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Krenzo posted:There's a lot of talk about the Kickstarter rule change, and someone pointed this interesting post out:
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Shalinor posted:Someone did a sort of Let's Play of the current build of Scrumble Ship: Oh god it's like Spacestation 13 plus Minecraft. It looks pretty cool but it seems like one of those things that might run into the problem of putting so much work into the simulation aspect that they forget to make an actual game out of it. One thing that makes Minecraft so clever is the monster behaviour encourages you to build things - monsters spawn in darkness so you need a place to hide at night, but you can place torches to push back the area they can spawn, so you need to go digging for coal at a minimum unless you're content with digging a two-block hole in the dirt every night as your shelter. Scrumble Ship has the obvious game angle of flying around and getting in fights with other ships, but that might get boring after a while without some direction. Especially since the freeform building means that it will probably be pretty easy to come up with some ridiculously effective design to trivialize any fight - so to keep it interesting the developers are going to have to get creative with weapon/enemy design to prevent one setup from being able to handle any challenge.
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Sep 24, 2012 04:27
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Here's something interesting: Howard Phillips, probably best known for his appearance in the Howard & Nester comics from Nintendo Power, is kickstarting an education game. It seems kinda cool but I still didn't get a great sense from the video on what the game actually is.
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Sep 25, 2012 02:15
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Remember Earthworm Jim and The Neverhood? Their creator, Doug Tennapel has just launched a Kickstarter for a hard-back compilation of his best sketches over the past few decades: http://www.kickstarter.com/projects/1812253609/doug-tennapel-sketchbook-archives?ref=discover_pop I had a dream something like this was going to happen.
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Sep 25, 2012 10:13
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That's cool, and I honestly kind of want one, but I'm pretty sure Doug Tennapel is a hardcore Tea Party supporter who opposes gay rights, and I really don't want to give him any money. Edit: For more info. Sorry, I don't mean to start a whole thing, but I think people should know. Hakkesshu fucked around with this message at 10:24 on Sep 25, 2012 |
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Sep 25, 2012 10:17
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Axegrinder posted:Remember Earthworm Jim and The Neverhood? Halfway through the book it will suddenly turn in to a political allegory about how interfering with corporate interests is the true evil, using sketches of Tennapel's daughter as a mouthpiece.
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Sep 25, 2012 10:19
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Axegrinder posted:Remember Earthworm Jim and The Neverhood? He's a piece of poo poo though. He's not getting a penny out of me, regardless of my love for The Neverhood and Earthworm Jim. And his friendship with Mike Nelson.
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Sep 25, 2012 10:20
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Hakkesshu posted:That's cool, and I honestly kind of want one, but I'm pretty sure Doug Tennapel is a hardcore Tea Party supporter who opposes gay rights, and I really don't want to give him any money. What a broken person. Was going to happily pay for his sketchbook, too.
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Sep 25, 2012 10:33
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I'm just sad there's no comments on the Kickstarter to that effect, though I imagine he's deleting all of them. 
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Sep 25, 2012 10:35
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Fergus Mac Roich posted:What a broken person. Was going to happily pay for his sketchbook, too. I had read through the entire thing before it was deleted (I'm pretty sure it was) and the stuff on GayGamer is just the tip of the iceberg. Dude is a terrible person.
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Sep 25, 2012 10:59
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Hakkesshu posted:That's cool, and I honestly kind of want one, but I'm pretty sure Doug Tennapel is a hardcore Tea Party supporter who opposes gay rights, and I really don't want to give him any money. quote:DTN: Give me some time all I'll see what I can do. You realize this conversation is going to be used by your people to justify a permanent boycott of my work. They would probably use this argument to justify me not being able to visit anyone in any hospital while they're at it. THis argument isn't about laws and marriage, it's about cultural witch hunts. THere are a lot worse things than not being able to marry your same sex. Yeah I don't think I want to give anything to somebody who thinks it's the poor bigots who are being victimized.
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Sep 25, 2012 12:37
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Axegrinder posted:Remember Earthworm Jim and The Neverhood? Thank you! I just wish international shipping wasn't that much, because I'm quite tempted to pledge 50 dollars.
