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Powdered Toast Man posted:So, I'm in a pretty difficult situation and I'm looking for some advice. I have the exact drive with the same problem. I have had 3-4 M4's die out of 50 or so. All end up freezing, locking up, randomly being accessible/detected. What firmware was on it?
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Space Gopher posted:If he's a C-level at a company worth the better part of a billion dollars, and he has no backups, don't gently caress with it yourself. Send it out to a big-name service like DriveSavers. It'll cost a few grand at minimum, but hey, he's Mr. Important. I considered updating the firmware but I was scared to do so. How does recovery even work on an SSD? I mean, with an HDD if the electronics are hosed they just put the platters in another drive. That isn't exactly possible with an SSD. 5,184 hours also doesn't jive because this SSD was purchased and installed in February of this year. It's not an issue of the drive not responding. It's I/O errors and filesystem issues so I'm wondering if there's anything wrong with the drive itself, electronically speaking. It's just bizarre to me that small files open up or copy perfectly but it balks when I try to copy a 4GB PST file. Also I do not know if TRIM was enabled and I have no idea how to find out. One other thing I can say is that there appears to be more space occupied on the drive than there should be. I've got photorec running on it overnight to see what I can get.
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Jul 17, 2012 04:18
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Alereon posted:OCZ has announced that their upcoming Barefoot 3 controller has taped out, and that they expect to begin selling their drives between April-June of 2013. Of course, this should be treated with immense skepticism, as their previous controller launch turned out to be a hoax (the Everest controller, which was a relabeled Marvell controller). IT blocks are licensed from a third party? Sounds like another "custom firmware" situation.
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Jul 17, 2012 04:24
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Australian Goons: Scorptec are currently doing OEM LiteOn 256GB SATAIII (Marvell controller) SSDs for $185
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Jul 17, 2012 04:48
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Powdered Toast Man posted:5,184 hours also doesn't jive because this SSD was purchased and installed in February of this year. It's not an issue of the drive not responding. It's I/O errors and filesystem issues so I'm wondering if there's anything wrong with the drive itself, electronically speaking. It's just bizarre to me that small files open up or copy perfectly but it balks when I try to copy a 4GB PST file. You could maybe use dd to copy smaller chunks of the file at a time to a set of partial copies, then join them together. edit: example below code:This would yield 1gb partial files that you could then join together with cat: code:sleepy gary fucked around with this message at 06:07 on Jul 17, 2012 |
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Jul 17, 2012 05:59
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LaptopGun posted:I bought a Intel x-25 g2 160GB
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Jul 17, 2012 12:50
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Josh Lyman posted:IT blocks are licensed from a third party? Sounds like another "custom firmware" situation.
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I upgraded my workstation SSD's so I put the vertex 3 in my company DB server because I'm curious to see if there's any truth to the bashing of ocz ssd's in the thread other than reading amazon reviews and competitors publishing articles about why ocz are scammers because they put cheap memory in cheap drives. DB is used by our exchange server and intranet so that should put enough stress on the drive to make it fail if it's as bad as you guys say it is. Will report when it fails
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Jul 17, 2012 15:16
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Sh4 posted:I upgraded my workstation SSD's so I put the vertex 3 in my company DB server because I'm curious to see if there's any truth to the bashing of ocz ssd's in the thread other than reading amazon reviews and competitors publishing articles about why ocz are scammers because they put cheap memory in cheap drives. Are you going to get fired when your server BSOD's in the middle of the day and everyones data gets lost?
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Jul 17, 2012 15:19
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You mean other than the personal reports of BSODs and other OCZ related drive failures reported in this thread already in addition to all that other crap?
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Jul 17, 2012 15:22
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Bob Morales posted:Are you going to get fired when your server BSOD's in the middle of the day and everyones data gets lost? No, there's a slave DB server edit: if I was convinced they were perfectly reliable I wouldn't be doing this experiment, if after 1 year it's still working great I'll consider that according to my own tests people are blowing isolated issues out of proportions. But if there is any issue with this setup I'll reckon it's time to stop buying OCZ and that there's indeed some danger using these disks Sh4 fucked around with this message at 15:29 on Jul 17, 2012 |
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Jul 17, 2012 15:23
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Firmware update to 000F did not help. I'm trying systemrescuecd next to see if I can do anything with ddrescure. Photorec managed to recover ~40GB but it was all small files, so I guess it didn't even try with the big ones. In other news, I want to murder my coworker.
