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Wow, its almost like all of those things are significantly cheaper than individual health insurance. Edit: ^^^^Also this.
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Dec 8, 2012 21:50
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Polymerized Cum posted:Any emergency physician who takes even a glance at their patient's method of payment before examining them is human trash. I've worked in an ER before and there was never a way for the ER docs to look at the method of payment until after the fact.
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Dec 8, 2012 22:36
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BonoMan posted:I've worked in an ER before and there was never a way for the ER docs to look at the method of payment until after the fact. Au contraire, this https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wguJKz2md3Y 
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Dec 8, 2012 22:40
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The most frustrating part of that, to me, is the moronic idea that because this douchebag happened to not fail out of medical school he's somehow an expert in public health policy, a fact that is manifestly untrue. I say this as a current US medical student.
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Dec 8, 2012 22:47
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andrew smash posted:The most frustrating part of that, to me, is the moronic idea that because this douchebag happened to not fail out of medical school he's somehow an expert in public health policy, a fact that is manifestly untrue. I say this as a current US medical student. You just haven't been out in the real doctor world with real doctor responsibilities. You'll understand when you're doctor older.
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Dec 8, 2012 23:14
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Thing is, a guy like that has to have seen people without insurance that he felt should get care. Remind him that a lot of people feel that there are some people that don't deserve care due to stupid life choices, but the whole idea is that more people do need care, and it is far more efficient to give everyone care and be done with it than trying to integrate juries into the system. If he works in an emergency room and doesn't feel that there are people without insurance that need aid then I would write him off as a psychopath. Seriously.
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Dec 8, 2012 23:38
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Thank you all for the links! I had no idea just how bad Romney's ground game was. I'm compiling a point-by-point rebuttal now and fighting the urge to reply with an ascii middle-finger. There's a lot of poo poo to go through. I hope he doesn't dismiss the sources as "biased", but he listens to Alex Jones so...probably.  Fake edit: I'd love to have him on but I wouldn't even know how to ask. I'm sure he has wonderful opinions on the Civil Rights Act since he's also a Ron Paul fan. 
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Dec 9, 2012 00:00
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Amused to Death posted:e: The part about who wrote it is true. It doesn't mean it really happened as described. Also, I think its really old, like from the 90's?
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Dec 9, 2012 00:48
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Polymerized Cum posted:Any emergency physician who takes even a glance at their patient's method of payment before examining them is human trash. This, also I like the 'popular R&B ringtone' and 'beer and chips' listed as luxuries. Goddamn if you just didn't spend that five bucks on a six pack and a pack of snacks you'd have healthcare you stupid poor.
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Dec 9, 2012 01:10
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CELLULAR phone. She had a CELLULAR phone. You know, like rich guys have in their cars in the movies! Probably has a refrigerator, too.
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Dec 9, 2012 02:04
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Give that one a little time, it needs a few more additions tacked on to the end like "If you don't like it delete and move on" and video links to black teens beating a white child on Hannity.
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Dec 9, 2012 02:23
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There must seriously be some sort of common mental illness that makes People type like This.Dr. Emale Forward Whitehood-Burning-Cross posted:During my shift in the Emergency Room last night, I had the pleasure of evaluating a patient whose smile revealed an expensive Shiny gold tooth, whose body was adorned with a wide assortment of elaborate and costly tattoos, who wore a very expensive Stop abusing proper nouns you rear end in a top hat.  The original doesn't have them so that means someone would have had to add them. I like to imagine someone hunt-and-peck retyped the entire thing so they could forward it, because copy and paste is socialist. Seat Safety Switch fucked around with this message at 04:14 on Dec 9, 2012 |
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Dec 9, 2012 04:08
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llama_arse posted:A normally very upbeat, cheerful, and apolitical nurse recently posted this little screed on Facebook: I wonder why anyone would go into emergency medicine who thought this way about poor patients on Medicaid. You would have to see a lot of patients like this in an emergency medicine career. And the business about the "R&B ringtone" and the gold tooth are supposed to provide you with the necessary clues about the race of the patient. See, it's kind of a fun game! Note that those details don't affect his lovely story and point at all but they are mysteriously there for some reason. All of the crap he's giving her a hard time about, her shoes, tattoos, CELLULAR PHONE, gold tooth etc. wouldn't make a dent in the cost of health care insurance on the private market.
