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sniper4625 posted:Just going to wait until the super-extended-platinum 24-Blu Ray discs Hobbit-LOTR collection. It'll be out, eventually. By the time it does, everyone who has started watching The Hobbit will be almost done.
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Somewhere there is a child being born who is going to have to work at a theater that will show all six Middle Earth movies in a row.
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Jul 31, 2012 19:53
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RembrandtQEinstein posted:This is a good list, I had definitely forgotten about a few of these things and will remind people of them. Thanks! Cheers :} Ooh! I'd forgotten another big one. Jackson said aaages ago: Jackson posted:We're developing a lot more character and personality in the villain side of the story , too. We are having to deal with Sauron a little bit more specifically in this; how exactly he manifests himself and what form he's in, and how that is ultimately going to lead into what he becomes in the trilogy - and what he has been in the ancient past. That is something we are absolutely dealing with, much more so than what's in the book. You have to. People will be expecting it. It's before Lord of the Rings, so we're going to learn a bit more about X, Y and Z... Emphasis mine. If we are seeing what Sauron was in the ancient past, then we should be seeing how he transitioned from that, to his form in Dol Guldur. This implies to me that we may get a flashback to Numenor, where we see its destruction (holy shitballs!), and Sauron losing his ability to assume a fair form, and possibly the stuff leading up to that (his seduction of the Numenorean kings etc.) We may also see more of the forging of the rings and various shitstorms that stemmed directly from that - especially the forging of the Dwarven rings, because that is quite relevant to the Thrain/Dol Guldur subplot, which we know we're getting. The Appendices really are a dense treasure trove of cool stuff. I will update my list with this extra possible ancillary cruft.
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Jul 31, 2012 20:05
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Mr. Gibbycrumbles posted:Actually I think the narrative is improved by enabling the death of Smaug to exist as the climax of a film. This is why I think three films will work. I always hated that Smaug isn't the climax of the Hobbit story, and allowing him to be the climax of one of the films is perfect. It also means the second Hobbit flick will be the Empire Strikes Back of the Hobbit trilogy: badass villainy, and ends on a downer, as now the five armies are coming together.
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Jul 31, 2012 20:09
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Film 2 could end, along with the death of the dragon, with Bilbo hiding the Arkenstone while Thorin swears vengeance on whoever has it (I think I'm remembering that right), along with flashbacks/inner monologue referencing Smaug's "how do you think you'll get all this home? comments "
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Jul 31, 2012 20:33
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foodfight posted:Somewhere there is a child being born who is going to have to work at a theater that will show all six Middle Earth movies in a row. I mean, that marathon will be potentially happening for the first time around summer 2014, so that child could have been born in like 1996.
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Jul 31, 2012 20:40
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Slate Action posted:I mean, that marathon will be potentially happening for the first time around summer 2014, so that child could have been born in like 1996. Jackson started planning the LotR trilogy in 1995. This child must rise and fulfil his destiny.
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Jul 31, 2012 21:22
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The third film could literally be three hours of Gandalf washing his wizard knickers and I'll still be there demanding they take my money; I've such a boner for Middle Earth so to hear we're getting to spend a little more time there is really exciting! 
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Jul 31, 2012 21:59
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Honestly, I would still pay to go see a third movie of just helicopter shots of New Zealand with a backing orchestra.
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Jul 31, 2012 22:32
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Slate Action posted:I mean, that marathon will be potentially happening for the first time around summer 2014, so that child could have been born in like 1996. 1998 if they're just getting their first summer job.
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Jul 31, 2012 23:01
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Eh, I just posted this elsewhere on the internets, but I see no harm in posting it here also. Food for thought on what the Summer release date for film 3 could mean. Apparently the third film comes out in Summer 2014 - i.e. only half a year after the second film. This strikes me as an odd situation given the previous pattern of LotR and the first two Hobbits. What could this mean for the films? My first kneejerk reaction to the news was "Oh of course, because they don't want to go head-to-head with Avatar 2 at Christmas". That would be understandable, but then yesterday some news appeared confirming Avatar 2 would not make a winter 2014 release after all. Very strange timing for this news, I must say. http://screenrant.com/...sequel-delayed-2015/ The Avatar news does however state that Cameron wants to make extensive use of Peter Jackson's studios for the production of the new Avatar films (of which there are likely to be three). Is it possible that Wellington had already committed to a massive Avatar production post-Hobbit, and there simply wouldn't be the resources available to work on Hobbit 3 late in 2014? So there's some food for thought. But if that theory holds no water, what else could be the reason for the release date? Does the rapid release of film 3 imply that in actual fact, there is not a massive amount of work to do on it? For example, suppose Jackson has already shot enough footage for two 180-minute films. Re-cutting this into three 140-minute films will only require the creation of one more hour of content. This seems like a rather likely option, especially as Warners would much MUCH rather have shorter films and more of them, than long films which limit the number of screenings per day. My feeling is that Jackson always planned for two films, but his fondness for shooting lots and lots of footage to give himself more options in the editing room led him to request more shooting time. Warners saw this opportunity to greenlight the request on the condition that he uses the extra footage to turn the 2-films into a theatrical trilogy instead. This worries me a little bit because I don't think I am alone in thinking that films often don't benefit from an "include everything you shoot" approach. The LOTR EEs I feel have a lot of extra scenes that are quite subpar compared to the theatrical scenes, and I wouldn't want the quality of The Hobbit to be diluted because PJ is forced to include almost everything he shoots in order to have a decent running time. I would much rather have 2 tight theatricals + a bunch of "take-it-or-leave-it" leftovers in EEs than 3 diluted theatricals. What are the consequences of the summer release in terms of post-production on film 3? During production of the LOTR trilogy, on each of the three films, post-production always went right down to the wire, with RotK being finalised at a ludicrously late stage in the game, even though it had a whole year to itself. Is WETA's workflow so good now that they can properly do justice to the final film in the time they have available? This strengthens the theory that the films must be individually shorter now. I have to assume that PJ thinks that they can do post on films 2 and 3 more or less in parallel, so that film 3 can be released only 6 months after film 2. So, in conclusion, my strong suspicion is that despite now getting a trilogy, we are probably only getting maybe something of the order of an hour of extra footage on top of what we'd normally have, had the situation not changed like this.
