower frame-rate segment of the frame is easily derived from the massive amounts of motion information gathered from the initial 120fps capture. The key is the 120fps acquisition, which was selected because it was the minimum fps needed to provide enough information for automatic motion-blur generation (It's just frame-blending with a clever algorithm). They could have just gone with 60fps if all they wanted was crystal clear movement, but the same downsampling trick doesn't work with 60fps (and especially not with 48fps). Finally, most of Showscan Digital's technology is several years away from being viable for use in a feature production, and Douglas Trumble is (as always) operating on a level far beyond his competitors. It's certainly exciting tech though. The Hobbit is using a much simpler solution (the only one which is really available with current tech). Since going from 48fps to 24fps cuts your motion information in half, they're roughly doubling each frame's exposure time. As a result 24fps will look natural... the question is, what will 48fps look like? By conventional reasoning, they're moving the shutter the wrong way, as there will be excessive blur when the film is displayed at its native frame-rate. Bugblatter fucked around with this message at 03:17 on Jul 16, 2012 |
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Jul 16, 2012 02:50
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Ash1138 posted:But it wasn't glowing in the presence of Shelob in the movie. Time for Return of the King: The Extended Special Edition! Not like Gandalf's sword glowed in the movie either  Now I want a hobbit to defeat trolls in a children's card game. It's the new riddling game! keet fucked around with this message at 04:28 on Jul 16, 2012 |
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Jul 16, 2012 04:22
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Octy posted:So is there any chance PJ will upload the Comic-Con footage? Or is it strictly for those who got to go? Annoyingly, I don't think so. However, there is the non-footage part freely available which can be found here: http://youtu.be/6N9fDM5TEUc There have however, been a lot of detailed transcripts of the dialogue from the Hobbit footage on various media sites, which leads me to believe that unless people merely got away with recording just the audio, then cheeky video recordings of the footage do exist and are being held back for legal reasons (but hopefully we might see a leak at some point).
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Jul 16, 2012 08:43
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http://www.totalfilm.com/news/peter-jackson-talks-the-hobbit-at-comic-conquote:Discusses possibility of a third movie Filming a 125 pages of additional notes which we haven't read makes me think of the notes-to-movie problems with Silmarillion even though this is during the same timeline, most likely more consistent, and probably with some of the same characters. However, if PJ thinks it's worth doing I'm going to put my faith in that and his ability, and if not, reading these notes which I had no idea existed one day would be a bonus either way. Duel fucked around with this message at 08:24 on Jul 17, 2012 |
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Jul 17, 2012 08:18
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I haven't got a copy handy but what's the general idea of what we'd be seeing in those appendices?
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Jul 17, 2012 18:30
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Nilbop posted:I haven't got a copy handy but what's the general idea of what we'd be seeing in those appendices? Just off the top of my head - and please note this is only the stuff I can think of that directly concerns characters from The Hobbit: =============== Before The Hobbit =============== - The Dwarves delve too greedily and too deep: Balrog appears in Moria and kicks out all the Dwarves. Moria then becomes populated with Sauron's creatures. - Thrain I founds the Dwarf kingdom of Erebor. - Smaug comes to Erebor and kicks the Dwarves out, and destroys Dale for good measure. - War of the Dwarves and Orcs, and more poo poo going down in Moria, culminating in the Battle of Azanulbizar, which involves and sets up a lot of the major players in The Hobbit, including the named Orc enemies, and is really, brutally violent. - Corruption of Thrain II by the ring of Durin's line - one of Sauron's Seven Rings that were gifted to the Dwarves (note, not the One Ring) and his capture and imprisonment in Dol Guldur. Sauron takes back the ring of Durin's line. - First White Council meeting. Saruman overrules the decision to attack Dol Guldur. (Saruman secretly wants the One Ring himself and goes searching for it). - How the quest in The Hobbit got started, with Gandalf randomly bumping into Thorin in the pub (in Bree), they got talking