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Dec 9, 2012 04:24
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A popular R&B ringtone?!? That must have cost at least 50 welfares.
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Dec 9, 2012 04:27
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Your Gay Uncle posted:A popular R&B ringtone?!? That must have cost at least 50 welfares. The email is old enough to be from the era a 4 years ago when custom ringtones cost money and actually had a decent industry surrounding it. Man that died quickly.
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Dec 9, 2012 05:39
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So, he's from Pontotoc, an extremely poor, former slave town, with a few extremely rich white people who own all the farmland, and he went to Ole Miss. Yeah, I know about a dozen people exactly like him. I poo poo you not when I say I know freshman at Ole Miss who don't sign up for classes on Fridays because they have to drive back to Jackson on the weekend to run their farm that their parents gave them at 18. And because it's demanding work, they think they earned it. It says he works in Jackson. Jackson is incredibly segregated, so I'm going to assume if seeing a black person with the temerity to be on Medicaid is shocking, he must work at one of the hospitals in Madison, the ultra white suburb north of Jackson, or the only slightly less racially homogeneous Brandon on the east side of Jackson. There are parts of Jackson that are literally 100% black, by Census data, so I'm going to assume he doesn't work at one of the hospitals in those areas. The privileged rear end in a top hat.
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Dec 9, 2012 07:20
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Are expensive running shoes even a thing anymore? And was it ever a thing for black women?
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Dec 9, 2012 07:41
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BonoMan posted:I've worked in an ER before and there was never a way for the ER docs to look at the method of payment until after the fact. Not just that there's not a way to do so, but rather that there's no reason to do so. I can't think of a reason an ER doc would ever even look at that information in the first place. They are almost always hospital employees and as such have no use in dealing with anything other than actual medical problems. Hospitals have entire billing departments and administrative staffs to deal with that poo poo, as opposed to physicians in private practice who would likely care what payment methods patients have available to them. I'm aware that there is abuse of the system, but this particular case seems to be "poo poo-that-didn't-happen.txt." More importantly, how loving stupid does the author have to be to blame "the president" because he's "expected to pay for this woman's health care?" Last time I checked, Medicaid has been around since 1965, it has absolutely nothing to do with the PPACA, so his bone to pick is with LBJ, not Obama.
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Dec 9, 2012 08:52
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XyloJW posted:I poo poo you not when I say I know freshman at Ole Miss who don't sign up for classes on Fridays because they have to drive back to Jackson on the weekend to run their farm that their parents gave them at 18. And because it's demanding work, they think they earned it. Sounds kind of like fishing families in Alaska.
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Dec 9, 2012 11:21
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Armyman25 posted:Are expensive running shoes even a thing anymore? And was it ever a thing for black women? Spending a little more money and buying actually good shoes was one of the best things I ever did. It's easy to complain about people's shoes if you didn't have to spend your life buying the absolute cheapest ones possible.
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Dec 9, 2012 13:30
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According to the stuff in the Snopes article, the STARNER JONES M.D. guy who wrote the letter works, or at least worked, at the University of Mississippi Medical Center, a university teaching hospital, making the screed even more mind boggling. University teaching hospitals have as a primary mission taking care of poor and indigent patients who usually make up a huge portion of the patients. Those patients get free or cheap care in exchange for allowing residents, interns and medical students to get on the job training caring for them. So not only is this guy at a hospital where he no doubt loathes like 80 percent of the patients if he thinks this way, but he gets to influence medical students and residents with his lovely attitude.