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Jul 17, 2012 15:31
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Jul 17, 2012 15:40
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Bob Morales posted:I love this picture: What the gently caress does that even mean? 
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Jul 17, 2012 15:45
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I'd guess the x-axis should be labelled as bandwidth in gb/s or somesuch, but it's still humorously poor due to raw bandwidth not being a great metric for performance.
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Jul 17, 2012 15:55
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Bob Morales posted:I love this picture: Is this the new X-Fi graph?
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Jul 17, 2012 16:00
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Sh4 posted:No, there's a slave DB server So you're going to assess the quality control issues across multiple of a company's product lines with a sample size of one, and that one drive has already been functioning flawlessly for a while?
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Jul 17, 2012 16:18
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Factory Factory posted:So you're going to assess the quality control issues across multiple of a company's product lines with a sample size of one, and that one drive has already been functioning flawlessly for a while? Yeah, sorry I don't have 2 grands to buy more disks and put them into intensive testing so I can give you more accurate results, seriously what do you me to do ? I happen to only buy OCZ SSD's, never had any problem with any of them and wanted to try consumer level SSD's in a production DB server, also I'm pretty certain databases are putting more stress on a disk than browsing forums on a macbook so it's my opinion that it should also be a real test to this particular drive reliability, let me know if you have a better idea/ done better testing
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Jul 17, 2012 16:34
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I don't think anyone expects you to do anything, but making statements that suggest you're classifying the reliability of a line of drives based off the performance of one and discounting everyone else's issues as "overblown" sounds pretty dumb.
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Jul 17, 2012 16:36
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ddrescue has so far been able to recover the large files.  ...still gonna kill a bitch, though. 
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Also, seriously, testing drive reliability of proven unreliable drives in a production server? You're what's wrong with IT.
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Jul 17, 2012 17:51
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DNova posted:You could maybe use dd to copy smaller chunks of the file at a time to a set of partial copies, then join them together. Powdered Toast Man has already figured this out, but you've just describe a poor man's ddrescue (which, BTW, is an awesome recovery tool).
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Jul 17, 2012 18:10
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Zhentar posted:Powdered Toast Man has already figured this out, but you've just describe a poor man's ddrescue (which, BTW, is an awesome recovery tool). Yeah, I love ddrescue, but it sounded like there were a few specific large files to grab, and in that case it would be safer to run dd manually rather than ddrescue the entire disk, assuming the disk is failing and should be handled as minimally as possible.
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Jul 17, 2012 18:27
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Krakkles posted:Also, seriously, testing drive reliability of proven unreliable drives in a production server? You're what's wrong with IT. Because obviously the best way to test reliability is to to install it on a test server, install windows and let it idle or run useless stress tools. In case the drive fails or causes BSOD it'll take the same time to replace it than it took to put the SSD in there in the first place which is 15 minutes without any downtime, I'm maybe what's wrong with IT but at least I know that with a redundant database setup I could run the master on a pentium mmx pos with known faulty parts and it wouldn't change anything nor cause downtime.
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Sh4 posted:Because obviously the best way to test reliability is to to install it on a test server, install windows and let it idle or run useless stress tools.
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Jul 17, 2012 19:44
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I'm waiting for a good deal on a 240GB or maybe a 120GB SSD this week. Maybe they just all sold out last week?
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I have an OCZ Vertex which I guess makes me an idiot because I wasn't on this website when I bought the drive and followed the advice of Maximum PC or something.  It seems to run fine, although I've been having boot issues and I also can't put my computer to sleep. I believe the boot issues were because of my hosed video card, which I've since replaced, but I'm not sure because I only just replaced the card with a new GTX 670. What's usually the problem with the OCZs? Would it be worth it to buy a different SSD for peace of mind and to see if it fixes my boot/sleep problems? If I remember correctly, the sleep problem did start after my last big upgrade, which included the OCZ. Most importantly, since I'm using the SSD as my system disk, is there an easy way of switching over to a new one without reinstalling Windows? Martello fucked around with this message at 21:41 on Jul 17, 2012 |
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toplitzin posted:Woot has a bunch of refurb Corsair SSD's on sale. Refurbs with limited warranties are definitely not worth it. You'll find that they will break after 30 days. If they had any faith in them they would give you a decent warranty. edit: Based on my anecdotal experience.