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MANIFEST DESTINY posted:Unfortunately I don't think we're going to get the start of the quest to the end of Smaug in one film, and as a result I think the first will be the worst of the three, considering that the whole genesis of the adventure is a quest to slay a dragon, and we likely never even see a hint of that dragon in the film. Imagine if Star Wars ended before the battle of yavin. It's not like we were going to see Smaug in the first movie even when it was just two parts, though. As long as they don't push him all the way to the third movie, I'd love a entire second movie devoted to the Smaug conflict.
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Jul 31, 2012 23:46
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It doesn't require much speculation, Jackson himself said that they got into the editing room, looked at their heap of footage, and instead of actually going through the edit process and giving us the best of it, they decided to give us all of it (except they spin it such that everything they shot was gold). According to some in this thread they could maybe make a 4th film from the scraps and extra takes, and sell that for a handsome profit. edit: spixxor posted:It's not like we were going to see Smaug in the first movie even when it was just two parts, though. As long as they don't push him all the way to the third movie, I'd love a entire second movie devoted to the Smaug conflict. Yeah thats why even their initial plan for splitting the film in two was bad. What it should have been was the beginning of the quest to slay Smaug until the end of it. I wouldn't complain at all about a 2nd film that includes both the extra material and the Battle of the Five Armies, because like I said before thats kind of awkwardly tacked on even in the book. MANIFEST DESTINY fucked around with this message at 23:54 on Jul 31, 2012 |
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Jul 31, 2012 23:51
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WoodrowSkillson posted:As opposed to his many enthralling lines of dialogue in the books wherein he talks about Kheled-zaram, gushes about Galadriel, talks about the Glittering Caves when we see him again after he fights offscreen for 20 pages, and then is scared underground a bunch. Oh also after he is literally ignored for most of the RotK, we find out in an appendix that he chilled in the caves after the war then got on a boat with T-Pain and Legolas. That's still better than giving him nothing but cringe-worthy joke lines.
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Jesto posted:What would people have trimmed? Aragorn becoming King? The Hobbits returning to the Shire? Frodo leaving on the boat? The book passing from Frodo to Sam, as it passed from Bilbo to Frodo? The last two, or at least that's what I would do. It'd be pretty easy to imagine Frodo just settling down in the Shire and smoking pipeweed for the rest of his days which is Good Enough for most audiences.
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computer parts posted:The last two, or at least that's what I would do. It'd be pretty easy to imagine Frodo just settling down in the Shire and smoking pipeweed for the rest of his days which is Good Enough for most audiences. Yeah, the part where they're in The Green Dragon and silently toast each other would be the best way to end it.
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Aug 1, 2012 04:52
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Jesto posted:Wait, people had a problem with Return of the King's endings? Why?
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All I ask for the Hobbit is to go easy on the slo-mo. It's the only thing that pains me when rewatching the LOTR movies.
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NarkyBark posted:All I ask for the Hobbit is to go easy on the slo-mo. It's the only thing that pains me when rewatching the LOTR movies. Not as bad as King Kong. *dramatic slow mo as Adrien Brody types "S"* *dramatic slow mo as Adrien Brody types "K"* *dramatic slow mo as Adrien Brody types "U"* *dramatic slow mo as Adrien Brody types "L"* *dramatic slow mo as Adrien Brody types "L"* *dramatic slow mo as Adrien Brody types "I"* *dramatic slow mo as Adrien Brody types "S"* *dramatic slow mo as Adrien Brody types "L"* *dramatic slow mo as Adrien Brody types "A"* *dramatic slow mo as Adrien Brody types "N"* *dramatic slow mo as Adrien Brody types "D"*
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Aug 1, 2012 05:14
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I really liked that year where Hollywood tried to sell us Adrien Brody as an action hero.