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Sep 25, 2012 13:14
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Sooooooooo 3D Realms are trying to get funding for a new game via a kickstarter style site called Gambitious. http://www.eurogamer.net/articles/2012-09-25-3d-realms-returns-with-post-apocalyptic-fps-earth-no-more-on-new-crowdfunding-site-gambitious "As for Gambitious, the major difference between it and established rival Kickstarter is its ability to buy equity to fund projects, in addition to the more straightforward donation model." This is going to be hilarious.
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Sep 25, 2012 16:11
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I'm not sure what the intended portmanteau was, but I can't stop reading 'gambling' out of 'gambitious'.
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Sep 25, 2012 16:20
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Bieeardo posted:I'm not sure what the intended portmanteau was, but I can't stop reading 'gambling' out of 'gambitious'. Same. I guess it's supposed to be "game-bitious" instead of a hard "a" sound but who knows. The last thing I think we need now is a whole bunch of Kickstarter-like things popping up all over the place. Also  what smoking wreck of 3DRealms is involved in this.
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Sep 25, 2012 16:23
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My head just can't get around the gigantic brass balls they have to even consider asking game fans to crowdfund a new project after the decade long trainwreck DNF was. How is 3D Realms still even a company?
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Sep 25, 2012 16:35
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Bieeardo posted:I'm not sure what the intended portmanteau was, but I can't stop reading 'gambling' out of 'gambitious'. Considering that they're allowing people to make actual investments rather than just donations, that's not far off from the truth.
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Sep 25, 2012 16:36
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The Cheshire Cat posted:Considering that they're allowing people to make actual investments rather than just donations, that's not far off from the truth. Well on the video on that link that explains the site, the spokesperson pronounces it like "gamble", and the word "gambit" is directly included in the title so I'm pretty sure that it is intentional. I guess you could argue that they're going for "gambit" as opposed to "gamble" but that's a pretty fine distinction to make.
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Sep 25, 2012 16:47
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It should be interesting to see what lawsuits come out of that site. Kickstarters are pretty well protected, but - if you're an actual investor? That is a very, very different thing. ... also, this isn't gaming, but some people are working on a thing to fix website Terms Of Service. Crowd sourced boiling down of TOSs into a paragraph plain english and a few ratings. It touches on gaming by virtue of how many games have giant EULAs/TOSs that no one ever reads - and as games are increasingly online, it opens the door to lots of data-sharing nastiness.
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Sep 25, 2012 17:49
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Bieeardo posted:I'm not sure what the intended portmanteau was, but I can't stop reading 'gambling' out of 'gambitious'. I'm leaning towards game/gaming + ambitious. Which is still horrible. But please succeed, I want more 3D Realms vaporware.
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Sep 25, 2012 17:58
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Kickstarter has, by the way, posted some common questions that's asked a lot. Like this one: Kickstarter announced that it's prohibiting product renderings in the Hardware and Product Design categories, but "rendering" can mean a lot of things. What does Kickstarter mean? To clarify, we mean photorealistic renderings of a product concept. Technical drawings, CAD designs, sketches, and other parts of the design process will continue to be allowed. Seeing the guts of the creative process is important. We love that stuff. However renderings that could be mistaken for finished products are prohibited. So as long you don't have a professional 3D max rendering (*cough*Like Ouya*cough*), you should be clear. Hopefully that also helps mutata from earlier on this page
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Sep 25, 2012 19:05
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I hope 3D Realms lists however many tens of millions they spent, of both their own money and their publisher's, to make DNF. "Now imagine what we can do without those nasty PUBLISHERS breathing down our necks!"
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Sep 25, 2012 19:11
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Well, obviously they might have it even easier to piss away money, when there aren't any evil publishers demanding "work disciplin", "progress" and "a functional game".
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Sep 25, 2012 19:18
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Iacen posted:Well, obviously they might have it even easier to piss away money, when there aren't any evil publishers demanding "work disciplin", "progress" and "a functional game". Literally none of that was demanded of them. The situation at 3D Realms was so hosed up. They had infinite latitude to do anything, to take as long as they want, and to piss away all the money for no progress.