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Dec 9, 2012 14:51
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I wonder what he would have thought of my friend who wound up in the UoM Medical Center, who was a stripper with fake boobs, a CELLULAR phone, a car, and a refrigerator, who had Medicaid, who DIED OF loving CANCER. Honestly who cares what a doctor thinks about the source of funding for someone's healing. In fact I think I do care, as any doctor who gives a poo poo about that is not a true healer.
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Dec 9, 2012 15:23
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Oddly enough I never receive political e-mail forwards from my family, mainly just cute animal pictures. But I've got Facebook friends that spam cheap, political images almost as much as George Takei. They're retired military, so any sort of response is summarily dismissed, since they've been in the service 20+ years and therefore know what they are talking about.    Is there a term for having ideals and morals so simple and not well thought-out/fleshed out, that they fit on a bumper sticker?
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Dec 9, 2012 18:19
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Wang_Tang posted:Is there a term for having ideals and morals so simple and not well thought-out/fleshed out, that they fit on a bumper sticker? Dumb? That liberal toilet one is really, really stupid. "It's easier than thinking!!! Legalized looting!"
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Dec 9, 2012 18:24
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This one is kind of trying too hard. Tries to cram too many slogans in. By the time you get to the last one you kind of forget why you were there in the first place.
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Dec 9, 2012 18:29
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Raising the minimum does not mean it's still not the minimum. It's premise argues the existence of the minimum wage, it's reasons argue against people who work for the minimum wage, and it's conclusion seems to be that the minimum wage shouldn't be raised. Not one part of this meshes with the other.
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Dec 9, 2012 18:48
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Wang_Tang posted:
Concision? Noam Chomsky talks about that a bit, the reason that discourse is so bad sometimes is that TV producers don't want to put on a person who can't express their viewpoint in highly condensed form.
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Dec 9, 2012 19:14
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XyloJW posted:Raising the minimum does not mean it's still not the minimum. Not to mention implying that someone is necessarily "minimum" at any of those things just because they're paid minimum is total horseshit. But hey in a true free market someone would be paid more for more work, it's obvious.
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Dec 9, 2012 19:17
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If someone meets or exceeds a minimum standard for skill, education, motivation, and contribution to the workplace, why shouldn't the get paid enough to meet or exceed minimum standards for housing, living expenses, health care and retirement?
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Dec 9, 2012 19:22
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This is interesting logic, given that I have a Bachelor's degree, continually do more than asked at my job including actually offering to go to the hospital with a student's family so she would not be alone and scared during chemotherapy, and was nominated for a teaching award. I also make minimum wage (or did at the time, now only slightly more than that). This logic that people will just automatically pay people what they deserve instead of businesses doing what they can to get out of paying employees is hilarious. Where did they get such a positive view of the human condition when it comes to the work place? We had to have unions for a reason..because when money is involved, people have a capacity to be selfish. It is intensely naive to believe that humans on the whole are objective beings.
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Dec 9, 2012 19:50
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Hastings posted:This is interesting logic, given that I have a Bachelor's degree, continually do more than asked at my job including actually offering to go to the hospital with a student's family so she would not be alone and scared during chemotherapy, and was nominated for a teaching award. I also make minimum wage (or did at the time, now only slightly more than that). This logic that people will just automatically pay people what they deserve instead of businesses doing what they can to get out of paying employees is hilarious. Where did they get such a positive view of the human condition when it comes to the work place? We had to have unions for a reason..because when money is involved, people have a capacity to be selfish. It is intensely naive to believe that humans on the whole are objective beings. It's a dumb view, but a common one. If someone is an rear end in a top hat to you, you deserve it.
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Dec 9, 2012 19:56
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Dr. Arbitrary posted:If someone meets or exceeds a minimum standard for skill, education, motivation, and contribution to the workplace, why shouldn't the get paid enough to meet or exceed minimum standards for housing, living expenses, health care and retirement? If those lazy leeches just worked a little harder, they would be able to make their lives better. How are they suppose to do that without the hunger pains of motivation stabbing at their stomach?
