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Obdicut
May 15, 2012

"What election?"

Now I'm nervous. Is it just a terribly lovely cliche to have an ex-military dude as a hero, or am I likely to gently caress it all up through lack of knowledge of things-military, or what?

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EBB
Feb 15, 2005

Obdicut posted:

Now I'm nervous. Is it just a terribly lovely cliche to have an ex-military dude as a hero, or am I likely to gently caress it all up through lack of knowledge of things-military, or what?

I was just loving with you. Truth is, most military fiction is horrible and we like making fun of it. For every Catch-22 produced you get 10 Hurt Lockers.

E: Actually, I do have some advice. Get a copy of the Hurt Locker screenplay, and make sure what you write is the opposite of that.

EBB fucked around with this message at 23:46 on Jul 29, 2012

vacation in merica
Jul 19, 2012

by T. Mascis

Obdicut posted:

1. What is the highest rank he would believably have reached after five years in the Army if he was a hard-charging exceptionally talented typical thriller-hero guy?

Staff Sergeant, and that's probably only if he didn't get injured before the five year mark.

quote:

2. What is the minimum believable level of damage for him to get a medical discharge with? It seems like higher and higher levels of disability are kept in the military; the discharge would have occurred in 2007.

Loss of motor skills for a headwound would get the medical discharge process started.

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3. What is the percentage of time he would typically spend in-theater (Afghanistan) during those five years?

Depends on the unit, I doubt anyone who wasn't Special Forces would have been to Afghanistan more than twice from 2002-2007 but I'm sure I could be wrong. 40+ months in Iraq would've been possible though.

ElMaligno
Dec 31, 2004

Be Gay!
Do Crime!

The last time I read a novel about an ex-military hero:

- The protagonist AKA. Dad was too old for this poo poo, useless, but good with a rifle.
- Mom was useless.
- Son was useless, but was learning to shot a gun and somehow knew how to fly a plane.
- Daughter was EXTREMELY useless as she was a vegetarian pacifist in a post-apocalyptic world. At the end of the novel she ends up being raped, being used as a gently caress-toy, still convinced that peace and love was the answer and very dead.

On the other hand I also read a bool about an ex-air-force guy, that was a former Trekkie. He was working in an hotel during a Star Trek convention and suddenly zombies from outer space. It was actually bad rear end and funny. But its ruined by the fact that there is a scene about a hot chick in a Princess Leia costume, tied up to a bed, getting filmed and getting berated by a nerd on how much better star trek is compared to star wars. But don't worry she consented to this whole ordeal! They also imply they sell the video online to Trekkies and poo poo.

Yeah...

Obdicut
May 15, 2012

"What election?"

AB posted:

I was just loving with you. Truth is, most military fiction is horrible and we like making fun of it. For every Catch-22 produced you get 10 Hurt Lockers.

E: Actually, I do have some advice. Get a copy of the Hurt Locker screenplay, and make sure what you write is the opposite of that.

It's not going to delve deeply into what active service is like, because I know gently caress-all about it. I just want to have enough background that it doesn't seem obviously phony to an ex-military guy.

Obdicut
May 15, 2012

"What election?"

vacation in merica posted:

Staff Sergeant, and that's probably only if he didn't get injured before the five year mark.


Loss of motor skills for a headwound would get the medical discharge process started.


Depends on the unit, I doubt anyone who wasn't Special Forces would have been to Afghanistan more than twice from 2002-2007 but I'm sure I could be wrong. 40+ months in Iraq would've been possible though.

Thanks very much. I don't want to make him Special Forces-- too cliche-- just a high-performer. It sounds like I should give him experience in both Iraq and Afghanistan.

I think a critical but not crippling motor-skills injury would fit him well.

If anyone has any interest, I'd love to know classic mistakes writers make when portraying ex-military guys, so I can avoid them and not suck.

Oxford Comma
Jun 26, 2011
Oxford Comma: Hey guys I want a cool big dog to show off! I want it to be ~special~ like Thor but more couch potato-like because I got babbies in the house!
Everybody: GET A LAB.
Oxford Comma: OK! (gets a a pit/catahoula mix)

Obdicut posted:

Thanks very much. I don't want to make him Special Forces-- too cliche-- just a high-performer. It sounds like I should give him experience in both Iraq and Afghanistan.

I think a critical but not crippling motor-skills injury would fit him well.

If anyone has any interest, I'd love to know classic mistakes writers make when portraying ex-military guys, so I can avoid them and not suck.

