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jivjov posted:Okay, I'm going to be the dumb one here, what's ADS? Google only gave me the crowd control heat ray thing, which is awesome but not what it means in the context of Borderlands. Aim-down-sights
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Someone mentioned ironsights being inaccurate on some pistols earlier and my friend who likes to use pistols also mentioned it as being a problem. Has gearbox said anything about it? Any chance of a patch fixing it? An example is the pistol you get from the sheriff that is supposed to be perfectly accurate and it is when zoomed but it actually hits not where the sight is pointing I think?
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Oct 10, 2012 19:51
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Synonamess Botch posted:ADS lowers your movement speed and I believe your aim speed as well. If you're close to an enemy, or if you're playing mobile (run & gun) or circle strafing etc there's no point in ADSing and may even be detrimental. If you like to play it safe and engage from a distance ADS is probably better. I would say I do it about 10% of the time but I play recklessly, Doom style. So it really depends on you. Ok, I just have to ask because it's been a few pages now. What does ADS stand for?  ^^yay, JivJov we think alike!! Dukeofdummies fucked around with this message at 21:20 on Oct 10, 2012 |
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Oct 10, 2012 19:57
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Dukeofdummies posted:Ok, I just have to ask because it's been a few pages now. Two posts above you.
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Oct 10, 2012 19:58
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Squibbles posted:Someone mentioned ironsights being inaccurate on some pistols earlier and my friend who likes to use pistols also mentioned it as being a problem. Has gearbox said anything about it? Any chance of a patch fixing it? It's not that that pistol is perfectly accurate, it's that it has no recoil, so firing rapidly will always hit roughly the same spot. That said, I have noticed that pistol ironsights, especially those of revolvers, tend to be fairly inaccurate.
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Synonamess Botch posted:ADS lowers your movement speed and I believe your aim speed as well. If you're close to an enemy, or if you're playing mobile (run & gun) or circle strafing etc there's no point in ADSing and may even be detrimental. If you like to play it safe and engage from a distance ADS is probably better. I would say I do it about 10% of the time but I play recklessly, Doom style. So it really depends on you. Depends, some guns have different mechanics when ADSing. I have this purp plasma gun thing that is so lovely, aim wise, that there is no other way to use it than aiming with it, (unless youre like 2 ft away from the mob). but its pretty badass because it loving destroys. some other guns have burst when aiming, and some just get more accurate the more you stare down the sights too. But youre right, it all comes down to play style. Mine is more of the snipe when walking in a camp, then clean up with a shotty, or one of the other close range weapons.
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Oct 10, 2012 19:59
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It's hard to judge where ironsighted weapons hit because the ironsights are so big. I've felt that there are inconsistencies, at least some hit above or at the tip of the sights, and not 'behind' the sights as they are supposed to. I like shooting from the hip with Jakobs revolvers for one because of this. Also, I feel that the recoil is easier to handle when you're in full view of the enemy. While aiming down the irons you hide portions of your target and that leads to me shooting over the enemy at the end of the shooting spree due to recoil. Can't even be sure about how many times you hit the target.
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Oct 10, 2012 19:59
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Really? My experience with Jacobs revolvers (Jacobs for life!) keeps the shots fairly accurate when iron sighting, even at a distance.
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Oct 10, 2012 20:00
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Its hard to tell regardless because there is no hit markers like in other shooters. And yeah, I agree some guns iron sights are way too loving huge. Some block like the entire mob depending how far away he is.
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Oct 10, 2012 20:01
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Also, some Jakobs revolvers have the moniker 'Trick Shot'. These won't hit at the crosshairs, even scoped. The point of aim is usually way off from center - I had one I tested that was 5 o'clock outside the center reticle surround on a scoped shot. These are often more trouble than they are worth and I vendor them.
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Oct 10, 2012 20:10
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I play Gunzerker so I don't need ironsights.  (Unless there is a way to aim down sights in gunzerk for DUAL SNIPER ANNIHILATION)
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Oct 10, 2012 20:14
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Zedd posted:I play Gunzerker so I don't need ironsights. Nah, just get Vladof rifles with 24 round mags and go hog wild.
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Oct 10, 2012 20:17
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So like a dummyface I figured since I was lvl 50 when the mission became available that the reward would be level 50 too and not set back to whenever. So the question becomes after TVHM there is absolutely no way to replace my Lvl 47 Order shield with a 50, yes? No one drop it or anything like the Sheriff of Lynch with the Law?
