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The only thing I'm upset about today is being cheated out of stories of how awesome Coyote is. 
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Saoshyant posted:Going on a rant here for a moment, but Coyote breaking the fourth wall is something that does not work and I hope we'll never see again. It took me away from the story immediately. Coyote can take the mooon out of the sky, create a whole race of people, make a sword out of a tooth, or split into bits and untangle himself in impossible ways. That's great, that's what we love about him. But he is part of a story, and breaking the fourth wall to remind me that I am indeed reading a story is not something I wanted to see. It's not clever and is passé as hell now that everyone and their dog already did it. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Kz_NvNLbeE0 SynthOrange posted:The only thing I'm upset about today is being cheated out of stories of how awesome Coyote is.
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Jul 25, 2012 12:22
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SynthOrange posted:The only thing I'm upset about today is being cheated out of stories of how awesome Coyote is. idonotlikepeas posted:I am seriously looking forward to seeing the way Tom illustrates a series of stories about Coyote. I can't wait for this. Awwww. Why do I feel like Coyote just tricked me, too?
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Jul 25, 2012 12:40
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Saoshyant posted:It's not clever and is passé as hell now that everyone and their dog already did it. Just because you feel other authors have abused the technique of breaking the 4th wall in their writing doesn't mean that Tom should avoid it. It can still be done right--for example if done by a character who is well-established as taking liberties with reality within the story. It provides an opportunity to add characterization (we now get Coyote speaking instead of a detached "A while later..."), it reinforces the idea that Coyote is operating on a different level from Annie and everyone else, and we get a little joke peppered in as we come back and re-establish the scene. Reformed Pissboy fucked around with this message at 13:30 on Jul 25, 2012 |
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Jul 25, 2012 13:11
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I thought that was some awesome 4th wall breaking. I laughed 
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Jul 25, 2012 14:14
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"And then, Coyote told the Fire Head Girl his terrible secret. She was amazed. What did he tell her? We will never find out."
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Jul 25, 2012 14:42
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He loves humans cuz they're so fun to pull one over on.
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Jul 25, 2012 14:45
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I thought it was funny and ok for a thing like Coyote to do, but it might have been better overall if it turned out that the "camera" he was facing was actually a bug or something. Which would be a bit of a rip-off of that Simpson's joke now that I'm reminded of it, but the Simpsons have done every joke so that's ok. I think it's alright because he's not necessarily actually addressing the reader, even though he's facing us. It's the sort of thing he would just say out loud anyway. Keep in mind that he actually did say all of that out loud, so it's not like a real narrative box.
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Jul 25, 2012 15:41
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Saoshyant posted:Going on a rant here for a moment, but Coyote breaking the fourth wall is something that does not work and I hope we'll never see again. It took me away from the story immediately. Coyote can take the mooon out of the sky, create a whole race of people, make a sword out of a tooth, or split into bits and untangle himself in impossible ways. That's great, that's what we love about him. But he is part of a story, and breaking the fourth wall to remind me that I am indeed reading a story is not something I wanted to see. It's not clever and is passé as hell now that everyone and their dog already did it. I was also somewhat displeased with this one. Although it works, I don't think it was a great idea. I also intensely dislike the rather overwrought cliffhanger. Although I understand he may be doing this to devote an entire page to the great secret, now that I think about it.This one just feels like stalling, however. It seems that Slidell could do, and has done, a better job in the past. I agree Tea is different, as she is just a way to explain what is going on, as opposed to a dull text statement.
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Jul 25, 2012 16:00
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Augh we're only supposed to have cliffhangers on Friday, this is unfair!
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Jul 25, 2012 16:02
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I think it's weird to call it a cliffhanger when it only exists as one for two days.
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Jul 25, 2012 16:09
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Regy Rusty posted:I think it's weird to call it a cliffhanger when it only exists as one for two days. It's more of a ledge, like jumping off your kitchen counter.
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Jul 25, 2012 16:12
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KSAF Staff Report posted:I also intensely dislike the rather overwrought cliffhanger. Although I understand he may be doing this to devote an entire page to the great secret, now that I think about it.This one just feels like stalling, however. No, this is ok, and it works fine, especially on paper if it's on an odd-numbered numbered page, meaning you have to turn the page right after the "cliffhanger". I don't think we'd have a cliffhanger for the sake of a cliffhanger on something that once it's been archived is only a click away.