If you want a non-cliche high-speed low-drag kinda guy, consider making him Air Force Security.

vains
May 26, 2004

A Big Ten institution offering distance education catering to adult learners

Oxford Comma posted:

If you want a non-cliche high-speed low-drag kinda guy, consider making him Air Force Security.

Those security forces dudes at Manas looked like some real hard motherfuckers.

Kung Fu Fist Fuck
Aug 9, 2009

Oxford Comma posted:

If you want a non-cliche high-speed low-drag kinda guy, consider making him Air Force Security.

Ahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha. Holy poo poo you can't be serious.

iyaayas01
Feb 19, 2010

Perry'd

Oxford Comma posted:

If you want a non-cliche high-speed low-drag kinda guy, consider making him Air Force Security.

Please tell me this is a joke post.

Just because I love posting it, this is what those "high-speed low-drag" folks are capable of:



Not only did the driver hit a (parked, stationary) $30 million aircraft because he was getting a blowjob from the (probably not very attractive) female airman on patrol with him, but he did it traveling at such a high rate of speed that he managed to get the car lodged all the way up underneath the aircraft.

Hooah Defenders, indeed.

grover
Jan 23, 2002

PEW PEW PEW
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iyaayas01 posted:

Please tell me this is a joke post.

Just because I love posting it, this is what those "high-speed low-drag" folks are capable of:



Not only did the driver hit a (parked, stationary) $30 million aircraft because he was getting a blowjob from the (probably not very attractive) female airman on patrol with him, but he did it traveling at such a high rate of speed that he managed to get the car lodged all the way up underneath the aircraft.

Hooah Defenders, indeed.
That's the source of the character's traumatic brain injury, right?

Obdicut
May 15, 2012

"What election?"

grover posted:

That's the source of the character's traumatic brain injury, right?

I think the injury may have come during the actual blowjob itself, as she sucked the sense right out of him.

Anyway, I'm going to make him regular Army, since that's the branch I know the most about.

WP CURES PALESTINE
Jun 17, 2011
[ASK] ME about :

LYING ABOUT BEING A US MARINE

HATING ON TRANSPEOPLE BUT SECRETLY DATING ONE

CLAIMING TO HAVE PTSD ON MY OKCUPID PROFILE

HAVING A TRIFORCE TATTOO ON MY NECK

vacation in merica posted:

Staff Sergeant, and that's probably only if he didn't get injured before the five year mark.


Loss of motor skills for a headwound would get the medical discharge process started.


Depends on the unit, I doubt anyone who wasn't Special Forces would have been to Afghanistan more than twice from 2002-2007 but I'm sure I could be wrong. 40+ months in Iraq would've been possible though.

Hold on Staff Sergent at 5 years? loving army :(

Godholio
Aug 28, 2002

Does a bear split in the woods near Zheleznogorsk?
They promote faster because it's assumed you'll lose a couple of stripes at least once.

gleep gloop
Aug 16, 2005

GROSS SHIT

IDR posted:

Hold on Staff Sergent at 5 years? loving army :(

I've known two 21 year old staff sergeants. Also myself and four of my friends made sergeant within 26 months.

GreenMeat
Sep 2, 2002
slow mutant

gleep glop posted:

I've known two 21 year old staff sergeants. Also myself and four of my friends made sergeant within 26 months.

Those days are numbered. After the ongoing army-wide grade plate review, there will be far fewer NCO slots in almost every MOS.

gleep gloop
Aug 16, 2005

GROSS SHIT

GreenMeat posted:

Those days are numbered. After the ongoing army-wide grade plate review, there will be far fewer NCO slots in almost every MOS.

Yeah? Well gently caress you new people, got mine.

EconOutlines
Jul 3, 2004

gleep glop posted:

Yeah? Well gently caress you new people, got mine.

grover
Jan 23, 2002

PEW PEW PEW
:circlefap::circlefap::circlefap:
:circlefap::circlefap::circlefap:
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gleep glop posted:

Yeah? Well gently caress you new people, got mine.
Yeah, well, just wait until you get busted down and try to get it back!

WP CURES PALESTINE
Jun 17, 2011
[ASK] ME about :

LYING ABOUT BEING A US MARINE

HATING ON TRANSPEOPLE BUT SECRETLY DATING ONE

CLAIMING TO HAVE PTSD ON MY OKCUPID PROFILE

HAVING A TRIFORCE TATTOO ON MY NECK
Terminal specialist just dosn't have the same ring to it.

gleep gloop
Aug 16, 2005

GROSS SHIT

grover posted:

Yeah, well, just wait until you get busted down and try to get it back!