and decided it was in both of their interests to deal with Smaug. =============== During The Hobbit =============== - Second White Council meeting. Saruman agrees to attack Dol Guldur this time (because he thinks it will distract Sauron from searching for the One Ring). - Sauron's fortress of Dol Guldur attacked - Sauron is defeated and buggers off (to Mordor, as it happens). - After the Battle of Five Armies, Bard rebuilds Dale and becomes king. =============== After The Hobbit =============== - Gollum starts searching for the One Ring. Is captured and tortured in Mordor. - Sauron openly declares himself; rebuilds Barad-Dur. - Nazgul are sent to reclaim Dol Guldur. - Saruman moves into Isengard and fortifies it, but gets ensnared and corrupted by Sauron when he looks into the Orthanc-stone. - Balin starts a quest with a bunch of Dwarves to retake Moria. (one reason for the quest is that Balin thinks the ring of Durin's line ended up here when Thror died at Azanulbizar) The quest fails and they all die in Moria (surprise). - Thranduil's Realm is attacked by Sauron's army - this can be thought of as the first battle in The War of the Ring. - Thranduil wins, Dol Guldur is completely blown the gently caress up by Galadriel's magic. I would say the big problem here though, is that if a trilogy was to be made that includes The Hobbit, and all this lot, I think it makes more sense to have the first film include all the stuff I've listed that occurs before The Hobbit, with films 2 and 3 comprising the events that occur during and after. Mr. Gibbycrumbles fucked around with this message at 12:26 on Jul 18, 2012 |
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Jul 17, 2012 20:48
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There's also a poo poo load of stuff Aragorn got up to between Hobbit and LoTR. He fought against the Orcs for years, met Gandalf and Arwen, and established a guard over the Shire on Gandalf's orders. Most notably he wandered Middle Earth in disguise; becoming a captain in the armies of Rohan and Gondor. He also lead a naval invasion that burned the fleet of the Corsairs of Umbar and uprooted them from the West (part of the reason they were so ineffective in the War), fighting alonside a young Denethor. He was basically waging a pre-emtive war against the weaker allies of Mordor, knowing that some larger conflict was inevitable, because Elrond would only allow him to marry Arwen if he was King of Gondor. After winning some huge battle or another he disappeared into the East for a few years, returning only shortly before LoTR to help Gandalf find Gollum. Those few years between meeting Arwen and vanishing into the East would make an amazing film. communism bitch fucked around with this message at 21:00 on Jul 17, 2012 |
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Jul 17, 2012 20:58
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Oberleutnant posted:Aragorn stuff Yes indeed. That's another shitload of material right there. They'd have to do some serious cutting-edge makeup work to make Viggo look young though. Mr. Gibbycrumbles fucked around with this message at 21:30 on Jul 17, 2012 |
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Jul 17, 2012 21:08
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Mr. Gibbycrumbles posted:- Corruption of Thrain by the ring and his capture and imprisonment in Dol Guldur. The ring, or a ring? I don't know the backstory here.
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Jul 17, 2012 22:31
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Erwin posted:The ring, or a ring? I don't know the backstory here. Not the One Ring, just the last of the Seven.
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Jul 17, 2012 22:36
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Erwin posted:The ring, or a ring? I don't know the backstory here. Oops, sorry - it was one of the Seven rings that were given to the Dwarven kings. Made by Sauron, they were still nasty bits of work but the Dwarves as a whole were not very affected by them; Dwarves are very strong-minded and resistant to being controlled, and thus all the rings really did to them was make them greedier and more determined to seek gold and treasure. Thus Thrain went off to Erebor to try to get back some of his gold, but Sauron's forces got to him first. EDIT: I should mention though that a significant chunk of what I listed has been filmed, and will be cut into the two Hobbit films, but obviously from PJ's comments there's so much good stuff that a 3rd film is becoming a possibility. Mr. Gibbycrumbles fucked around with this message at 23:11 on Jul 17, 2012 |
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Jul 17, 2012 22:38
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Hi-res photos of the latest images here: http://www.elanillounico.com/modules.php?name=News&file=article&sid=3082 Gollum looks especially good.