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Quality_Guaranteed posted:Yeah, the part where they're in The Green Dragon and silently toast each other would be the best way to end it. You jerks are robbing people of the best scene.
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computer parts posted:The last two, or at least that's what I would do. It'd be pretty easy to imagine Frodo just settling down in the Shire and smoking pipeweed for the rest of his days which is Good Enough for most audiences. But it would have kind of missed one of the most important parts of the story and just made it 'and Frodo was awesome forever, the end!"
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kiimo posted:You jerks are robbing people of the best scene. ImpAtom posted:But it would have kind of missed one of the most important parts of the story and just made it 'and Frodo was awesome forever, the end!" Okay, out of context of the rest of the film (and the film series) that scene is great, but in the context of the film it's an epilogue to an epilogue about a story line that is never really elaborated on in any of the movies (all we're told is "The Elves are leaving!" why? who knows. where? who knows. They're just leaving).
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Aug 1, 2012 05:49
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It honestly seemed kind of dickish of Frodo to just go 'Welp, see ya!' at the end, since one of the subplots had been Arwen giving up on the Undying Lands in order to be with the one she loved.
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Quasimango posted:It honestly seemed kind of dickish of Frodo to just go 'Welp, see ya!' at the end, since one of the subplots had been Arwen giving up on the Undying Lands in order to be with the one she loved. I thought Frodo was dying and going away was his only choice.
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Aug 1, 2012 06:34
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Hedrigall posted:Not as bad as King Kong. God that was funny. That was the moment I got over my disappointment and just started laughing at how bad the movie was.
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Aug 1, 2012 06:40
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I think it's more like he had chronic pain from the loss of the ring and his wounds, and the Undying Lands are like Canada with their universal health care and medical marijuana.
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Jesto posted:Wait, people had a problem with Return of the King's endings? Why? People really had to go to the bathroom Hedrigall posted:Not as bad as King Kong. Haha, yeah tofes fucked around with this message at 08:04 on Aug 1, 2012 |
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tofes posted:People really had to go to the bathroom Is this where I admit I went to a marathon showing of the three extended versions of lotr. Because I did, and had a giant soda with me the whole time. I think by the time the Hobbits were heading back to the Shire I was cursing silently for Frodo to just taking the loving boat already so I can go pee.
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Vigilance posted:Is this where I admit I went to a marathon showing of the three extended versions of lotr. Because I did, and had a giant soda with me the whole time. I think by the time the Hobbits were heading back to the Shire I was cursing silently for Frodo to just taking the loving boat already so I can go pee. You had a giant cup and it was dark I fail to see the issue here!
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Aug 1, 2012 08:59
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My cousin's friend knows a guy from a bar who works on the Hobbit and said that the third movie is going to be a Rashomon-like telling of the events surrounding the Battle of the Five Armies from five different perspectives. Edit: The Elven perspective has 75% more Tra-la-la
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Giodo! posted:My cousin's friend knows a guy from a bar who works on the Hobbit and said that the third movie is going to be a Rashomon-like telling of the events surrounding the Battle of the Five Armies from five different perspectives. The Eagles' perspective will be the only one that matters.
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Mr. Gibbycrumbles posted:Does the rapid release of film 3 imply that in actual fact, there is not a massive amount of work to do on it? For example, suppose Jackson has already shot enough footage for two 180-minute films. Re-cutting this into three 140-minute films will only require the creation of one more hour of content. This seems like a rather likely option, especially as Warners would much MUCH rather have shorter films and more of them, than long films which limit the number of screenings per day. I would say this is correct. They probably got to the point where they realised they had a cut of The Hobbit:EE that was about 6.5 hours long and someone said: "you know - that's about 3 movies in length". If they were more comfortable about there being little risk with LOTR and if it came out post-Harry Potter we could have ended up with a 6 film LOTR or something.
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Giodo! posted:My cousin's friend knows a guy from a bar who works on the Hobbit and said that the third movie is going to be a Rashomon-like telling of the events surrounding the Battle of the Five Armies from five different perspectives. ...How serious are you?
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Aug 1, 2012 12:59
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Bilbo's inability to heal or fit back in after his experiences are basically the entire point of the series, so leaving off his exit into the Undying Lands cracks the whole thing thematically. Just like Tolkien's WWI experiences had taught him that it's easier to die in the heroic quest than to live on afterwards (making the Hobbits live after their trek to Mount Doom was actually pretty revolutionary in terms of heroic fiction - and a much more brutal thing for the characters to deal with in many ways), it's the lingering pain and the otherness that the horrors of war instill on their survivors that are the real battle scars for all soldiers. The Houses of Healing were the weakest part of all that, but the need to show poor Frodo being unable to leave his experience behind him was 100% essential. If you told me I had to choose between that scene and, say, the Battle of Helm's Deep, I'd take that scene.
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Szmitten posted:...How serious are you? You don't understand jokes.
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