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Dec 9, 2012 20:36
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Stuff about the economy, Benghazi, etc doesn't usually grind my gears. Such arguments can be dismantled quite quickly just by asking for more information or clarification. What really gets me, and quite frankly sometimes scares me, are the sovereign citizen-type movements. It amazes me how frank followers are about their support of those movements. Even active-duty military will often post such images or screeds on their walls. I can understand the reasoning behind the so-called "Oath Keepers," expressing their unwillingness to not engage in violence/harm against US citizens. But where were these guys during the Battle of Blair Mountain or Kent State? What is with the blind obsession with the constitution?
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Dec 9, 2012 20:50
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Guardians of The Republic  If one thing hasn't changed since the Roman Republic it's that assholes will continue to use protection of The Republic to justify being assholes. quote:What is with the blind obsession with the constitution? Correction: blind obsession with whatever they believe the constitution says http://www.theonion.com/articles/area-man-passionate-defender-of-what-he-imagines-c,2849/
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Dec 9, 2012 21:00
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Wang_Tang posted:Oddly enough I never receive political e-mail forwards from my family, mainly just cute animal pictures. But I've got Facebook friends that spam cheap, political images almost as much as George Takei. They're retired military, so any sort of response is summarily dismissed, since they've been in the service 20+ years and therefore know what they are talking about. "Obama said people should go to college. What an elitist snob! By the way, if you didn't go to college, you don't deserve food and medicine."
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Dec 9, 2012 22:34
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Oh, I've got a good one that showed up on my news feed. I have a Hong Kong guy on my friends list who lists his political views as "Anti-Communism" and posted that Reagan Bombs Libya gently caress You poster from a while back (he has never even been to the US as far as I know). This showed up today in my news feed:  I thought, "Good! Sikhs are badass, they can wear melons on their heads if they want." I then clicked the Daily Mail link for "this iz ENGALAAND, if the pakis don't like it they can SOD OFF" goodness. Then this showed up:  The guy would rather see the Scots Greys disband rather than attract new recruits from minorities. Well, at least it finally gave me the impetus to block all his posts.
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Dec 9, 2012 22:51
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Wang_Tang posted:I can understand the reasoning behind the so-called "Oath Keepers," expressing their unwillingness to not engage in violence/harm against US citizens. But where were these guys during the Battle of Blair Mountain or Kent State? What is with the blind obsession with the constitution? Those were obviously self-defence against filthy communists looking to destroy 'Murrica. (No, seriously, that's what they say about Kent State at least)
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Dec 9, 2012 22:52
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llama_arse posted:A normally very upbeat, cheerful, and apolitical nurse recently posted this little screed on Facebook: D&D has helped me identify lovely people on my FB list. I know a guy who has posted this and become irritated at anyone for calling it racist. Because if you don't say the n-word, it's not racist. This guy even pulled the, "I have African-American friends" line to defend himself. Also, he works as an EMT around DC.
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Mitchicon posted:D&D has helped me identify lovely people on my FB list. I know a guy who has posted this and become irritated at anyone for calling it racist. Because if you don't say the n-word, it's not racist. This guy even pulled the, "I have African-American friends" line to defend himself. Also, he works as an EMT around DC. I think part of the problem with racist EMTs, cops, firefighters, and other emergency personnel is that their jobs specifically revolve around working with people when they are at their absolute worsts (e.g. accused or victim of a crime, sick or injured enough to be rushed to the hospital by ambulance, having just lost their homes to fire, etc.), so they mostly see people who are very angry, upset, irrational, and extremes of pretty much every other negative emotion. For people who live in racially and ethnically homogenous areas, if their only contact with other racial ethnic groups is at work when they see people in dire circumstances, they internalize those encounters and start to view those extreme circumstances as representative of those groups as a whole and during normal daily life. So, the cop who lives in a lily white neighborhood generally only sees black people when they have been accused of crimes, so he starts to view black people as inherently criminal and of ill repute. I'm not saying this is the only reason people in these kinds of jobs can be bigoted, but it definitely provides a psychological framework to explain why someone could become explicitly and outwardly racist after experiencing one of these jobs for a while.
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