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Jul 25, 2012 16:43
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Saoshyant posted:Going on a rant here for a moment, but Coyote breaking the fourth wall is something that does not work and I hope we'll never see again. It took me away from the story immediately. Coyote can take the mooon out of the sky, create a whole race of people, make a sword out of a tooth, or split into bits and untangle himself in impossible ways. That's great, that's what we love about him. But he is part of a story, and breaking the fourth wall to remind me that I am indeed reading a story is not something I wanted to see. It's not clever and is passé as hell now that everyone and their dog already did it. Look at it this way: he just spent a whole day listening to Annie tell stories about him in, presumably, the third person. He's just responding in kind. There doesn't have to be any fourth wall breakage, he's just being a goofballs like always (in a way that serves a handy narrative purpose!)
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Jul 25, 2012 16:57
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Coyote just isn't professional. He's always looking at the camera and laughing when he shouldn't be. Not like that consummate master City Face.
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Jul 25, 2012 18:00
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I was actually hoping he's spend a few pages telling Annie's story of Coyote, this jump seems kinda abrupt.
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Jul 25, 2012 18:20
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Goddamn it Tom.
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Jul 25, 2012 18:22
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Coyote absolutely loves having an audience, so breaking the fourth wall is pretty much in character for him. I did want to hear the story though
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Jul 25, 2012 19:18
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It's not the first time he's spoken to us.
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Jul 25, 2012 19:53
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Coyote's had so many stories told about him he just always assumes he's in one right now.
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Jul 25, 2012 19:53
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Do people in this thread just not know what the word "cliffhanger" means? "Waiting to see the next comic" is not a cliffhanger.
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Jul 25, 2012 20:41
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Yeah, seriously, this has nothing to do with Sylvester Stallone.
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Jul 25, 2012 20:47
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Quiet you.
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Jul 25, 2012 20:52
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It's kind of a frustrating end of the page, but it's a good setup for the change to a Coyote-style page.
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Jul 26, 2012 00:17
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Fister Roboto posted:Yeah, seriously, this has nothing to do with Sylvester Stallone. Or Sylvester McCoy.
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Jul 26, 2012 00:32
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It's also important to remember that cliffhangers (even though a 2-day delay doesn't really qualify as one) aren't even an inherently bad thing. They're a useful way too keep the audience's attention and make them think about the series, especially if they get some closure of another arc along with it. Nice example of a well done cliffhanger right here: http://www.gunnerkrigg.com/archive_page.php?comicID=1002
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Jul 26, 2012 13:29
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Coyote's "4th wall breaking" can just as easily be him narrating things going on to no one because he is silly like that! Stop being so rigid, y'all.
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Jul 26, 2012 14:47
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Yeah, I didn't read his "breaking" any differently than I did this: http://www.gunnerkrigg.com/archive_page.php?comicID=504 And if THIS is wrong, then being right is bad 
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Jul 26, 2012 15:04
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Zorak posted:Coyote's "4th wall breaking" can just as easily be him narrating things going on to no one because he is silly like that! Stop being so rigid, y'all. Yeah ok I can read it like that if I want, but what matters is what you get when you initially read it, not when you think it over, and when I read it it felt clunky. Like someone else said it would have been better if Coyote was shown to be addressing an imaginary audience/a beetle or something rather than the reader.
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Jul 26, 2012 16:21
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Waffnuffly posted:Yeah, I didn't read his "breaking" any differently than I did this: Did anyone make an avatar with the antelope at all?
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Jul 26, 2012 19:06
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Eh, I just saw it as him breaking out into an announcer voice and being overly dramatic for the hell of it. Hell, I do it all the time with my friends.
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Jul 26, 2012 21:24
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I'm not bothered too much by it, but I think it could have worked better without panel 2. The first panel by itself could be taken as just a narration; he may or may not have actually said it in front of Antimony, and if he did, it wouldn't be out of character at all. With a punchline, it's a little bit cheaper and it stands out more. Although I think that and the final panel are probably just filler for the sake of allowing the next page to be a "storytelling" page. Also, check out the thumbnail for this chapter:  Something to do with the seed, maybe? (By "thumbnail" I obviously mean the actual nail of that thumb because dang that's more menacing than they were when they were huge) Smooglii fucked around with this message at 22:13 on Jul 26, 2012 |
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Jul 26, 2012 21:54
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Annie will turn around and say "I don't want to know, whatever, I'm heading back to school" or something that will cause us all to rage.
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Jul 26, 2012 22:45
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 Hang on, let me just read that again, maybe I- Nope, still
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Jul 27, 2012 08:01
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Uh. Well. That is some well-kept secret, I must admit.
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Jul 27, 2012 08:01
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Huh. I can see why you might want to keep that a secret.
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Jul 27, 2012 08:02
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Hmm. I wonder if this is going to be clarified.
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Jul 27, 2012 08:04
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Clearly more fourth-wall breaking. Coyote is getting meta.
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Jul 27, 2012 08:04
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I don't understand anything any more.
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Jul 27, 2012 08:05
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This doesn't answer anything at all. In fact, it raises more questions!
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