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Sep 25, 2012 19:20
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Iacen posted:Kickstarter has, by the way, posted some common questions that's asked a lot. Eh, my project would rely on the pathos of showing a realistically rendered concept. The kind of people who are into designer products don't give a poo poo about CAD drawings, they want to see the shiny. Even Apple uses renders for their product shots; it's because that's what generates the emotional response in people that leads them to think "I need that even though it isn't necessary". Again, I agree that something that is more of a DEVICE like that phone watch or the Ouya should have working prototypes to back it up, but for something that is a THING like a toy or case or drinking glass, it's just a stupid, arbitrary rule. mutata fucked around with this message at 20:50 on Sep 25, 2012 |
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Sep 25, 2012 19:20
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I would just ask them. You have a unique case, and I think it's likely they'd make an exception. They seem pretty reasonable.
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Sep 25, 2012 19:36
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I think the point is to prevent people from giving the impression (intentionally or no) that their thing has actually been made by posting photorealistic renderings without indicating them as such. They want to prevent people from presenting something as a finished product that just needs money for production, when it's actually still in the conceptual phase and may not even actually work as a real product.
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Sep 25, 2012 20:16
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They might be fine if you plaster CONCEPT RENDER all over it in big letters. E-mail, explain, see what they say.
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Sep 25, 2012 20:29
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Shalinor posted:It should be interesting to see what lawsuits come out of that site. Kickstarters are pretty well protected, but - if you're an actual investor? That is a very, very different thing. That's actually a really good idea, but that link doesn't work. Try this one http://www.indiegogo.com/terms-of-service-didnt-read. Edit: Godamnit, thanks. vvvvvvvvv Shorter Than Some fucked around with this message at 08:52 on Sep 26, 2012 |
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Sep 25, 2012 23:53
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Shorter Than Some posted:That's actually a really good idea, but that link doesn't work. Try this one http://www.indiegogo.com/terms-of-service-didnt-read. That doesn't work either, you left a period in the url. Proper URL: http://www.indiegogo.com/terms-of-service-didnt-read
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Sep 26, 2012 00:58
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Have any of you guys actually used an iControlPad 1? How does it feel? How's the build quality? I ask here because there's a Kickstarter for iControlPad 2, and it looks neato. I like the idea of having a controller I can attach to my phone so I can use it like a PSP Go that also works with almost everything else, but if it's uncomfortable, gently caress it. 
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Sep 26, 2012 01:05
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The creator of Unforgotten Realms is planning a Kickstarter to fund an RPG based on it, to go up late October/early November. Robert Moran posted:Unforgotten Quest. Up to 4 player massive side scroller RPG. Take super Mario Brothers, Diablo, and the humour from Unforgotten Realms. Oh right and did I mention a complete and moddable level editor that requires no programming background to use? Kickstarter next month. I don't know how skilled he is technically, or if there's going to be a team involved or anything, but the show wasn't bad, so it could work out.
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mutata posted:Eh, my project would rely on the pathos of showing a realistically rendered concept. The kind of people who are into designer products don't give a poo poo about CAD drawings, they want to see the shiny. Even Apple uses renders for their product shots; it's because that's what generates the emotional response in people that leads them to think "I need that even though it isn't necessary". It just sounds like they don't want people to get confused that you have the ACUTAL PRODUCT in the render. You could put some text like -Computer Sketch of Concept- on the picture or something else that in no way could somebody mistake it as a product that phyiscally exists. I think you would be ok, but also add some pencil sketches in there as well to document 'the whole creative process'
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ohnoitschris posted:Have any of you guys actually used an iControlPad 1? How does it feel? How's the build quality?