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Oct 10, 2012 20:18
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Zedd posted:I play Gunzerker so I don't need ironsights. I don't think I've ever even used a sniper on my Salvador. I got two vlad elemental spinguns (one slag, one shock) and poo poo just melts. Though I'm maining an SMG and shotgun because I run out of ammo so goddamn fast dualing two vlad ARs.
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Oct 10, 2012 20:20
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TacticalGranny posted:Also, some Jakobs revolvers have the moniker 'Trick Shot'. These won't hit at the crosshairs, even scoped. The point of aim is usually way off from center - I had one I tested that was 5 o'clock outside the center reticle surround on a scoped shot. These are often more trouble than they are worth and I vendor them.
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Commissar Ken posted:So like a dummyface I figured since I was lvl 50 when the mission became available that the reward would be level 50 too and not set back to whenever. So the question becomes after TVHM there is absolutely no way to replace my Lvl 47 Order shield with a 50, yes? I don't think so, no. Short of modifying the shield with an editor, I think you're SOL. Although, I can't imagine that the differences between a 47 and a 50 shield are tremendous, though. Insert name here posted:I've never had this problem with Trick Shot revolvers; the Trick Shot moniker causes the bullets to bounce and not some weird broken sights thing. I've never had issues with inaccurate weapons either. I'm starting to think that the general problem has to do with aspect ratios or resolutions or something equally crazy.
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Genocyber posted:It's not that that pistol is perfectly accurate, it's that it has no recoil, so firing rapidly will always hit roughly the same spot. That said, I have noticed that pistol ironsights, especially those of revolvers, tend to be fairly inaccurate. For that particular gun it's not a matter of it being perfectly accurate but a case of the bullets not hitting where the iron sights are pointing, I think they actually hit above them somewhere which makes it extremely difficult to get crits/headshots because the distance above the iron sight you have to account for varies with distance. For example if a guy is 10 feet away you might put the iron sight on his neck and the shot will hit the head. If he's 50 feet away you have to move the iron sight down to his chest for the bullet to hit the head. Whereas if the bullet hit the top of the sight like on most guns you could always just aim so half of his head is covered by the sight and you'd be able to get your crit without worrying about range. At least that's how I think it works? I'm more of a shotgunning gunzerker myself so I don't aim a whole lot.
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TheSpiritFox posted:I don't think I've ever even used a sniper on my Salvador. I got two vlad elemental spinguns (one slag, one shock) and poo poo just melts. Though I'm maining an SMG and shotgun because I run out of ammo so goddamn fast dualing two vlad ARs. Rocketlauncher for 2nd winds and sniper for long range. I have another great SMG but i go from max ammo to like 200 in one (extended) gunzerk so that didn't really work.
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Oct 10, 2012 20:27
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TheSpiritFox posted:I don't think I've ever even used a sniper on my Salvador. I got two vlad elemental spinguns (one slag, one shock) and poo poo just melts. Though I'm maining an SMG and shotgun because I run out of ammo so goddamn fast dualing two vlad ARs. I found a Vladof minigun sniper rifle that shoots shock bullets and gunzerking it with a slag shotgun has been really useful for me on TVHM.
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Oct 10, 2012 20:29
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Cream-of-Plenty posted:Although, I can't imagine that the differences between a 47 and a 50 shield are tremendous, though. The difference between a 46 and 50 bee was around 4k shield and 20k damage for me.
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Oct 10, 2012 20:31
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I like equipping slag snipers and pretending I am a TF2 sniper with the Sidney Sleeper, or Piss-sniper, for those more familar  I got a nice Dhal E-tech Slag railgun, when I get my firerate boosts up all 5ish bullets wind up hitting the same spot despite the recoil, and before that I aim slightly below critpoints so the rest of the bullets hit on the way up.
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padijun posted:The difference between a 46 and 50 bee was around 4k shield and 20k damage for me. Hmmm...I don't know about Law + Order, but a 4k shield difference in TVHM is peanuts. At level 50, that Geary dickhead (Eridium Blight) throws punches for like 13k shield damage. 20k amp damage on the other hand, that's pretty significant. I wonder what the roid damage difference is between 47 and 50 for Order.
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Cream-of-Plenty posted:I don't think so, no. Short of modifying the shield with an editor, I think you're SOL. Although, I can't imagine that the differences between a 47 and a 50 shield are tremendous, though. Ehh maybe, maybe not. The difference between a lvl 47 Law and a lvl 50 Law I farmed up was 3000 or so points of damage per shot. Just my OCD kicking away. Heh. Cream-of-Plenty posted:I wonder what the roid damage difference is between 47 and 50 for Order. Aaaand that's what i'm really wondering too.