My command is literally scared of me and would never.

nwin
Feb 25, 2002

make's u think

Godholio posted:

Definitely call tricare. You can often get a referral after the fact when it's an urgent-care or ER trip.
As a follow up, I called Tricare today and they said since it was listed as an emergency visit, the most the company can bill is 115% of what Tricare covers since that company wasn't in network. Tricare covered about 60 bucks (the amount they sent me a check for) and said that's what they would cover, so the company might send me a bill for 70 dollars give or take. Either I can pony up the ten bucks extra or call my wife's PCM and get them to add it as a referral.

Thanks for the help guys! They also told me that urgent care will be fully covered next time so long as I go to someone in network, so that's good.

It still doesn't answer the question of why wasn't I billed? Does active vs. dependent make a difference in this case?

Flying_Crab
Apr 12, 2002



GreenMeat posted:

Those days are numbered. After the ongoing army-wide grade plate review, there will be far fewer NCO slots in almost every MOS.

So does this mean E5 slots will become E4 slots and so on?

DEVILDOGOOORAH
Aug 2, 2010

~Animu fan~

Obdicut posted:

Now I'm nervous. Is it just a terribly lovely cliche to have an ex-military dude as a hero, or am I likely to gently caress it all up through lack of knowledge of things-military, or what?

Make him an army recruiter with brain injury due to a failed suicide attempt.

iceslice
May 20, 2005

DoktorLoken posted:

So does this mean E5 slots will become E4 slots and so on?

I thought they just make reenlistment competitive for MOS with no available NCO slots, and increase the difficulty of promotions?

Nillerz
Jun 24, 2008

Nillerz posted:

Why don't I eat veggies? I don't look at them as *food*, in the classical sense.
AM I POSTING ABOUT HOW WOMEN ARE STUPID, WEAK AND WORTHLESS? REMIND ME THAT I AM AN INFANTILE MANCHILD WHO REFUSES TO EAT VEGETABLES
What are the three medals you get for free if you joined in 2008? I'm trying to figure stuff out here...

vacation in merica
Jul 19, 2012

by T. Mascis
National Defense Service Medal, Army Service Ribbon (or whatever branch I guess), Global War on Terrorism Medal (NOT THE EXPEDITIONARY MEDAL)

vains
May 26, 2004

A Big Ten institution offering distance education catering to adult learners

vacation in merica posted:

National Defense Service Medal, Army Service Ribbon (or whatever branch I guess), Global War on Terrorism Medal (NOT THE EXPEDITIONARY MEDAL)

GWOT Service Medal

Nillerz
Jun 24, 2008

Nillerz posted:

Why don't I eat veggies? I don't look at them as *food*, in the classical sense.
AM I POSTING ABOUT HOW WOMEN ARE STUPID, WEAK AND WORTHLESS? REMIND ME THAT I AM AN INFANTILE MANCHILD WHO REFUSES TO EAT VEGETABLES
Thanks... that was a very very quick reply.

cursor101
Apr 22, 2010

(humorous Black Dynamite reference)
If I work as a civilian contractor, deploy to a combat zone as a contractor, and am a member of the Marine Corps Ready Reserve am I covered/provided for under SCRA while deployed?

Mr_Ruckus
Jul 8, 2008

What's a good website to order embroidered cat eyes from?

Nostalgia4Butts
Jun 1, 2006

WHERE MY HOSE DRINKERS AT

Mr_Ruckus posted:

What's a good website to order embroidered cat eyes from?

Like a helmet band? Ranger Joe's has them for less than 5 bucks each.

CheerGrrl92
May 4, 2007
They call me the owner, because it's what I do
I have a quick question.

I have always wanted to join the military, but circumstances have always kept me away from it.

When I officially decided I wanted to join and that I was ready to sign a contract (a few months ago), it was pretty much too late for me. I wanted to go active CG, but it was wayy too competitive. My next choice was AF, but they wouldn't accept me because of my past MJ use.

Now, that out of the way, I should have a pretty good resume. Without giving up too much personal information about myself.. I am in great shape, I work for the department of defense (not a contractor) with a TS/SCI clearance, I have a police academy under my belt, I am in great physical shape, and I have a bachelors degree with >3.6 GPA.