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Sep 26, 2012 04:43
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Shalinor posted:... also, this isn't gaming, but some people are working on a thing to fix website Terms Of Service. Crowd sourced boiling down of TOSs into a paragraph plain english and a few ratings. It touches on gaming by virtue of how many games have giant EULAs/TOSs that no one ever reads - and as games are increasingly online, it opens the door to lots of data-sharing nastiness. That's a difficult one, as certain jurisdictions make you put certain things in your TOS, and if they mark people down for those, companies in those jurisdictions may get a lower mark for something they have no control over. Also, marking someone down for indemnifying themselves against claims made against your content or your account? That's like marking someone down for having any legal advice whatsoever! If you don't indemnify your company from such things and you have user content, you won't have a company for very long.
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Sep 26, 2012 09:27
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Infinitum posted:Sooooooooo 3D Realms are trying to get funding for a new game via a kickstarter style site called Gambitious. I also found that site via the improbable 3D Realms thing, but the idea behind the site is interesting. I was just wondering how serious it actually is? Have they had any successful projects yet, and have any SA members registered? It feels a bit odd that they'd want to use social site logins to access their site, but maybe that's to get people actually contributing faster? If it does work and isn't sketchy, I could actually get behind this.
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Sep 26, 2012 11:54
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Hakkesshu posted:That's cool, and I honestly kind of want one, but I'm pretty sure Doug Tennapel is a hardcore Tea Party supporter who opposes gay rights, and I really don't want to give him any money. What exactly is wrong with what he said? I mean, it's pretty dumb conversation, but it's kind of obvious he got kind of baited into it and the article kinda discourages boycotting his stuff, so... Uh, what is the issue besides he said something dumb? It doesn't strike me as particularly "hardcore".
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Sep 26, 2012 12:51
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Mordaedil posted:That's awfully extrapolating from a few comments made on a comic in a heated debate. The comic is missing and comment thread kind of gone with it, so I can't really read the full extent of it, but from what just GayGamer has posted there... That's just one example, and I actually didn't know about it until I searched for his name yesterday. The one I remember was a blog post where he decryed Democrat rallies because it wasn't safe to take your kids there unlike Tea Party rallies or some horseshit. Like I said, I don't want to start a thing, but this is far from the only time he's gone on a rant like that. And you really don't see something wrong with comparing gay marriage to a dude taking a poo poo in the ladies' room?
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evilmiera posted:I also found that site via the improbable 3D Realms thing, but the idea behind the site is interesting. I was just wondering how serious it actually is? Have they had any successful projects yet, and have any SA members registered? It feels a bit odd that they'd want to use social site logins to access their site, but maybe that's to get people actually contributing faster? If it does work and isn't sketchy, I could actually get behind this. On paper I really really like the concept behind Gambitious. Fans can chip in money towards development, investors get equity in the company. As Shalinor pointed out, it's going to be really interesting to see where investors stand from a legal point of view if things were to go pear shaped down the track. Unknown Worlds used this exact model years ago while they were trying to source funding for Natural Selection 2. Fans paid for a preorder copy, and they had several anonymous investors inject a substantial amount of capital into the project as well. They quite literally kickstarted a game before the term even existed, and are the perfect example of how a good relation with your fans can pay off when you really need it. Who the gently caress knows how this will work out these days though. 3D Realms might be an interesting case study for the site either way as I don't see them ever getting funded by fans alone, but Broussard might be able to
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Hakkesshu posted:That's just one example, and I actually didn't know about it until I searched for his name yesterday. The one I remember was a blog post where he decryed Democrat rallies because it wasn't safe to take your kids there unlike Tea Party rallies or some horseshit. Like I said, I don't want to start a thing, but this is far from the only time he's gone on a rant like that. I agree with you guys 100% that this guy is a piece of poo poo. However I think that if you are a fan of any of his works it would be a great book to have on your coffee table and you might be missing out on a really cool piece of video game history. Take Mel Gibson for example. These days he is a gigantic racist, homophobic, violent oval office of a human being with severe anger management issues that doesn't deserve to direct or act in a film ever again. But does that change the fact that most of his old films are loving awesome? Mad Max, Lethal Weapon, Gallipoli, Payback, Ransom, Braveheart? I know it's an absolutely piss-weak analogy, but you should back it if you want to own a book by the developer he once was and not the waste of air he currently is. And come on.. Earthworm Jim was loving cool.
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