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Commissar Ken posted:So like a dummyface I figured since I was lvl 50 when the mission became available that the reward would be level 50 too and not set back to whenever. So the question becomes after TVHM there is absolutely no way to replace my Lvl 47 Order shield with a 50, yes? I think leveling another character to 50 and doing the quest on TVHM with it is the only option.
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Zedd posted:I think leveling another character to 50 and doing the quest on TVHM with it is the only option. I was afraid of that. Pretty sure jumping in someone's game who hasn't finished it will give me a "you already got this, dumbass" line. Suppose i'll have to find someone to trade or run another game.
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Zedd posted:
I actually did this somehow, I think it had to do with Aiming as soon as I activated gunzerking. You have to switch weapons to get out of ADS and you aim from your right handed gun. It was actually aimed, I dunno if my left handed gun was, took like 20 seconds to even realize I had it out and it was actually shooting. Gunzerking + ADS is really confusing though, I wasn't expecting it and it really only hindered me (almost died actually), but I have a feeling its because you can't UN-aim. I didn't know what the gently caress was happening and it wacked my perception.
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Why is the Mechromancer screaming like she's getting a cactus up her butt everytime she takes elemental damage or when she is meleeing? My roomates are starting to think I'm into torture porn.
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Athropos posted:Why is the Mechromancer screaming like she's getting a cactus up her butt everytime she takes elemental damage or when she is meleeing? My roomates are starting to think I'm into torture porn. Gaige is the new Rochelle. Its so irritating.
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Hey Gibbed, how's that editor comin' along? We gonna see a compiled version maybe in the near future?
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Eriic posted:Does anybody know if lowbie items leveled to 50 using an item-leveling script are identical to items rolled naturally at level 50? I really don't like avoiding all the side-quests until P2.5, so I'm hoping I can just use a script to level the rewards without ending up with gimped items. Seems like it, but the scaling completely flies off the handle in the high 40s range so it's hard to be sure. Damage shoots up by thousands every two levels or so. I've been stepping up a pair of matching plasma casters alongside my level and everything looks fine.
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Irish Taxi Driver posted:Gaige is the new Rochelle. Its so irritating. 
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Genocyber posted:It's not that that pistol is perfectly accurate, it's that it has no recoil, so firing rapidly will always hit roughly the same spot. That said, I have noticed that pistol ironsights, especially those of revolvers, tend to be fairly inaccurate. The problem with some of the iron sights is that they are mis-aligned. It seems to be mostly a problem with the blade-and-notch type sights. Here is a link to some website with a picture of this type of iron sight the way they are presented in borderlands. This is wrong, and if you actually tried to aim a pistol this way you would end up shooting at the sky instead of your target. Now, Here here is a link some forum post that has an illustration of what your sight picture is supposed to look like if you want to actually hit anything. The front blade is supposed to be even with the two rear posts, and the point of impact should be where the top of the front blade is when they are oriented properly. When the sights are presented like they are in the game, it's hard to tell where exactly the point of impact is supposed to be.
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EEAAAARRRRAAAAAAEEERRRRGGGGHHHHH!!!!!
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Is there a way to cheat yourself backpack SDUs? This is the second time I haven't gotten my third SDU from Roland's quest.
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Zedd posted:You mean she has a spammable laugh that I really enjoy and pubbies absolutely hate? Kill Gaige, take her Irish Taxi Driver fucked around with this message at 21:17 on Oct 10, 2012 |
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Don't suppose anyone has a save yet for a Mechromancer at the start of Playthrough 2?
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Vanderdeath posted:Is there a way to cheat yourself backpack SDUs? This is the second time I haven't gotten my third SDU from Roland's quest. I believe at least one of the cheat engine tables includes a script to fix this. Maybe this one?
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Cream-of-Plenty posted:Hmmm...I don't know about Law + Order, but a 4k shield difference in TVHM is peanuts. At level 50, that Geary dickhead (Eridium Blight) throws punches for like 13k shield damage. 20k amp damage on the other hand, that's pretty significant. I wonder what the roid damage difference is between 47 and 50 for Order. Well that's 4k shields on the Bee... it was a jump from 12k to 16k.
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Athropos posted:Why is the Mechromancer screaming like she's getting a cactus up her butt everytime she takes elemental damage or when she is meleeing? My roomates are starting to think I'm into torture porn. For someone who cut off her own arm with a particle saw so she could summon a giant death robot, she sure is a big whiny baby about being set on fire.
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Pollyanna posted:EEAAAARRRRAAAAAAEEERRRRGGGGHHHHH!!!!! Ok in her defense, she IS on fire.
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