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Jul 17, 2012 21:56
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Bob Morales posted:I'm waiting for a good deal on a 240GB or maybe a 120GB SSD this week. Maybe they just all sold out last week? The Crucial M4 and Samsung 830 256GB models are both sub $1/gig. Newegg has both for 209 right now I believe. I saw a 128GB M4 for 90 bucks the other day from Tiger Direct.
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Martello posted:I have an OCZ Vertex which I guess makes me an idiot because I wasn't on this website when I bought the drive and followed the advice of Maximum PC or something. They're known to be the least reliable of the SSD's. Have your poo poo backed up and you'll be fine. You can use clonezilla to copy an image from one SSD to another.
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Jago posted:They're known to be the least reliable of the SSD's. Have your poo poo backed up and you'll be fine. You can use clonezilla to copy an image from one SSD to another. Weren't the original Vertexes actually alright? I certainly remember the early V2s were. Let's not forgot that this very thread was recommending V2s back in the day. OCZ have pulled a lot of stupid poo poo and should certainly be avoided in general, but not every single thing they've made has been terrible.
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Tunga posted:Weren't the original Vertexes actually alright? I certainly remember the early V2s were. Let's not forgot that this very thread was recommending V2s back in the day. OCZ have pulled a lot of stupid poo poo and should certainly be avoided in general, but not every single thing they've made has been terrible. Yeah I mean the Vertex I have has always worked fine, and there definitely was a Maximum PC article that fellated it. I honestly just want an excuse to buy new hardware I don't need.
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Martello posted:I honestly just want an excuse to buy new hardware I don't need. Look at how many more...units...you get! Clearly you NEED a SATAIII drive! Get a Samsung 830 and you'll have better speed than your Vertex as well as QC and reliability second only to Intel.
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Bob Morales posted:I love this picture: I get that this is a lovely graph but I'm about to pull the trigger and I need to ask: Am I gimping myself too much by running, say, a Mushkin Enhanced Chronos drive on a Sata II connector? My 2007 computer still does its job perfectly and I'm not about to buy a new one just to run an SSD, however if an SSD is going to be running at platter drive speeds because of the old-rear end SATA II connector then I'd rather not waste my money. Edit: I did read the OP, I'm just asking if I'm better off buying an older, cheaper drive instead of a the new fancy SATA 3 ones.
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are you a super pro workstation database rear end in a top hat rich guy? then no, don't worry about it.
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Jago posted:are you a super pro workstation database rear end in a top hat rich guy? then no, don't worry about it. Not gonna lie that sound like a sweet job.
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Ur Getting Fatter posted:Am I gimping myself too much by running, say, a Mushkin Enhanced Chronos drive on a Sata II connector? I'm using a SATA 3 Mushkin Chronos in my iMac - which has a lowly SATA 2 connection. It works fine, it just peaks at 250MB/s instead of 300-something. I thought about going with an older SATA II drive but the newer drives are 'better', plus when I upgrade to a newer iMac with SATA 3, I'll get the increased speeds. Don't forget that Sandforce drives advetise huge numbers for compressible data - but you won't get that for a lot of file types.  So on incompressible data you might not get that much over SATA II speeds anyway. Edit: Even though SATA 3 blows SATA 2 away in raw benchmarks that doesn't mean real-world performance will show the same results:  Bob Morales fucked around with this message at 14:12 on Jul 18, 2012 |
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Bob Morales posted:I'm using a SATA 3 Mushkin Chronos in my iMac - which has a lowly SATA 2 connection. It works fine, it just peaks at 250MB/s instead of 300-something. I thought about going with an older SATA II drive but the newer drives are 'better', plus when I upgrade to a newer iMac with SATA 3, I'll get the increased speeds. Excellent, thanks a million for the info.
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Agility 3 120GB for $60 ($74.99 - $15 MIR) from Amazon Lightning Deal I'm going to roll the dice and stick this in a Macbook that I don't really care about. I was going to get the 240GB but I figure I can always just sell this one in the future and upgrade (it'll be cheaper then, and that way worst case I'm stuck with a $60 drive that sucks instead of a $150 one)
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The laptop in question (Dell 6420, pretty much top of the line specs) annihilated a brand new 512GB Vertex4 a few hours after we installed it. Yeah. Now I want to stab someone at Dell. So many stabbings, so little time...
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