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Mr. Gibbycrumbles posted:Hi-res photos of the latest images here: URGGGHHHH. This movie cannot come out soon enough.
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Jul 18, 2012 00:35
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Why does Sauron want the rings back in the events before FOTR? Wasn't the whole point of the one ring to subvert whoever used the others? The men were corrupted and the elves were forced to hide the rings (and I think the elvish rings were a special case that were less connected), so why track down the dwarvish rings?
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Jul 18, 2012 10:08
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Algol Star posted:Why does Sauron want the rings back in the events before FOTR? Wasn't the whole point of the one ring to subvert whoever used the others? The men were corrupted and the elves were forced to hide the rings (and I think the elvish rings were a special case that were less connected), so why track down the dwarvish rings? As far as I am aware, Tolkien never really gave much of an explanation (others please correct me if I'm wrong) for why Sauron hunted down the Seven rings. It was very true that the effect that those rings had on the Dwarves was not what Sauron wanted (it just made them go out and hoard treasure), so his plan to control the Dwarves failed in that sense, and maybe Sauron was just thinking "Well, sod you Dwarves, I'll have them back then!". Maybe they possessed some minor aspect of Sauron's power that he could use again to make himself stronger (like lesser versions of the One Ring).
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I believe Gibby is correct with them possessing a minor part of Sauron's powers. As I recall, the reason the elvish rings didn't work quite like the others was because they used Sauron's craft, but had no part of Sauron actually in them. The nine and the seven did though.
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Jul 18, 2012 12:23
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Mr. Gibbycrumbles posted:They'd have to do some serious cutting-edge makeup work to make Viggo look young though. I don't care, they need to do it anyway.
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Jul 18, 2012 14:40
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Interestingly while the Elven rings were not connected enough to Sauron to be controlled by him, they lost all of their power when he "died". Though that could also have just been the change of eras and magic leaving the world.
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Jul 18, 2012 14:44
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Oberleutnant posted:There's also a poo poo load of stuff Aragorn got up to between Hobbit and LoTR. He fought against the Orcs for years, met Gandalf and Arwen, and established a guard over the Shire on Gandalf's orders. Most notably he wandered Middle Earth in disguise; becoming a captain in the armies of Rohan and Gondor. He also lead a naval invasion that burned the fleet of the Corsairs of Umbar and uprooted them from the West (part of the reason they were so ineffective in the War), fighting alonside a young Denethor. I would be very happy with an Aragorn focused LOTR prequel film, with elements of the Silmarillion story of Beren paralleled or referenced/retold throughout. Beach fucked around with this message at 16:00 on Jul 18, 2012 |
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Jul 18, 2012 15:58
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Beach posted:I would be very happy with an Aragorn focused LOTR prequel film, with elements of the Silmarillion story of Beren paralleled or referenced/retold throughout. Good luck getting Viggo to sign on for this. I have a feeling he'd (rightly) pass on this, thinking he's already committed years of his life (and being away from his son/family) to this and probably wouldn't want to spend more time or worse, tarnish it. Plus it isn't like he hurts for roles. It would actually be fun to cast a younger actor anyway if you did it right.
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kiimo posted:It would actually be fun to cast a younger actor anyway if you did it right. What about Stuart Townsend? 
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Jul 18, 2012 16:16
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MortonTheCranium posted:What about Stuart Townsend? I'd do that, but then re-cast him at the last minute because he's too old really to play a young Aragorn.
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Jul 18, 2012 17:13
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Mr. Gibbycrumbles posted:I'd do that, but then re-cast him at the last minute because he's too old really to play a young Aragorn. Nicolas Cage still retains his youthful looks, though.
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I could see Fassbender as Aragorn in "The Young Aragorn Adventures; The Lord of the Rings Chronicles volume 6"
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Oh poo poo, of course. I was struggling to think of a good actor who had the right look, but the Fass is goddamn perfect. Jesus, I'm now geeking out over the thought of a Fassbender-led Aragorn origins story 
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