The question: Would the army, airforce or marine reserves be interested in me? And if so, would I want to go officer versus enlisted?

I think I want to go the intelligence or foreign service route with my career, but I honestly can't say for sure yet.

I just know that before I got my clearance, none of the military branches I talked to seemed interested in me because of my MJ use. I hope someone can give some insight into that.. but its been well over three years at this point.

calmasahinducow
Oct 31, 2004
i am a pirate of the high seas

CheerGrrl92 posted:

I have a quick question.

I have always wanted to join the military, but circumstances have always kept me away from it.

When I officially decided I wanted to join and that I was ready to sign a contract (a few months ago), it was pretty much too late for me. I wanted to go active CG, but it was wayy too competitive. My next choice was AF, but they wouldn't accept me because of my past MJ use.

Now, that out of the way, I should have a pretty good resume. Without giving up too much personal information about myself.. I am in great shape, I work for the department of defense (not a contractor) with a TS/SCI clearance, I have a police academy under my belt, I am in great physical shape, and I have a bachelors degree with >3.6 GPA.

The question: Would the army, airforce or marine reserves be interested in me? And if so, would I want to go officer versus enlisted?

I think I want to go the intelligence or foreign service route with my career, but I honestly can't say for sure yet.

I just know that before I got my clearance, none of the military branches I talked to seemed interested in me because of my MJ use. I hope someone can give some insight into that.. but its been well over three years at this point.

It depends. Are you in good shape?

CheerGrrl92
May 4, 2007
They call me the owner, because it's what I do

calmasahinducow posted:

It depends. Are you in good shape?

Yes.

nwin
Feb 25, 2002

make's u think

How about great physical shape?

WP CURES PALESTINE
Jun 17, 2011
[ASK] ME about :

LYING ABOUT BEING A US MARINE

HATING ON TRANSPEOPLE BUT SECRETLY DATING ONE

CLAIMING TO HAVE PTSD ON MY OKCUPID PROFILE

HAVING A TRIFORCE TATTOO ON MY NECK

CheerGrrl92 posted:

I have a quick question.

I have always wanted to join the military, but circumstances have always kept me away from it.

When I officially decided I wanted to join and that I was ready to sign a contract (a few months ago), it was pretty much too late for me. I wanted to go active CG, but it was wayy too competitive. My next choice was AF, but they wouldn't accept me because of my past MJ use.

Now, that out of the way, I should have a pretty good resume. Without giving up too much personal information about myself.. I am in great shape, I work for the department of defense (not a contractor) with a TS/SCI clearance, I have a police academy under my belt, I am in great physical shape, and I have a bachelors degree with >3.6 GPA.

The question: Would the army, airforce or marine reserves be interested in me? And if so, would I want to go officer versus enlisted?

I think I want to go the intelligence or foreign service route with my career, but I honestly can't say for sure yet.

I just know that before I got my clearance, none of the military branches I talked to seemed interested in me because of my MJ use. I hope someone can give some insight into that.. but its been well over three years at this point.

Doesn't anyone look at the join the military thread? It's at the top of the loving forum!

e: If you can't check a forum, we don't want you.

Godholio
Aug 28, 2002

Does a bear split in the woods near Zheleznogorsk?

IDR posted:

e: If you can't check a forum, we don't want you.

I dunno, sounds like she'll fit right in.

CheerGrrl92
May 4, 2007
They call me the owner, because it's what I do
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CheerGrrl92 fucked around with this message at 20:52 on Aug 12, 2012

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iyaayas01
Feb 19, 2010

Perry'd

CheerGrrl92 posted:

Great. That doesn't answer my question, which is a "quick" one.

I have a TS/SCI. I have done drugs. I am honest. Looking for a "you can get a waiver" or a "doesn't matter you smoked weed and the military is too competitive right now"

It depends...seriously, the only way you are going to get a no kidding answer to this is to actually go talk to a recruiter and start working through the process. Since you have a steady (I assume) well paying job, with DoD no less, you really need to hold out for an officer slot, even if that means waiting a while and reapplying a couple of times, particularly since your GPA and clearance mean you should be fairly competitive.

Remember that if you are looking at going into the Reserves (or Guard, for that matter) things are a little different...you have to meet the basic requirements for OTS/OCS/etc, but you also have to find a unit willing to hire you. If you are serious about wanting to go the Guard/Reserves route, start talking to units that you think you would be interested in working for and see what they have to offer as far as vacancies.

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